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Reply #30 posted 09/06/07 6:26pm

sassybritches

laurarichardson said:

sassybritches said:


i don't even know what that face is about. lol

ask almost any performing musician on this board if they would like to work with blackwell, scott, wendy, lisa, or any other prince related band member (excluding tommy barbarella and tony m) and they will tell you yes.

y'all are only treating justin differently because of who he is. period and you know it.

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We are treating him different because he is ripping P off big time. Great to be influnenced by other artist but, get an original idea.

Justin can't even come up with his own concept for his tour.

most can't, including prince. that's why they hire set designers and tour directors, etc.
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Reply #31 posted 09/06/07 7:47pm

P2daP

I think people are angry that he's using ex-memeber of Prince's band, becasue they dont like the type of PERSON Justin Timberlkae is, it's just another reason to hate him. That's why it bugs me, becasue he's a self-centered annoying asshole.
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Reply #32 posted 09/06/07 7:56pm

sassybritches

P2daP said:

I think people are angry that he's using ex-memeber of Prince's band, becasue they dont like the type of PERSON Justin Timberlkae is, it's just another reason to hate him. That's why it bugs me, becasue he's a self-centered annoying asshole.

and prince isn't? lol don't get me wrong, prince has mad talent but he's the epitome of self centered and egotistical. i don't think talent gives you a license to be that way.
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Reply #33 posted 09/06/07 7:59pm

P2daP

sassybritches said:

P2daP said:

I think people are angry that he's using ex-memeber of Prince's band, becasue they dont like the type of PERSON Justin Timberlkae is, it's just another reason to hate him. That's why it bugs me, becasue he's a self-centered annoying asshole.

and prince isn't? lol don't get me wrong, prince has mad talent but he's the epitome of self centered and egotistical. i don't think talent gives you a license to be that way.



Yes, but he hasn't spat on his fans. He hasn't aired his ex's girlfriend's dirty laundry out for the world to see. He doesnt go around dissing the people who he's been inspired by.
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Reply #34 posted 09/06/07 8:05pm

sassybritches

P2daP said:

sassybritches said:


and prince isn't? lol don't get me wrong, prince has mad talent but he's the epitome of self centered and egotistical. i don't think talent gives you a license to be that way.



Yes, but he hasn't spat on his fans. He hasn't aired his ex's girlfriend's dirty laundry out for the world to see. He doesnt go around dissing the people who he's been inspired by.
[Edited 9/6/07 19:59pm]

prince has treated his fans like idiots time and time again. how long does justin make his fans wait before coming on stage after the scheduled time?

i met prince at his record release party at the fontaine bleu in miami back in 1999. his rave record was playing on repeat while he sat behind a black curtain. mind you, this was an industry event and not a public thing. later in the evening i spoke with him and larry. larry was very friendly and "normal" while prince was a total fool. when i told him i liked his record, his response was "you should pick up a copy." eek not "thanks," not "glad you like it." no, just "you should pick up a copy."

the point is, prince has a history of being rude to people and totally inconsiderate.

as for dirty laundry...wasn't it prince who all but forced his fans to deal with HIS record company problems? he handled his business very publicly and turned a lot of people off in the process.

dissing people? prince disses people left and right. just because he doesn't diss his friends or inspirations doesn't make it ok to dis others.
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Reply #35 posted 09/07/07 6:56am

SoulAlive

"when I told Prince I liked his record,his response was "You should pick up a copy"


falloff that is sooooo Prince,isn't it? lol


Reminds of the incident during the Emancipation period.A fan saw him at a nightclub and said "I really like your new album".Prince replied "And your point would be what?"


If I ever meet Prince,I'm not gonna give him any compliments.I'm afraid of the sarcastic response he might give boxed
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Reply #36 posted 09/07/07 8:12am

DarlinLaurie

MikeMatronik said:

JT sucks because he is white



Wow what an ignorant comment.

After watching the HBO concert increased my appreciation for Justin's cd. The songs are much better live.
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Reply #37 posted 09/07/07 10:29am

MikeMatronik

DarlinLaurie said:

MikeMatronik said:

JT sucks because he is white



Wow what an ignorant comment.

After watching the HBO concert increased my appreciation for Justin's cd. The songs are much better live.


Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.
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Reply #38 posted 09/07/07 12:46pm

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MikeMatronik said:

DarlinLaurie said:




Wow what an ignorant comment.

After watching the HBO concert increased my appreciation for Justin's cd. The songs are much better live.


Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.


I'm NOT a JT fan...not because he's white. I'm not a fan of his because he's OVERRATED and has created NOTHING. I grew up on Barry White, Al Green, Isaac Hayes, Prince, Bootsy, Larry Graham, James Brown, Marvin Gaye and so many others that actually ORIGINATED things. Inspiration is one thing, but his music is a soulless and shallow attempt at being soulful. We all know that there are many more talented MUSICIANS/Singers out there who don't have the "marketable" look that he does.
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Reply #39 posted 09/07/07 12:57pm

Empress

MikeMatronik said:

DarlinLaurie said:




Wow what an ignorant comment.

After watching the HBO concert increased my appreciation for Justin's cd. The songs are much better live.


Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.


You got that right Mike.

Most people here hate JT because he is white and because of tittiegate. No one wants to make Janet take any responsibilty - but that's a whole other thread.

I'm not a fan of JT, but it's clear to me that people here bash him because he's white. Sure, he rips off many artists but don't most rip off someone else?
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Reply #40 posted 09/07/07 1:45pm

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Many artists take something from an influence, but BRING SOMETHING OF THEIR OWN!!
Michael Jackson, Prince, & others borrowed from James brown & so many others but put their own stamp on the music...JT can't do that because his stuff is sampled soulless garbage for the most part.
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Reply #41 posted 09/07/07 2:23pm

sassybritches

PAPAROBBIE said:

MikeMatronik said:



Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.


I'm NOT a JT fan...not because he's white. I'm not a fan of his because he's OVERRATED and has created NOTHING. I grew up on Barry White, Al Green, Isaac Hayes, Prince, Bootsy, Larry Graham, James Brown, Marvin Gaye and so many others that actually ORIGINATED things. Inspiration is one thing, but his music is a soulless and shallow attempt at being soulful. We all know that there are many more talented MUSICIANS/Singers out there who don't have the "marketable" look that he does.

hmmm...it's only interesting that every artist you mentioned happens to not be white.
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Reply #42 posted 09/07/07 2:45pm

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sassybritches said:

PAPAROBBIE said:



I'm NOT a JT fan...not because he's white. I'm not a fan of his because he's OVERRATED and has created NOTHING. I grew up on Barry White, Al Green, Isaac Hayes, Prince, Bootsy, Larry Graham, James Brown, Marvin Gaye and so many others that actually ORIGINATED things. Inspiration is one thing, but his music is a soulless and shallow attempt at being soulful. We all know that there are many more talented MUSICIANS/Singers out there who don't have the "marketable" look that he does.

hmmm...it's only interesting that every artist you mentioned happens to not be white.


Give me a list of some white soul/ R&B pioneers & I'll list them.
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Reply #43 posted 09/07/07 3:22pm

sassybritches

PAPAROBBIE said:

sassybritches said:


hmmm...it's only interesting that every artist you mentioned happens to not be white.


Give me a list of some white soul/ R&B pioneers & I'll list them.

define "pioneer" because a few names come to mind immediately but whether they were pioneers is subjective to your definition.

john lennon introduced soul stylings to the beatles who then put their own spin on soul/rock combo. david bowie's "young americans" is incredibly soulful and mixed soul and rock in a very unique way, not mention gave luther his start. dusty springfield was a big door opener for soul music in the uk. janis joplin was pretty much a soul singer and certainly left her mark in music history.

but again, i suppose it would depend on what you consider "pioneering" to be.
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Reply #44 posted 09/07/07 4:22pm

rebelsoldier

MikeMatronik said:

DarlinLaurie said:




Wow what an ignorant comment.

After watching the HBO concert increased my appreciation for Justin's cd. The songs are much better live.


Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.


Can you explain? I hate JT and Robin Thicke but I love Lewis Taylor and Teena Marie. That's because there are much more talented folks around yeah mostly black doing this RNB thing better than those two clowns and yet get no love whatsoever. Yeah race has a lot to do with it but not racist agendas.
I don't have anything against JT for using Blackwell in fact I'm happy that the brotha is making a good living.
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Reply #45 posted 09/07/07 4:42pm

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sassybritches said:

PAPAROBBIE said:



Give me a list of some white soul/ R&B pioneers & I'll list them.

define "pioneer" because a few names come to mind immediately but whether they were pioneers is subjective to your definition.

john lennon introduced soul stylings to the beatles who then put their own spin on soul/rock combo. david bowie's "young americans" is incredibly soulful and mixed soul and rock in a very unique way, not mention gave luther his start. dusty springfield was a big door opener for soul music in the uk. janis joplin was pretty much a soul singer and certainly left her mark in music history.

but again, i suppose it would depend on what you consider "pioneering" to be.

Every last person that you named grew up listening to Black performers and were influenced by them.Just because some white guys introduced a style (that they didn't create themselves) to the masses doesn't make them pioneers. Lennon & Bowie are rock pioneers I suppose, but did NOTHING to lay the groundwork for RHYTHM & BLUES/SOUL or BLUES Who do you think influenced John Lennon, David Bowie, and Janis Joplin? Come on now...


Bessie Smith's influence on Janis Joplin is well noted. According to biographer Ellis Amburn, Joplin claimed that she had wanted to become a blues singer ever since Grant Lyons, a high-school friend, had loaned her records by Smith and Leadbelly (Amburn 22). Powell St. John--also a Texas friend, who wrote "Bye, Bye Baby"--recalls how shocked he was to hear Janis "singing like Bessie Smith, absolutely authentic" (Echols 114). In an early review of Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company, written by Ed Denson for The Berkeley Barb, Denson refers to Joplin as a "blues wailer working material from Shirley & Lee back to Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith, with the ability to scream and throw her body into the music" (Joplin 171). Joplin herself, referring to Smith, said: "She showed me the air and taught me how to fill it" (Amburn 22).
Here's the tracklisting from John Lennon's Jukebox CD set (songs/artists that influenced him)..There are a few white artists in there...but they're seriously outnumbered...I'm just sayin'
Disc one

1. "In the Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
2. "Rescue Me" by Fontella Bass
3. "The Tracks of My Tears" by Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
4. "My Girl" by Otis Redding
5. "1, 2, 3" by Len Barry
6. "Hi-Heel Sneakers" by Tommy Tucker
7. "The Walk" by Jimmy McCracklin
8. "Gonna Send You Back to Georgia" by Timmy Shaw
9. "First I Look at the Purse" by The Contours
10. "New Orleans" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker
12. "Daddy Rollin' Stone" by Derek Martin
13. "Short Fat Fannie" by Larry Williams
14. "Long Tall Sally" by Little Richard
15. "Money (That's What I Want)" by Barrett Strong
16. "Hey! Baby" by Bruce Channel
17. "Positively 4th Street" by Bob Dylan
18. "Daydream" by The Lovin' Spoonful
19. "Turquoise" by Donovan
20. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Buddy Holly

Disc two

1. "Be-Bop-A-Lula" by Gene Vincent
2. "No Particular Place to Go" by Chuck Berry
3. "Steppin' Out" by Paul Revere & the Raiders
4. "Do You Believe in Magic" by The Lovin' Spoonful
5. "Some Other Guy" by The Big Three*
6. "Twist and Shout" by The Isley Brothers
7. "She Said, Yeah" by Larry Williams
8. "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" by Buddy Holly
9. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Little Richard
10. "Quarter to Three" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Ooh! My Soul" by Little Richard
12. "Woman Love" by Gene Vincent
13. "Shop Around" by The Miracles
14. "Bring It on Home to Me" by The Animals
15. "If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody" by James Ray with the Hutch Davie Orchestra
16. "What's So Good About Goodbye" by The Miracles
17. "Bad Boy" by Larry Williams
18. "Agent Double-O Soul" by Edwin Starr
19. "I've Been Good to You" by The Miracles
20. "Oh I Apologize" by Barrett Strong
21. "Who's Lovin' You" by The Miracles


pi·o·neer (pī'ə-nîr') pronunciation
n.

1. One who ventures into unknown or unclaimed territory to settle.
2. One who opens up new areas of thought, research, or development.
3.One who goes before, as into the wilderness, preparing the way for others to follow; as, pioneers of civilization; pioneers of reform.



Go listen to...
Howlin' Wolf
Muddy Waters
Leadbelly
Sam Cooke
Wilson Pickett
Sam & Dave
Koko Taylor
Bessie Smith
Billie Holiday
Johnnie Taylor
[Edited 9/7/07 16:47pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 16:55pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 17:04pm]
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Reply #46 posted 09/07/07 5:20pm

sassybritches

PAPAROBBIE said:

sassybritches said:


define "pioneer" because a few names come to mind immediately but whether they were pioneers is subjective to your definition.

john lennon introduced soul stylings to the beatles who then put their own spin on soul/rock combo. david bowie's "young americans" is incredibly soulful and mixed soul and rock in a very unique way, not mention gave luther his start. dusty springfield was a big door opener for soul music in the uk. janis joplin was pretty much a soul singer and certainly left her mark in music history.

but again, i suppose it would depend on what you consider "pioneering" to be.

Every last person that you named grew up listening to Black performers and were influenced by them.Just because some white guys introduced a style (that they didn't create themselves) to the masses doesn't make them pioneers. Lennon & Bowie are rock pioneers I suppose, but did NOTHING to lay the groundwork for RHYTHM & BLUES/SOUL or BLUES Who do you think influenced John Lennon, David Bowie, and Janis Joplin? Come on now...


Bessie Smith's influence on Janis Joplin is well noted. According to biographer Ellis Amburn, Joplin claimed that she had wanted to become a blues singer ever since Grant Lyons, a high-school friend, had loaned her records by Smith and Leadbelly (Amburn 22). Powell St. John--also a Texas friend, who wrote "Bye, Bye Baby"--recalls how shocked he was to hear Janis "singing like Bessie Smith, absolutely authentic" (Echols 114). In an early review of Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company, written by Ed Denson for The Berkeley Barb, Denson refers to Joplin as a "blues wailer working material from Shirley & Lee back to Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith, with the ability to scream and throw her body into the music" (Joplin 171). Joplin herself, referring to Smith, said: "She showed me the air and taught me how to fill it" (Amburn 22).
Here's the tracklisting from John Lennon's Jukebox CD set (songs/artists that influenced him)..There are a few white artists in there...but they're seriously outnumbered...I'm just sayin'
Disc one

1. "In the Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
2. "Rescue Me" by Fontella Bass
3. "The Tracks of My Tears" by Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
4. "My Girl" by Otis Redding
5. "1, 2, 3" by Len Barry
6. "Hi-Heel Sneakers" by Tommy Tucker
7. "The Walk" by Jimmy McCracklin
8. "Gonna Send You Back to Georgia" by Timmy Shaw
9. "First I Look at the Purse" by The Contours
10. "New Orleans" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker
12. "Daddy Rollin' Stone" by Derek Martin
13. "Short Fat Fannie" by Larry Williams
14. "Long Tall Sally" by Little Richard
15. "Money (That's What I Want)" by Barrett Strong
16. "Hey! Baby" by Bruce Channel
17. "Positively 4th Street" by Bob Dylan
18. "Daydream" by The Lovin' Spoonful
19. "Turquoise" by Donovan
20. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Buddy Holly

Disc two

1. "Be-Bop-A-Lula" by Gene Vincent
2. "No Particular Place to Go" by Chuck Berry
3. "Steppin' Out" by Paul Revere & the Raiders
4. "Do You Believe in Magic" by The Lovin' Spoonful
5. "Some Other Guy" by The Big Three*
6. "Twist and Shout" by The Isley Brothers
7. "She Said, Yeah" by Larry Williams
8. "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" by Buddy Holly
9. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Little Richard
10. "Quarter to Three" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Ooh! My Soul" by Little Richard
12. "Woman Love" by Gene Vincent
13. "Shop Around" by The Miracles
14. "Bring It on Home to Me" by The Animals
15. "If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody" by James Ray with the Hutch Davie Orchestra
16. "What's So Good About Goodbye" by The Miracles
17. "Bad Boy" by Larry Williams
18. "Agent Double-O Soul" by Edwin Starr
19. "I've Been Good to You" by The Miracles
20. "Oh I Apologize" by Barrett Strong
21. "Who's Lovin' You" by The Miracles


pi·o·neer (pī'ə-nîr') pronunciation
n.

1. One who ventures into unknown or unclaimed territory to settle.
2. One who opens up new areas of thought, research, or development.
3.One who goes before, as into the wilderness, preparing the way for others to follow; as, pioneers of civilization; pioneers of reform.



Go listen to...
Howlin' Wolf
Muddy Waters
Leadbelly
Sam Cooke
Wilson Pickett
Sam & Dave
Koko Taylor
Bessie Smith
Billie Holiday
Johnnie Taylor
[Edited 9/7/07 16:47pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 16:55pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 17:04pm]

we're gonna disagree.

given your requirements for what constitutes a pioneer, none of the names you've mentioned fit your own definition of what one would be. each of those performers you've cited have been influenced by something or someone who came before them.

who was bessie smith inflluenced by? and who was that person influenced by, and so on and so forth. billie holiday wasn't the first woman singing the blues, so i guess that drops her from your list of pioneers. the same goes for each and every person you've mentioned.

if they are pioneers, so to are the white folks i mentioned.
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Reply #47 posted 09/07/07 5:30pm

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sassybritches said:

PAPAROBBIE said:


Every last person that you named grew up listening to Black performers and were influenced by them.Just because some white guys introduced a style (that they didn't create themselves) to the masses doesn't make them pioneers. Lennon & Bowie are rock pioneers I suppose, but did NOTHING to lay the groundwork for RHYTHM & BLUES/SOUL or BLUES Who do you think influenced John Lennon, David Bowie, and Janis Joplin? Come on now...


Bessie Smith's influence on Janis Joplin is well noted. According to biographer Ellis Amburn, Joplin claimed that she had wanted to become a blues singer ever since Grant Lyons, a high-school friend, had loaned her records by Smith and Leadbelly (Amburn 22). Powell St. John--also a Texas friend, who wrote "Bye, Bye Baby"--recalls how shocked he was to hear Janis "singing like Bessie Smith, absolutely authentic" (Echols 114). In an early review of Joplin with Big Brother and the Holding Company, written by Ed Denson for The Berkeley Barb, Denson refers to Joplin as a "blues wailer working material from Shirley & Lee back to Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith, with the ability to scream and throw her body into the music" (Joplin 171). Joplin herself, referring to Smith, said: "She showed me the air and taught me how to fill it" (Amburn 22).
Here's the tracklisting from John Lennon's Jukebox CD set (songs/artists that influenced him)..There are a few white artists in there...but they're seriously outnumbered...I'm just sayin'
Disc one

1. "In the Midnight Hour" by Wilson Pickett
2. "Rescue Me" by Fontella Bass
3. "The Tracks of My Tears" by Smokey Robinson and the Miracles
4. "My Girl" by Otis Redding
5. "1, 2, 3" by Len Barry
6. "Hi-Heel Sneakers" by Tommy Tucker
7. "The Walk" by Jimmy McCracklin
8. "Gonna Send You Back to Georgia" by Timmy Shaw
9. "First I Look at the Purse" by The Contours
10. "New Orleans" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker
12. "Daddy Rollin' Stone" by Derek Martin
13. "Short Fat Fannie" by Larry Williams
14. "Long Tall Sally" by Little Richard
15. "Money (That's What I Want)" by Barrett Strong
16. "Hey! Baby" by Bruce Channel
17. "Positively 4th Street" by Bob Dylan
18. "Daydream" by The Lovin' Spoonful
19. "Turquoise" by Donovan
20. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Buddy Holly

Disc two

1. "Be-Bop-A-Lula" by Gene Vincent
2. "No Particular Place to Go" by Chuck Berry
3. "Steppin' Out" by Paul Revere & the Raiders
4. "Do You Believe in Magic" by The Lovin' Spoonful
5. "Some Other Guy" by The Big Three*
6. "Twist and Shout" by The Isley Brothers
7. "She Said, Yeah" by Larry Williams
8. "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" by Buddy Holly
9. "Slippin' and Slidin'" by Little Richard
10. "Quarter to Three" by Gary US Bonds
11. "Ooh! My Soul" by Little Richard
12. "Woman Love" by Gene Vincent
13. "Shop Around" by The Miracles
14. "Bring It on Home to Me" by The Animals
15. "If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody" by James Ray with the Hutch Davie Orchestra
16. "What's So Good About Goodbye" by The Miracles
17. "Bad Boy" by Larry Williams
18. "Agent Double-O Soul" by Edwin Starr
19. "I've Been Good to You" by The Miracles
20. "Oh I Apologize" by Barrett Strong
21. "Who's Lovin' You" by The Miracles


pi·o·neer (pī'ə-nîr') pronunciation
n.

1. One who ventures into unknown or unclaimed territory to settle.
2. One who opens up new areas of thought, research, or development.
3.One who goes before, as into the wilderness, preparing the way for others to follow; as, pioneers of civilization; pioneers of reform.



Go listen to...
Howlin' Wolf
Muddy Waters
Leadbelly
Sam Cooke
Wilson Pickett
Sam & Dave
Koko Taylor
Bessie Smith
Billie Holiday
Johnnie Taylor
[Edited 9/7/07 16:47pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 16:55pm]
[Edited 9/7/07 17:04pm]

we're gonna disagree.

given your requirements for what constitutes a pioneer, none of the names you've mentioned fit your own definition of what one would be. each of those performers you've cited have been influenced by something or someone who came before them.

who was bessie smith inflluenced by? and who was that person influenced by, and so on and so forth. billie holiday wasn't the first woman singing the blues, so i guess that drops her from your list of pioneers. the same goes for each and every person you've mentioned.

if they are pioneers, so to are the white folks i mentioned.


Talk about MISSING the point. You mentioned that I didn't list any white singers/musicians....Who do you think Bessie Smith got it from?...I'd bet my whole music collection that it wasn't a white woman ...the same goes for Billie Holiday(FYI, Holiday is definitely a pioneer because of her singing style & the fact that she had the guts to sing a song about the horrors of lynching when socially conscious songs in popular music was UNHEARD OF at the time), Howlin' Wolf, Sam Cooke and sooooo many others. We are talking about Rhythm & Blues/ Soul music...Lennon, Joplin and Bowie ain't no damn pioneers THERE..
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Reply #48 posted 09/07/07 7:36pm

sassybritches

PAPAROBBIE said:

sassybritches said:


we're gonna disagree.

given your requirements for what constitutes a pioneer, none of the names you've mentioned fit your own definition of what one would be. each of those performers you've cited have been influenced by something or someone who came before them.

who was bessie smith inflluenced by? and who was that person influenced by, and so on and so forth. billie holiday wasn't the first woman singing the blues, so i guess that drops her from your list of pioneers. the same goes for each and every person you've mentioned.

if they are pioneers, so to are the white folks i mentioned.


Talk about MISSING the point. You mentioned that I didn't list any white singers/musicians....Who do you think Bessie Smith got it from?...I'd bet my whole music collection that it wasn't a white woman ...the same goes for Billie Holiday(FYI, Holiday is definitely a pioneer because of her singing style & the fact that she had the guts to sing a song about the horrors of lynching when socially conscious songs in popular music was UNHEARD OF at the time), Howlin' Wolf, Sam Cooke and sooooo many others. We are talking about Rhythm & Blues/ Soul music...Lennon, Joplin and Bowie ain't no damn pioneers THERE..
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[Edited 9/7/07 17:38pm]

you're basing your assessment on race, not work product. the end.
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Reply #49 posted 09/07/07 7:43pm

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It kills me the way people around here feel threatened by Justin Timberlakes success in todays music world. Is it because he is hitting big with a Prince influenced sound .

The dude has talent . hes been around for 10 years and will be around for many more
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Reply #50 posted 09/07/07 10:18pm

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sassybritches said:

PAPAROBBIE said:



Talk about MISSING the point. You mentioned that I didn't list any white singers/musicians....Who do you think Bessie Smith got it from?...I'd bet my whole music collection that it wasn't a white woman ...the same goes for Billie Holiday(FYI, Holiday is definitely a pioneer because of her singing style & the fact that she had the guts to sing a song about the horrors of lynching when socially conscious songs in popular music was UNHEARD OF at the time), Howlin' Wolf, Sam Cooke and sooooo many others. We are talking about Rhythm & Blues/ Soul music...Lennon, Joplin and Bowie ain't no damn pioneers THERE..
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you're basing your assessment on race, not work product. the end.


Ummm. YOU brought up the races of the people that I mentioned. I asked YOU to name some white SOUL & Rhythm & Blues Pioneers...You could not..You listed people who could be considered Rock pioneers (even that is questionable) and I showed you that the people that you named were influenced by ORIGINAL Blues, Jazz & Soul singers (who just happened to be...UH-Oh...Black). I don't dislike JT for being white...I just think he's OVERRATED & he's originated NOTHING.
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Reply #51 posted 09/07/07 10:21pm

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newpower99 said:

It kills me the way people around here feel threatened by Justin Timberlakes success in todays music world. Is it because he is hitting big with a Prince influenced sound .

The dude has talent . hes been around for 10 years and will be around for many more


OVERRATED.
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Reply #52 posted 09/07/07 11:19pm

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phunkdaddy said:

sassybritches said:


seems to me all that is beside the point. peeps are coming down on justin because he's using musicians who happened to work with prince and all i'm saying is there's a clear double standard. it's only because he's justin that people are complaining.


I personally don't care whether he is using prince musicians or not. He still sucks live or on record or however you want to put it. He could use rick james stone city band and he will still sound like shit. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
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Reply #53 posted 09/07/07 11:36pm

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I'd love to join in this JT slam, but I just finished listening to (Another Song) All Over Again, so it would make me a hypocrite tonight. Maybe tomorrow.
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Reply #54 posted 09/07/07 11:57pm

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PAPAROBBIE said:

MikeMatronik said:



Well...I'm a JT fan...but most opinions here at the org are based on a racist agenda.


I'm NOT a JT fan...not because he's white. I'm not a fan of his because he's OVERRATED and has created NOTHING. I grew up on Barry White, Al Green, Isaac Hayes, Prince, Bootsy, Larry Graham, James Brown, Marvin Gaye and so many others that actually ORIGINATED things. Inspiration is one thing, but his music is a soulless and shallow attempt at being soulful. We all know that there are many more talented MUSICIANS/Singers out there who don't have the "marketable" look that he does.

I totally agree with every word u typed PAPAROBBIE thumbs up! I watched his concert and his singing was as weak as the instruments he called himself playing. The stage set-up had Prince Influence written all over it as far as being original and innovative is out of the question. He will never EVER get 2 that level. NEVER
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