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Printablesassybritches said: emilio319 said: I hate when Sananda gets compared to Prince like that....The only reason people do it is (for the most part) because he's black, he plays funk & rock, and he plays most of the instruments on his records (usually). The truth is his music sounds nothing at all like Prince. You can hear the influence of The Rolling Stones and Stevie Wonder much more prominently. I'm not saying Prince isn't an influence, Sananda himself has said that Prince is an influence, I'm just saying that to say that he's a "poor man's Prince" is bullshit, it's just making a quick assumption based on the fact that he's black and he's a multi-instrumentalist, because his music sounds VERY different from Prince's. BTW, L4OA TheOriginal, I know you aren't calling him the poorman's prince, you're just replying to someone else's quote, just to be clear, I'm just saying this because I've seen that title thrown around and I totally disagree. my statement that he's the poor man's prince has nothing to do with musical style and everything to do with persona. have you ever heard this guy's rambling? he gives interviews in the exact same style as prince used to. prince changes his name, so naturally ttd changes his name. no, ttd's music is very different from prince's style. that doesn't change the fact that it's painfully evident ttd wants to be prince.  That's so not true. First his interviews are totally different to Prince's. Prince hardly says a word, while Sananda talks a lot. You assume that he is "rambling" like you call it like Prince does, but I am sure he would talk exactly the same if Prince had never existed. That's just him, that's not an image. The name change is totally different as well. He did it for spiritual reasons and even changed his name on all his documents as well and everybody he is close to including his family calls him by his new name while for Prince it was only a business move though he had pretended the name change was for spiritual reasons. Sananda even mentioned in an interview that he knew people would compare the name change to Prince's, but that it was inetivable to do it for him nevertheless. I never had the impression all that Sananda wanted to be Prince and I have followed both of their careers since the mid 80s. Sananda always had very different hair and clothing styles and I don't see any ressamblance imagewise apart from given things like the ones Emilio has mentioned in his post. With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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emilio319 said: L4OATheOriginal said: by having his music then u already know who he is. if nobody else does then maybe u should play some of his music 4 them so that they do know who he is. and if he's a poor man's prince, then is prince a poor man's james brown? btw TTD is influence by James Brown as well I hate when Sananda gets compared to Prince like that....The only reason people do it is (for the most part) because he's black, he plays funk & rock, and he plays most of the instruments on his records (usually). The truth is his music sounds nothing at all like Prince. You can hear the influence of The Rolling Stones and Stevie Wonder much more prominently. I'm not saying Prince isn't an influence, Sananda himself has said that Prince is an influence, I'm just saying that to say that he's a "poor man's Prince" is bullshit, it's just making a quick assumption based on the fact that he's black and he's a multi-instrumentalist, because his music sounds VERY different from Prince's. BTW, L4OA TheOriginal, I know you aren't calling him the poorman's prince, you're just replying to someone else's quote, just to be clear, I'm just saying this because I've seen that title thrown around and I totally disagree. Well said, Emilio  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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his ramblings are much more amusing (on his site) "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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Raze said: emilio319 said: Well I'm not sure how old you are but MTV/VH1 and the entire music industry has really changed since the 80's and early 90's. What I'm tryin to say is that in the 80's and early 90's you could still find some great stuff on Mtv/Vh1...it all went to hell in the late 90's with all the teen pop bullshit. So the point I'm trying to make is that "back in the days" (the last time Sananda was on MTV with a new video was in 93!) they would still play quality music on tv and in the radio along with lighter pop stuff as well but nowadays on MTV/VH1 99% of the stuff they play is FORMULAIC garbage. Nowadays you really have to look elsewhere to find quality music in my opinion. newsflash: in the 80's, Prince and Terrence Trent Darby were the teen pop bullshit that was being crammed down everyone's throat. It's just the teen pop bullshit you grew up with and love. Well midnightmover hit the nail on the head but let me correct you Raze.... Prince and Sananda's music has never been bullshit....was there a time when they were experiencing heavy rotation on MTV and all the other popular outlets? YES. But was there a time when their music was bullshit? Never! Bullshit is artists that can barely play their instruments, artists that have ghost writers writing their songs but wanna pretend that they played a part in writing it, artists who rely on "Timbaland" or some other jack-ass to pretty much dictate what their entire "sound" is going to be...THAT's bullshit. So NEWSFLASH RAZE, Prince and Sananda were never "teen pop bullshit" and to try and compare Prince and Sananda to what's popular today is complete bullshit on your part. [Edited 9/4/07 14:21pm] | |
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midnightmover said: Raze said: newsflash: in the 80's, Prince and Terrence Trent Darby were the teen pop bullshit that was being crammed down everyone's throat. It's just the teen pop bullshit you grew up with and love. Please don't tell me you can't see the difference between Prince and Terence Trent Darby, and NSync and The Backstreet Boys. Thank you!  | |
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sassybritches said: my statement that he's the poor man's prince has nothing to do with musical style and everything to do with persona. have you ever heard this guy's rambling? he gives interviews in the exact same style as prince used to. prince changes his name, so naturally ttd changes his name.
no, ttd's music is very different from prince's style. that doesn't change the fact that it's painfully evident ttd wants to be prince. Regarding the name change, how about Cat Stevens & Muhammad Ali, they changed their names before Prince. I know there's many more who did as well that I cannot think of at the moment. Sananda's name change was totally different than Prince's. When I first heard of it (around 2001 or 2002), my initial reaction was similar to yours, but after reading his reasons and seeing his sincerity, I realized it's totally different situation. Sananda did it for spiritual reasons (not legal/business reasons like Prince) and he has kept his name...TTD is dead...and regarding the interviews, Prince barely gives interviews while Sananda talks up a storm. I totally disagree with what you are saying and I just feel you need to take the time and dig deeper into the artist before you just decide to label him as a Prince wannabe. | |
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Serious said: sassybritches said: my statement that he's the poor man's prince has nothing to do with musical style and everything to do with persona. have you ever heard this guy's rambling? he gives interviews in the exact same style as prince used to. prince changes his name, so naturally ttd changes his name. no, ttd's music is very different from prince's style. that doesn't change the fact that it's painfully evident ttd wants to be prince. That's so not true. First his interviews are totally different to Prince's. Prince hardly says a word, while Sananda talks a lot. You assume that he is "rambling" like you call it like Prince does, but I am sure he would talk exactly the same if Prince had never existed. That's just him, that's not an image. The name change is totally different as well. He did it for spiritual reasons and even changed his name on all his documents as well and everybody he is close to including his family calls him by his new name while for Prince it was only a business move though he had pretended the name change was for spiritual reasons. Sananda even mentioned in an interview that he knew people would compare the name change to Prince's, but that it was inetivable to do it for him nevertheless. I never had the impression all that Sananda wanted to be Prince and I have followed both of their careers since the mid 80s. Sananda always had very different hair and clothing styles and I don't see any ressamblance imagewise apart from given things like the ones Emilio has mentioned in his post. Well said Ms. Martina!  | |
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yeah...comparing ttd to prince because of a name change or their incoherent rants is kinda silly. meshell's another one who changed her name and tends to speak in circles too but nobody is trying to say she is prince. Space for sale... | |
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Oh and just to add one more thing....
in the 80's, Prince and Sananda may have experienced the height of their popularity but there was ALSO teen pop crap like New Kids On The Block, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, etc. So yes MTV played Prince & Sananda but they were not the "teen pop bullshit" of the time, that would have been New Kids on The Block, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, and others like that....there's a BIG DIFFERENCE! | |
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emilio319 said: L4OATheOriginal said: by having his music then u already know who he is. if nobody else does then maybe u should play some of his music 4 them so that they do know who he is. and if he's a poor man's prince, then is prince a poor man's james brown? btw TTD is influence by James Brown as well I hate when Sananda gets compared to Prince like that....The only reason people do it is (for the most part) because he's black, he plays funk & rock, and he plays most of the instruments on his records (usually). The truth is his music sounds nothing at all like Prince. You can hear the influence of The Rolling Stones and Stevie Wonder much more prominently. I'm not saying Prince isn't an influence, Sananda himself has said that Prince is an influence, I'm just saying that to say that he's a "poor man's Prince" is bullshit, it's just making a quick assumption based on the fact that he's black and he's a multi-instrumentalist, because his music sounds VERY different from Prince's. BTW, L4OA TheOriginal, I know you aren't calling him the poorman's prince, you're just replying to someone else's quote, just to be clear, I'm just saying this because I've seen that title thrown around and I totally disagree. i got what ur saying as well it's all good. ur comments about mtv/vh-1 is so on point as well. i'd rather watch the tube network 2 get real music. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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emilio319 said: sassybritches said: my statement that he's the poor man's prince has nothing to do with musical style and everything to do with persona. have you ever heard this guy's rambling? he gives interviews in the exact same style as prince used to. prince changes his name, so naturally ttd changes his name.
no, ttd's music is very different from prince's style. that doesn't change the fact that it's painfully evident ttd wants to be prince. Regarding the name change, how about Cat Stevens & Muhammad Ali, they changed their names before Prince. I know there's many more who did as well that I cannot think of at the moment. Sananda's name change was totally different than Prince's. When I first heard of it (around 2001 or 2002), my initial reaction was similar to yours, but after reading his reasons and seeing his sincerity, I realized it's totally different situation. Sananda did it for spiritual reasons (not legal/business reasons like Prince) and he has kept his name...TTD is dead...and regarding the interviews, Prince barely gives interviews while Sananda talks up a storm. I totally disagree with what you are saying and I just feel you need to take the time and dig deeper into the artist before you just decide to label him as a Prince wannabe. here is another name change that was spritual inclined..yvette stevens ..don't know her? oh how about if i said chaka khan? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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sosgemini said: yeah...comparing ttd to prince because of a name change or their incoherent rants is kinda silly. meshell's another one who changed her name and tends to speak in circles too but nobody is trying to say she is prince.
she changed her name? 2 what i might ask? i like meshelle a lot man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: sosgemini said: yeah...comparing ttd to prince because of a name change or their incoherent rants is kinda silly. meshell's another one who changed her name and tends to speak in circles too but nobody is trying to say she is prince.
she changed her name? 2 what i might ask? i like meshelle a lot Bashir-Shakur Cha know, I never knew her birth name was Michelle Lynn Johnson. Damn, she had a straight up plane jane name at birth. Space for sale... | |
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Terence is supertalented and very intelectual. a very smart guy.
imo he was at his peak with vibrator tour. | |
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sosgemini said: L4OATheOriginal said: she changed her name? 2 what i might ask? i like meshelle a lot Bashir-Shakur Cha know, I never knew her birth name was Michelle Lynn Johnson. Damn, she had a straight up plane jane name at birth. is her new album going 2 b under this new name? i know off topic but just curious since i want 2 get it when it comes out man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: sosgemini said: Bashir-Shakur Cha know, I never knew her birth name was Michelle Lynn Johnson. Damn, she had a straight up plane jane name at birth. is her new album going 2 b under this new name? i know off topic but just curious since i want 2 get it when it comes out nahh...she still uses meshell as her stage name...the same as ttd...and unlike prince...which another example of their difference in approach. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: L4OATheOriginal said: is her new album going 2 b under this new name? i know off topic but just curious since i want 2 get it when it comes out nahh...she still uses meshell as her stage name...the same as ttd...and unlike prince...which another example of their difference in approach. No actually Sananda no longer uses "TTD"...on his Wildcard album he used both names but on Angels & Vampires he only uses Sananda. Also in a newsletter just a few months ago he said that he is no longer using the TTD name or any other variation such as "Sananda Maitreya/Terence Trent D'arby." | |
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sosgemini said: L4OATheOriginal said: is her new album going 2 b under this new name? i know off topic but just curious since i want 2 get it when it comes out nahh...she still uses meshell as her stage name...the same as ttd...and unlike prince...which another example of their difference in approach. cool thank u..but i think ttd is using his new name only now man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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emilio319 said: sosgemini said: nahh...she still uses meshell as her stage name...the same as ttd...and unlike prince...which another example of their difference in approach. No actually Sananda no longer uses "TTD"...on his Wildcard album he used both names but on Angels & Vampires he only uses Sananda. Also in a newsletter just a few months ago he said that he is no longer using the TTD name or any other variation such as "Sananda Maitreya/Terence Trent D'arby." wasn't one of his reasons for changing the name was to differentiate between his public and private personas? i wonder why he is finally now giving up the ttd name... Space for sale... | |
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emilio319 said: Raze said: newsflash: in the 80's, Prince and Terrence Trent Darby were the teen pop bullshit that was being crammed down everyone's throat. It's just the teen pop bullshit you grew up with and love. Well midnightmover hit the nail on the head but let me correct you Raze.... Prince and Sananda's music has never been bullshit....was there a time when they were experiencing heavy rotation on MTV and all the other popular outlets? YES. But was there a time when their music was bullshit? Never! Bullshit is artists that can barely play their instruments, artists that have ghost writers writing their songs but wanna pretend that they played a part in writing it, artists who rely on "Timbaland" or some other jack-ass to pretty much dictate what their entire "sound" is going to be...THAT's bullshit. So NEWSFLASH RAZE, Prince and Sananda were never "teen pop bullshit" and to try and compare Prince and Sananda to what's popular today is complete bullshit on your part. [Edited 9/4/07 14:21pm] blah blah blah blah. That wasn't my point. My point was that in the 80's, Prince and TTD were being crammed down our throats on MTV and at radio, and I doubt you were bitching about it then. It's someone else's turn. Don't criticize the system that made people you like popular just because they're doing it for someone else now. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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blah blah blah blah. That wasn't my point. My point was that in the 80's, Prince and TTD were being crammed down our throats on MTV and at radio, and I doubt you were bitching about it then. It's someone else's turn. Don't criticize the system that made people you like popular just because they're doing it for someone else now.[/quote] true, but at least TTD and Prince are talented. | |
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Raze said: emilio319 said: Well midnightmover hit the nail on the head but let me correct you Raze.... Prince and Sananda's music has never been bullshit....was there a time when they were experiencing heavy rotation on MTV and all the other popular outlets? YES. But was there a time when their music was bullshit? Never! Bullshit is artists that can barely play their instruments, artists that have ghost writers writing their songs but wanna pretend that they played a part in writing it, artists who rely on "Timbaland" or some other jack-ass to pretty much dictate what their entire "sound" is going to be...THAT's bullshit. So NEWSFLASH RAZE, Prince and Sananda were never "teen pop bullshit" and to try and compare Prince and Sananda to what's popular today is complete bullshit on your part. [Edited 9/4/07 14:21pm] blah blah blah blah. That wasn't my point. My point was that in the 80's, Prince and TTD were being crammed down our throats on MTV and at radio, and I doubt you were bitching about it then. It's someone else's turn. Don't criticize the system that made people you like popular just because they're doing it for someone else now. You completely missed my point. | |
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sosgemini said: emilio319 said: No actually Sananda no longer uses "TTD"...on his Wildcard album he used both names but on Angels & Vampires he only uses Sananda. Also in a newsletter just a few months ago he said that he is no longer using the TTD name or any other variation such as "Sananda Maitreya/Terence Trent D'arby." wasn't one of his reasons for changing the name was to differentiate between his public and private personas? i wonder why he is finally now giving up the ttd name... No, that wasn't the reason at all. It was for spiritual reasons. At first he was using them both in order to get the word out so that fans of TTD could find his music and get familiar with the name change, but now that adjustment period is over he's just sticking with Sananda Maitreya. | |
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emilio319 said: sosgemini said: wasn't one of his reasons for changing the name was to differentiate between his public and private personas? i wonder why he is finally now giving up the ttd name... No, that wasn't the reason at all. It was for spiritual reasons. At first he was using them both in order to get the word out so that fans of TTD could find his music and get familiar with the name change, but now that adjustment period is over he's just sticking with Sananda Maitreya. Also some of those songs are from the time he was still TTD... | |
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emilio319 said: Raze said: blah blah blah blah. That wasn't my point. My point was that in the 80's, Prince and TTD were being crammed down our throats on MTV and at radio, and I doubt you were bitching about it then. It's someone else's turn. Don't criticize the system that made people you like popular just because they're doing it for someone else now. You completely missed my point. No, you missed MY point, which is why I re-iterated it. Everything you said was irrelevant and I stopped reading when I realized it had nothing to do with what I had said. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: emilio319 said: You completely missed my point. No, you missed MY point, which is why I re-iterated it. Everything you said was irrelevant and I stopped reading when I realized it had nothing to do with what I had said. the point is that MTV at the time was promoting artists that were TALENTED and now it is very different. Idols back in the 80s were talented and now u dont need to be talented to be an idol or be all day in MTV. In the 70s it was all about the music. It did not matter if ur looks were shity or u were very ugly. When MTV came out some of the people that were famous in the 70s disappeared cuz they did not fit in the MTV VIDEO-CLIP world. MJ, Prince, TTD. Lionel, Tina, George Michael etc did fit very well. Music World changed but it was a requirement to be TALENTED. Even Milli vanilli were kick out of every town when everyone knew they were not singing. Nowadays they wouldnt need someone to sing for them. they could make it all right no problem. U dont need to sing great to be an idol. | |
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electrorock said: Raze said: No, you missed MY point, which is why I re-iterated it. Everything you said was irrelevant and I stopped reading when I realized it had nothing to do with what I had said. the point is that MTV at the time was promoting artists that were TALENTED and now it is very different. Idols back in the 80s were talented and now u dont need to be talented to be an idol or be all day in MTV. In the 70s it was all about the music. It did not matter if ur looks were shity or u were very ugly. When MTV came out some of the people that were famous in the 70s disappeared cuz they did not fit in the MTV VIDEO-CLIP world. MJ, Prince, TTD. Lionel, Tina, George Michael etc did fit very well. Music World changed but it was a requirement to be TALENTED. Even Milli vanilli were kick out of every town when everyone knew they were not singing. Nowadays they wouldnt need someone to sing for them. they could make it all right no problem. U dont need to sing great to be an idol. agreed....so, aaron...i mean raze: you can't agree with this point? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: electrorock said: the point is that MTV at the time was promoting artists that were TALENTED and now it is very different. Idols back in the 80s were talented and now u dont need to be talented to be an idol or be all day in MTV. In the 70s it was all about the music. It did not matter if ur looks were shity or u were very ugly. When MTV came out some of the people that were famous in the 70s disappeared cuz they did not fit in the MTV VIDEO-CLIP world. MJ, Prince, TTD. Lionel, Tina, George Michael etc did fit very well. Music World changed but it was a requirement to be TALENTED. Even Milli vanilli were kick out of every town when everyone knew they were not singing. Nowadays they wouldnt need someone to sing for them. they could make it all right no problem. U dont need to sing great to be an idol. agreed....so, aaron...i mean raze: you can't agree with this point?  | |
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