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PrintableTimmy84 said: Rodya24 said: I had no idea that Stephanie Mills found herself with abusive men. Man, that is awful....  Yeah, remember, she married Jeffrey Daniels of Shalamar. There has been a lot reports on their relationship and how Jeffrey used to slap Stephanie a lot. I think they were married for three years. Ironically, Jeffrey was the one who taught Mike the moonwalk and also was one of his backup dancers on the "Bad" tour. Wow... To be honest, I had no idea she was once married to Jeffrey Daniels. Too bad he was such a jerk. | |
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Here are some pictures of them (not the best ones, but still..)
 "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Here are some pictures of them (not the best ones, but still..)
Still does not prove that both had an intimate relationship, though. Could just be pictures of Michael Jackson and a hardcore fanatic. | |
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dag said: Here are some pictures of them (not the best ones, but still..)
Who is she? 
And this was around the period where Michael didn't "smile", lol. I still wonder what the hell Broham was going through at the time besides the record industry politics and that "my record label boss is the devil" and all that shit. | |
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Rodya24 said: dag said: Here are some pictures of them (not the best ones, but still..)
Still does not prove that both had an intimate relationship, though. Could just be pictures of Michael Jackson and a hardcore fanatic. "That Russian-looking girl is not my lover.  "
Sorry she looks Russian, lol. | |
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Timmy84 said: dag said: Here are some pictures of them (not the best ones, but still..)
Who is she?
And this was around the period where Michael didn't "smile", lol. I still wonder what the hell Broham was going through at the time besides the record industry politics and that "my record label boss is the devil" and all that shit. Is that a fan? | |
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She´s French! well, she looks better. These are not her best shots.
Anyways, there are some small clips of the signing on youtube. Check them out. They´re very funny. http://www.youtube.com/wa...tx0V7Q7FTE Here´s a clip of her. An hour after he asks for her phonenumber, she apperas again hugging him! And Mike´s making sure again, they´ve got her number And check the other girl: "how does it work? DId it hurt? " And than some man says "do I see something sticking out?" And Mike goes: You naaaaasty!"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search= [Edited 9/3/07 12:13pm] [Edited 9/3/07 12:14pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: She´s French! well, she looks better. These are not her best shots.
Anyways, there are some small clips of the signing on youtube. Check them out. They´re very funny. http://www.youtube.com/wa...tx0V7Q7FTE Here´s a clip of her. An hour after he asks for her phonenumber, she apperas again hugging him! And Mike´s making sure again, they´ve got her number http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search= Is she a fan or what. Michael looks very stiff there. | |
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whatsgoingon said: dag said: She´s French! well, she looks better. These are not her best shots.
Anyways, there are some small clips of the signing on youtube. Check them out. They´re very funny. http://www.youtube.com/wa...tx0V7Q7FTE Here´s a clip of her. An hour after he asks for her phonenumber, she apperas again hugging him! And Mike´s making sure again, they´ve got her number http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search= Is she a fan or what. Michael looks very stiff there. I blame his stiffness on the awful surgeries he had before Invincible was released. | |
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Ok, French, Russian, Italian... whatever, she IS a European.
 And I think she's just a fan... yes I said she's just a fan, oh baby...
Oh sorry, I was in my Biz Markie mood. [Edited 9/3/07 12:15pm] | |
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Speaking of Jeffrey Daniels, there was this old Jet magazine article where it described the nature of his abuse against Stephanie.
At some point he tried to throw her outta of a SPEEDING car
I knew the pain in her voice during that era didn't came outta nowhere. She, Miki Howard and Angela Winbush have seen some rough shit during their heyday, I'm sad that they'll have to look back and have a somewhat of a complex memory of their successful years. The ONE person who never struck me as an abused victim is Phylicia Rashad, when I heard that she was a drug partner with her then husband(the guy from the Village people) and that he whooped her ass like its punching bag, my 1st impression was like "NOT CLAIRE!  ".[Edited 9/3/07 12:16pm] | |
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Harlepolis said: Speaking of Jeffrey Daniels, there was this old Jet magazine article where it described the nature of his abuse against Stephanie.
At some point he tried to throw her outta of a SPEEDING car
I knew the pain in her voice during that era didn't came from nowhere. She, Miki Howard and Angela Winbush have seen some rough shit during their heyday, I'm sad that they'll have to look back and have a somewhat of a complex memory of their successful years. The ONE person who never struck me as an abused victim is Phylicia Rashad, when I heard that she was a drug partner with her then husband(the guy from the Village people) and that he whooped her ass like its punching bag, my 1st impression was like "NO CLAIRE! ".And you know back then I thought Jeffrey bear a similarity to Michael, big afro and skinny, so when Stephanie married Jeffrey I alway felt he was a substitute for Michael. I can't believe someone that looked so gentle could be so abusive. [Edited 9/3/07 12:22pm] | |
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Harlepolis said: Speaking of Jeffrey Daniels, there was this old Jet magazine article where it described the nature of his abuse against Stephanie.
At some point he tried to throw her outta of a SPEEDING car
I knew the pain in her voice during that era didn't came outta nowhere. She, Miki Howard and Angela Winbush have seen some rough shit during their heyday, I'm sad that they'll have to look back and have a somewhat of a complex memory of their successful years. The ONE person who never struck me as an abused victim is Phylicia Rashad, when I heard that she was a drug partner with her then husband(the guy from the Village people) and that he whooped her ass like its punching bag, my 1st impression was like "NOT CLAIRE! ".
[Edited 9/3/07 12:16pm] I know, right!?! Stephanie went through a lot of pain and you could hear it in her vocals, man. I'm sure when she grimaced her vocals, that she was showing you her pain. | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said: Speaking of Jeffrey Daniels, there was this old Jet magazine article where it described the nature of his abuse against Stephanie.
At some point he tried to throw her outta of a SPEEDING car
I knew the pain in her voice during that era didn't came outta nowhere. She, Miki Howard and Angela Winbush have seen some rough shit during their heyday, I'm sad that they'll have to look back and have a somewhat of a complex memory of their successful years. The ONE person who never struck me as an abused victim is Phylicia Rashad, when I heard that she was a drug partner with her then husband(the guy from the Village people) and that he whooped her ass like its punching bag, my 1st impression was like "NOT CLAIRE! ".
[Edited 9/3/07 12:16pm] I know, right!?! Stephanie went through a lot of pain and you could hear it in her vocals, man. I'm sure when she grimaced her vocals, that she was showing you her pain. Career-wise too. She had it rough from the start with the critics too
When she made the Wiz, broadway purists said that she was "too short, too ugly and Judy Garland should've waken up from her grave and slapped her"
Now I love Judy just like the next person but to downplay Stephanie seemed like it came from OTHER REASONS(if you know what I mean) there was no place for error in her effort, the woman was TOO GOOD. | |
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Timmy84 said: mimi07 said: awww here's are pics from june 1977. There is one of them from like 1988-89 i can't find it right now though
 I often wonder how their chemisty onstage would've been. As you know, Diana Ross got her out from doing Dorothy in the film version of "The Wiz". Imagine getting acquainted with one Dorothy and then find yourself in the film with a Dorothy you knew since childhood.
Funny f*cking paradox. What's funny is with these pictures Michael looks so much more geniune and relax with Stephanie than he ever did with pictures of Lisa Marie or Debbie Rowe. It just makes you wonder 
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whatsgoingon said: But that's still different from saying that he could never go "near a black woman". That is being too presumptious because at the end of the day we do NOT know Michael personally, Stephanie Mills does know him personally, so for someone like Midnightmover to come and claim she is "tripping" because she said something completley contrary to his whole belief of Michael Jackson is more about Midnightmover own assumptions than anything else. It's almost like he is angry because she didn't say what was expected.
I can't speak for mightnightmover, but it seems like (s)he is discussing two arguments that connect only in certain tangents: 1.) Stephanie Mills' implying that her going out with Michael Jackson was more of a case of intimate interplay than casual relationship/hanging out. 2.) At some point in his life, MJ's alleged racial complex started kicking in. This is purely speculation, but I'll play devil's advocate: Isn't it possible that MJ's race issues kicked in during his goings-out with Mills? Listen to Mills' comments during that interview. "I was his only little chocolate drop...I thought I was going to marry Michael but you know, I'm a little too dark for him." Again, you don't know WHEN Mills came to that conclusion but it very obvious that she feels MJ's dating preferences are toward white women. Moreover, this is the closest thing I've heard in the past 25-plus years that gives an idea why this "hot romance" broke off. [Edited 9/3/07 14:38pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: I often wonder how their chemisty onstage would've been. As you know, Diana Ross got her out from doing Dorothy in the film version of "The Wiz". Imagine getting acquainted with one Dorothy and then find yourself in the film with a Dorothy you knew since childhood.
Funny f*cking paradox. What's funny is with these pictures Michael looks so much more geniune and relax with Stephanie than he ever did with pictures of Lisa Marie or Debbie Rowe. It just make you wonder
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: I know, right!?! Stephanie went through a lot of pain and you could hear it in her vocals, man. I'm sure when she grimaced her vocals, that she was showing you her pain. Career-wise too. She had it rough from the start with the critics too
When she made the Wiz, broadway purists said that she was "too short, too ugly and Judy Garland should've waken up from her grave and slapped her"
Now I love Judy just like the next person but to downplay Stephanie seemed like it came from OTHER REASONS(if you know what I mean) there was no place for error in her effort, the woman was TOO GOOD. Whatever @ them fools.  They was just mad a black woman could do what Judy did... and better IMHO.  | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: I know, right!?! Stephanie went through a lot of pain and you could hear it in her vocals, man. I'm sure when she grimaced her vocals, that she was showing you her pain. Career-wise too. She had it rough from the start with the critics too
When she made the Wiz, broadway purists said that she was "too short, too ugly and Judy Garland should've waken up from her grave and slapped her"
Now I love Judy just like the next person but to downplay Stephanie seemed like it came from OTHER REASONS(if you know what I mean) there was no place for error in her effort, the woman was TOO GOOD. Broadway Purist are funny that way. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Harlepolis said: Career-wise too. She had it rough from the start with the critics too
When she made the Wiz, broadway purists said that she was "too short, too ugly and Judy Garland should've waken up from her grave and slapped her"
Now I love Judy just like the next person but to downplay Stephanie seemed like it came from OTHER REASONS(if you know what I mean) there was no place for error in her effort, the woman was TOO GOOD. Broadway Purist are funny that way. ALL purists are  | |
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In fact and I know I may get it from some of y'all but I prefer "Home" over "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as the ultimate anthem of any version of the "Wizard of Oz" any damn day of the week. Same goes for "Ease On Down the Road". 
I love all the versions of "Home" actually: Stephanie, Diane and Whitney tore that sucka up in their own ways.  | |
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whatsgoingon said: It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies
and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.No one is calling Stephanie Mills a liar -- just that she apparently is playing with the context of the terms to paint a more intimate, personal relationship than what it really was. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Harlepolis said: ehuffnsd said: Broadway Purist are funny that way. ALL purists are True dat! Once they're used to one thing, they lambast another version, it's common, actually. | |
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Timmy84 said: In fact and I know I may get it from some of y'all but I prefer "Home" over "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as the ultimate anthem of any version of the "Wizard of Oz" any damn day of the week. Same goes for "Ease On Down the Road".
I love all the versions of "Home" actually: Stephanie, Diane and Whitney tore that sucka up in their own ways. Defying Gravity is the THEME for any Oz story You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: In fact and I know I may get it from some of y'all but I prefer "Home" over "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as the ultimate anthem of any version of the "Wizard of Oz" any damn day of the week. Same goes for "Ease On Down the Road".
I love all the versions of "Home" actually: Stephanie, Diane and Whitney tore that sucka up in their own ways. Defying Gravity is the THEME for any Oz story True... actually most of the original songs from the "Wizard of Oz" are very corny compared to "The Wiz": "Be a Lion", "Soon as I Get Home", "Don't Give Me No Bad News", "Everybody Rejoice (Brand New Day)" (the LUTHER song )... there was just more grit and soul... OBVIOUSLY! Oh and "You Can't Win" is still BOSS! In the movie version, Mike tore that sucka up! | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: I often wonder how their chemisty onstage would've been. As you know, Diana Ross got her out from doing Dorothy in the film version of "The Wiz". Imagine getting acquainted with one Dorothy and then find yourself in the film with a Dorothy you knew since childhood.
Funny f*cking paradox. What's funny is with these pictures Michael looks so much more geniune and relax with Stephanie than he ever did with pictures of Lisa Marie or Debbie Rowe. It just makes you wonder
[Edited 9/3/07 12:41pm] That's because Michael was a fan of Stephanie's. He loved The Wiz and he loved her in it. Also he wasn't having to pretend to be in love with her, like he was with the other two. It's obvious they're just two friends hanging out. Probably if she hadn't had the hots for him they could have stayed friends. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Timmy84 said: In fact and I know I may get it from some of y'all but I prefer "Home" over "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as the ultimate anthem of any version of the "Wizard of Oz" any damn day of the week. Same goes for "Ease On Down the Road".
I love all the versions of "Home" actually: Stephanie, Diane and Whitney tore that sucka up in their own ways. I love them both differently though. Judy was a BEAST of a vocalist, you could tell that she had it rough too
I was shocked when I saw her A&E biography(its on youtube btw) the way the network forced her to take pills early @ her career to cope with the pressure of making a 20, 30 movie per year
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Najee said: whatsgoingon said: It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies
and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.No one is calling Stephanie Mills a liar -- just that she apparently is playing with the context of the terms to paint a more intimate, personal relationship than what it really was. I don't have a problem with what your saying, you think she made it more serious than it was. I didn't get that vibe from her personally. She wasn't over elaborate about the relationship, she admitted they never had sex. She actually didn't go into that much details. I do however personally believe some people have a problem with the fact that she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser" and I think that's the part some people can't believe and more so they can't believe it because she is a black woman. | |
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