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PrintableAnd back then, to relate this story, there were a lot of crazy-ass fans who claimed Michael took them to their hotel room and they fucked but we KNOW that was just bullshit... right? Though Stephanie DID say they DIDN'T fuck, lol. [Edited 9/3/07 11:37am] | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: onstage Michael says he does what the music tells him to do. And when he is interacting with someone on stage it just seems like he's very uncomfortable with that person being there. Same as his interactions with women in videos. The hug with Iman in Remember the Time is almost freaking Aframe hug. For all we know he may have had the porn as something to have for the kids, not in a pedophile way but as something to make it more of wonderland for prepubsecent boys, because i remember when i was 10-13 year boy my older brother was always sneaking around the house to find my dad and oldest brothers porn. it would make sense to have toys, videogames, rides and porn. We all see it through our "own" eyes. For example I understand his shyness in front of others. I don´t like being intimate or sexy in front of an audience, but that doesn´t mean that I am asexual. looks at any performace of Dirty Diana and the watch any performance of the way you make me feel. if he had have the sexual engery he has with the mikestand of dirty diana that he does with whatever girl he is performaing i'd buy that shy stuff, but he has said he'd sleep on stage if you let him. The Way Make Me Feel http://www.youtube.com/wa...CvkiVHzF0A Dirty Diana http://www.youtube.com/wa...hYtutACQVk You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: We all see it through our "own" eyes. For example I understand his shyness in front of others. I don´t like being intimate or sexy in front of an audience, but that doesn´t mean that I am asexual. looks at any performace of Dirty Diana and the watch any performance of the way you make me feel. if he had have the sexual engery he has with the mikestand of dirty diana that he does with whatever girl he is performaing i'd buy that shy stuff, but he has said he'd sleep on stage if you let him. The Way Make Me Feel http://www.youtube.com/wa...CvkiVHzF0A Dirty Diana http://www.youtube.com/wa...hYtutACQVk Mike used to say the stage was the ONLY comfortable place to be in. Maybe because he'd been in so many stages from the age of six. I could see why growing up like that could make someone complex: a man who flirted with sexual prowess ONSTAGE yet was a totally different cat off. It can throw anybody off. Like Elvis, women who dated him said he was two different cats too. Onstage, a sexual beast, offstage, all he wanted to do with a woman was cuddle. I'm sure Michael was the same way... if he got close to a chick. | |
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Timmy84 said: Three years ago, I would've believed Michael having something with Stephanie but now that I'm hearing the interview again, I don't think they were as close as she's trying to say. I tried to see if anyone else had any accounts of their relationship, if there ever was one. But if you watched "Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood", you'd already known that around that time, Michael was torn between his stage behavior and his off-stage behavior. Onstage, he came on that stage with reckless abandon, something triggered Michael offstage and forced him to sit in his bubble. I reckon he's still in that "bubble" but never did I believe Michael seriously dating any of the women he was linked to. I can only believe the Lisa Marie one because Lisa herself said they fucked. This was after Michael left the Jehovah's Witness. But around the time Michael had met Stephanie, he was a strictly DEVOUT JW! Which means "no sex". I'm sure Stephanie did see Mike in his underwear and that they did kiss but that's all there was to it. The only time I would think Stephanie was making it bigger than it was when she said "oh Michael was a MAN to me!" But maybe that was to get them off their back with it.
Harley, I wonder if you knew that mentioning Mike's name in this board will trigger a million responses. 
Shouldn't this board be in the Guinness Book of Records for that.  I am sure it was a very brief relationship and confirmed they had no sex. But to say Stephanie is "tripping" and MJ couldn't bring himself to be next to a black woman, is a completely different scenario to saying the relationship was casual, which we all agree upon. [Edited 9/3/07 11:46am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: We all see it through our "own" eyes. For example I understand his shyness in front of others. I don´t like being intimate or sexy in front of an audience, but that doesn´t mean that I am asexual. looks at any performace of Dirty Diana and the watch any performance of the way you make me feel. if he had have the sexual engery he has with the mikestand of dirty diana that he does with whatever girl he is performaing i'd buy that shy stuff, but he has said he'd sleep on stage if you let him. The Way Make Me Feel http://www.youtube.com/wa...CvkiVHzF0A Dirty Diana http://www.youtube.com/wa...hYtutACQVk I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. During the trial, they said that they aired a video of Mike pulling up Karen´s Faye t-shirt up to look at her butt while she was turned back. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. [Edited 9/3/07 11:46am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: Three years ago, I would've believed Michael having something with Stephanie but now that I'm hearing the interview again, I don't think they were as close as she's trying to say. I tried to see if anyone else had any accounts of their relationship, if there ever was one. But if you watched "Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood", you'd already known that around that time, Michael was torn between his stage behavior and his off-stage behavior. Onstage, he came on that stage with reckless abandon, something triggered Michael offstage and forced him to sit in his bubble. I reckon he's still in that "bubble" but never did I believe Michael seriously dating any of the women he was linked to. I can only believe the Lisa Marie one because Lisa herself said they fucked. This was after Michael left the Jehovah's Witness. But around the time Michael had met Stephanie, he was a strictly DEVOUT JW! Which means "no sex". I'm sure Stephanie did see Mike in his underwear and that they did kiss but that's all there was to it. The only time I would think Stephanie was making it bigger than it was when she said "oh Michael was a MAN to me!" But maybe that was to get them off their back with it.
Harley, I wonder if you knew that mentioning Mike's name in this board will trigger a million responses.
Shouldn't this board be in the Guinness Book of Records for that. I am sure it was a very brief relationship. But to say Stephanie is "tripping" and MJ couldn't bring himself to be next to a black woman, is a completely different scenario to saying the relationship was casual, which we all agree upon. LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why.  | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: looks at any performace of Dirty Diana and the watch any performance of the way you make me feel. if he had have the sexual engery he has with the mikestand of dirty diana that he does with whatever girl he is performaing i'd buy that shy stuff, but he has said he'd sleep on stage if you let him. The Way Make Me Feel http://www.youtube.com/wa...CvkiVHzF0A Dirty Diana http://www.youtube.com/wa...hYtutACQVk I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. i flirt with just about every person i meet whether they are male or female gay or straight does not mean i want to get them any better, it's just my personality. and i could post a clip of she who should not be mentioned having an orgy on stage so i don't think that kind of action publicity is hard to do. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: looks at any performace of Dirty Diana and the watch any performance of the way you make me feel. if he had have the sexual engery he has with the mikestand of dirty diana that he does with whatever girl he is performaing i'd buy that shy stuff, but he has said he'd sleep on stage if you let him. The Way Make Me Feel http://www.youtube.com/wa...CvkiVHzF0A Dirty Diana http://www.youtube.com/wa...hYtutACQVk I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. During the trial, they said that they aired a video of Mike pulling up Karen´s Faye t-shirt up to look at her butt while she was turned back. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. [Edited 9/3/07 11:46am] The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. | |
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: I am sure it was a very brief relationship. But to say Stephanie is "tripping" and MJ couldn't bring himself to be next to a black woman, is a completely different scenario to saying the relationship was casual, which we all agree upon. LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why. As for the latter, most likely because of a combination of his ego and paranoia. "Everybody is out to get me. Leave me alone!" This is just speculation, however.... | |
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Timmy84 said: dag said: I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. During the trial, they said that they aired a video of Mike pulling up Karen´s Faye t-shirt up to look at her butt while she was turned back. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. [Edited 9/3/07 11:46am] The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. This sounds insane...but we have to consider the possibility that he was actually attracted to the woman. Who knows for sure other than Michael Joseph Jackson? [Edited 9/3/07 11:51am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. i flirt with just about every person i meet whether they are male or female gay or straight does not mean i want to get them any better, it's just my personality. and i could post a clip of she who should not be mentioned having an orgy on stage so i don't think that kind of action publicity is hard to do.  cough Madonna cough | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. i flirt with just about every person i meet whether they are male or female gay or straight does not mean i want to get them any better, it's just my personality. and i could post a clip of she who should not be mentioned having an orgy on stage so i don't think that kind of action publicity is hard to do. Now that's true. Isaac Mizrahi and Clay Aiken are "gay" (ok Clay is a mystery but there's something very Barry Manilow about him ) but they both have been seen touching women's breasts. I actually don't like labels though. I mean if you only like girls or boys or whatever, that should be allowed and tolerated and not to be tagged as something bad. Like you said, people can flirt with anybody, it doesn't really tell you what that person is sexually. I actually think that anyone who flirts with ANYBODY is a "freak" and that's okay too, you should be free to "flirt when you wanna flirt", like Ron Isley said back in the day.  Like Patti LaBelle, that girl claims she's straight but she'd be checking other women's asses and breasts, don't mean she's a lesbian but it ain't no thang. | |
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Timmy84 said: dag said: I know what you mean. Maybe it´s harder when you have to be intimate with someone. I don´t know. I haven´t tried any of that publicaly. But I´ve seen him flirting with women. During the signing in NY in 2001, he even asked a girl for her phonenumber. During making of Stranger of Moscow, he was trying to pull of a bra of one of his make-up artists etc. During the trial, they said that they aired a video of Mike pulling up Karen´s Faye t-shirt up to look at her butt while she was turned back. Actually there´s a lot of behind the scenes footage where you can see him flirting with women. [Edited 9/3/07 11:46am] The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. NO, he was dead serious. haven´t you heard about her. She´s quite known among MJ fans. She´s very pretty and she has met MJ several times and he was serious about it. When his bodyguards tried to get her away from him, he yelled: "hey, I want her number!" And guess what? That girl was later on on E! giving interview about how they were lovers!  Normally, I would have thought "oh, another crazy fan", but I saw a footage of Mike asking for her phone-number! It has been somewhat confirmed that she got to Neverland, but later on Mike throuw her out after he found her with one of his enployees.
Anyways, just watch NY signing. She´s very pretty btw. Blond, perfect figure. Works as a model. [Edited 9/3/07 11:53am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. This sounds insane...but we have to consider the possibility that he was actually attracted to the woman. Who knows for sure other than Michael Joseph Jackson? [Edited 9/3/07 11:51am] That's your prerogative. Not that I see it the same way you do, chill, dude. | |
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: I am sure it was a very brief relationship. But to say Stephanie is "tripping" and MJ couldn't bring himself to be next to a black woman, is a completely different scenario to saying the relationship was casual, which we all agree upon. LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why. It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.[Edited 9/3/07 11:56am] | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. NO, he was dead serious. haven´t you heard about her. She´s quite known among MJ fans. She´s very pretty and she has met MJ several times and he was serious about it. When his bodyguards tried to get her away from him, he yelled: "hey, I want her number!" And guess what? That girl was later on on E! giving interview about how they were lovers! Normally, I would have thought "oh, another crazy fan", but I saw a footage of Mike asking for her phone-number! It has been somewhat confirmed that she got to Neverland, but later on Mike throuw her out after he found her with one of his enployees.
Anyways, just watch NY signing. She´s very pretty btw. Blond, perfect figure. Works as a model. [Edited 9/3/07 11:53am]
I think all of us can agree that whether or not Michael Jackson is homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual, he has quite a number of women who would willingly sleep with him. | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: The women he was flirting with were probably women he was comfortable with since he got a chance to know 'em. I don't know about the one at the signing. Maybe she looked cute but I'd think he was joking about that. NO, he was dead serious. haven´t you heard about her. She´s quite known among MJ fans. She´s very pretty and she has met MJ several times and he was serious about it. When his bodyguards tried to get her away from him, he yelled: "hey, I want her number!" And guess what? That girl was later on on E! giving interview about how they were lovers! Normally, I would have thought "oh, another crazy fan", but I saw a footage of Mike asking for her phone-number! It has been somewhat confirmed that she got to Neverland, but later on Mike throuw her out after he found her with one of his enployees.
Anyways, just watch NY signing. She´s very pretty btw. Blond, perfect figure. Works as a model. [Edited 9/3/07 11:53am] Oh shit... midnightmover is gonna say "see that just proves my point!" JUST WATCH!
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: I am sure it was a very brief relationship. But to say Stephanie is "tripping" and MJ couldn't bring himself to be next to a black woman, is a completely different scenario to saying the relationship was casual, which we all agree upon. LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why. It's what whatsgoingon was beefing on. Stephanie is exaggerating the relationship. In that sense she is tripping. Plus, we all know Mike has racial issues so even if he was to get intimate with someone I just don't think that person would be black. whatsgoingon doesn't want to hear about that, maybe because as a black woman she feels offended by it, but hey, don't get pissed with me, get pissed with Mike. Personally I love pussy in all shades. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Rodya24 said: dag said: NO, he was dead serious. haven´t you heard about her. She´s quite known among MJ fans. She´s very pretty and she has met MJ several times and he was serious about it. When his bodyguards tried to get her away from him, he yelled: "hey, I want her number!" And guess what? That girl was later on on E! giving interview about how they were lovers! Normally, I would have thought "oh, another crazy fan", but I saw a footage of Mike asking for her phone-number! It has been somewhat confirmed that she got to Neverland, but later on Mike throuw her out after he found her with one of his enployees.
Anyways, just watch NY signing. She´s very pretty btw. Blond, perfect figure. Works as a model. [Edited 9/3/07 11:53am]
I think all of us can agree that whether or not Michael Jackson is homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual, he has quite a number of women who would willingly sleep with him. No, he's a superfreak.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: This sounds insane...but we have to consider the possibility that he was actually attracted to the woman. Who knows for sure other than Michael Joseph Jackson? [Edited 9/3/07 11:51am] That's your prerogative. Not that I see it the same way you do, chill, dude. Dude, I am not upset. Others in thread seem to be, though.
I get upset when the conversation turns to his skin-color change. Anyways, I think he is a bisexual like all human beings. | |
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awww here's are pics from june 1977. There is one of them from like 1988-89 i can't find it right now though
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why. It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.
[Edited 9/3/07 11:56am] True. Actually, I would think if they wanted to, Michael and Stephanie would've been a great couple.  It's such a shame though that she found herself with abusive men. | |
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: That's your prerogative. Not that I see it the same way you do, chill, dude. Dude, I am not upset. Others in thread seem to be, though.
I get upset when the conversation turns to his skin-color change. Anyways, I think he is a bisexual like all human beings. True dat.  | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: LOL, so is this what y'all were beefing on?
I don't think Mike could bring himself to anybody, really, regardless of race, gender, etc., whatever, but the ones he did get close to, I would reckon he was comfortable with so and so. Every girl that probably KNEW Mike before Thriller though never saw him after that. I wonder why. It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.
[Edited 9/3/07 11:56am] So you think famous people can't lie? Sounds like you're a little star struck. Famous people are just as imperfect and flawed as anyone else. Hell, surely as a long term Mike watcher you should know that by now. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: It's like they are calling Stephanie a liar and that's what pissing me off. I mean if this was a nobody out of nowhere, then we can say all roll our eyes. I mean the amount of "Billie Jeans" that have come out and said they have actually had Michael babies and you know it's a load rubbish even though they go into greater detail than Stephanie could ever go into and yet some peeps want to put her in the same catergory as those whack-heads.
[Edited 9/3/07 11:56am] True. Actually, I would think if they wanted to, Michael and Stephanie would've been a great couple. It's such a shame though that she found herself with abusive men.I had no idea that Stephanie Mills found herself with abusive men. Man, that is awful....  | |
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mimi07 said: awww here's are pics from june 1977. There is one of them from like 1988-89 i can't find it right now though
I often wonder how their chemisty onstage would've been. As you know, Diana Ross got her out from doing Dorothy in the film version of "The Wiz". Imagine getting acquainted with one Dorothy and then find yourself in the film with a Dorothy you knew since childhood.
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: True. Actually, I would think if they wanted to, Michael and Stephanie would've been a great couple. It's such a shame though that she found herself with abusive men.I had no idea that Stephanie Mills found herself with abusive men. Man, that is awful.... Yeah, remember, she married Jeffrey Daniels of Shalamar. There has been a lot reports on their relationship and how Jeffrey used to slap Stephanie a lot. I think they were married for three years. Ironically, Jeffrey was the one who taught Mike the moonwalk and also was one of his backup dancers on the "Bad" tour. | |
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Rodya24 said: Timmy84 said: True. Actually, I would think if they wanted to, Michael and Stephanie would've been a great couple. It's such a shame though that she found herself with abusive men.I had no idea that Stephanie Mills found herself with abusive men. Man, that is awful.... Yeah, remember, she married Jeffrey Daniels of Shalamar. There has been a lot reports on their relationship and how Jeffrey used to slap Stephanie a lot. I think they were married for three years. Ironically, Jeffrey was the one who taught Mike the moonwalk and also was one of his backup dancers on the "Bad" tour. | |
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: i flirt with just about every person i meet whether they are male or female gay or straight does not mean i want to get them any better, it's just my personality. and i could post a clip of she who should not be mentioned having an orgy on stage so i don't think that kind of action publicity is hard to do. cough Madonna coughhttp://www.youtube.com/wa..._kQEEjFpnY You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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