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midnightmover said: I have no doubt about the little details about the laundry, etc, but she is making it out to be more than it was. She's trying to have her cake and eat it too. Encouraging people to think she was his girlfriend, but not wanting to lie too much at the same time, hence her slipperiness, which I'm sure you didn't even notice.
I agree -- the only one I've ever heard constantly trying to make this sound like some committed relationship over the years is Stephanie Mills. That's always been my issue, not that it didn't happen but it wasn't quite an involved as a relationship as Mills tries to make it out to be. It sounds like two teen-agers who spent time time together -- including going on some formal dates -- and when the sparks were not there they went on their separate ways amicably. It's not like you hear (from Mills or MJ) why MJ was attracted to her; I've always heard that she had a crush on him, like a lot of young black ladies did in the mid-1970s. It sounds like it was an arranged meeting by Andy Warhol, they hanged out and later decided there wasn't a lot of chemistry. The comments where she said "I thought I was going to marry him" may have been her fondest hope at that time like any smitten teen-aged girl for MJ, but it wasn't some committed relationship like she implied in that statement (or further statements). [Edited 9/3/07 10:04am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: midnightmover said: I have no doubt about the little details about the laundry, etc, but she is making it out to be more than it was. She's trying to have her cake and eat it too. Encouraging people to think she was his girlfriend, but not wanting to lie too much at the same time, hence her slipperiness, which I'm sure you didn't even notice.
I agree -- the only one I've ever heard constantly trying to make this sound like some committed relationship over the years is Stephanie Mills. That's always been my issue, not that it didn't happen but wasn't quite an involved as relationship as Mills makes it out to be. It sounds like two teen-agers who spent time time together -- including going on some formal dates -- and when the sparks were not there they went on their separate ways amicably. It's not like you hear (from Mills or MJ) why MJ was attracted to her; I've always heard that she had a crush on him, like a lot of young black ladies were in the mid-1970s. It sounds like it was an arranged meeting by Andy Warhol, they hanged out and later decided there wasn't a lot of chemistry. The comments where she said "I thought I was going to marry" may have been her fondest hope at that time like any smitten girl for MJ, but it wasn't some committed relationship like she implied in that statement (or further statements). The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills. And the only thing she said that makes people question her story is she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser". If she said everything else and left out that part we wouldn't even be having this conversation. [Edited 9/3/07 10:06am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: DawnD said: Some of you behave as though you want him to be gay! What if he's not gay, would that be such a disappointment? Jeez! more and more i believe Michael is asexual. What the hell is asexual? I only know of straight, gay, and bisexual.  | |
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Rodya24 said: midnightmover said: Those are the only two options to label Mike with. One or the other. Oh and you're totally right about female sexuality being more fluid than men's. The amount of heterosexual women who have "gone gay" for periods in their lives is staggering. But how do you explain the staggering amount of adult heterosexual porn found in his home. The prosecution was hoping to paint him as a homosexual...but the stash of adult heterosexual porn backfired on them. And the fact that unlike Tom Cruise (at least to my knowledge) no male adult individuals have come forth claiming to be his lover..... Then again, there might have been, and I am not familiar with them. I do not read the tabloids. Just to protect my reputation here. I don't read tabloids either.  In fact I don't read newspapers at all these days, lol.“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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DawnD said: ehuffnsd said: more and more i believe Michael is asexual. What the hell is asexual? I only know of straight, gay, and bisexual. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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whatsgoingon said: The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills.
It sounds like midnightmover is saying both Michael Jackson may have had some nascent issues about his appearance in the context of race and Stephanie Mills is making this sound more like a committed relationship than it really was (his primary criticism). whatsgoingon said: And the only thing she said that makes people question her story is she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser". If she said everything else and left out that part we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Midnightmover questioned the "good kisser" comment more out of Mills' comments regarding this relationship. Like I said, Mills is giving the impression that her relationship with MJ was more than casual dating. [Edited 9/3/07 10:27am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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DawnD said: ehuffnsd said: more and more i believe Michael is asexual. What the hell is asexual? I only know of straight, gay, and bisexual. asexual are people who have no sexual attraction or desire. http://www.asexuality.org/home/ [Edited 9/3/07 10:10am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midnightmover said: ehuffnsd said: yes there are certain natural traits to women and men because of their biology but there are things like gender norms which are purely the work of culture and society. [Edited 9/3/07 9:48am] Agreed, but some would have you believe that gender is just a social construct from top to bottom. It's not. yeah, human experience is biological and social. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midnightmover said: Agreed, but some would have you believe that gender is just a social construct from top to bottom. It's not. yeah, human experience is biological and social. But you are making artificial binaries: biological and social. How we view the "biological" is socially constructed as well. [Edited 9/3/07 10:15am] | |
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Najee said: whatsgoingon said: The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills.
It sounds like midnightmover is saying both Michael Jackson may have had some nascent issues about his appearance in the context of race and Stephanie Mills is making this sound more like a committed relationship than it really was (his primary criticism). [Edited 9/3/07 10:16am] As for Stephanie, like I said the girl is tripping. Even if Michael did like women there is no way he would go near a black woman. Check it out. Mike says he dated Tatum O Neal. She denies it. Mike said he dated Broke Shields. She denies it. Yet here is a perfectly good black woman who is more than happy to be romantically linked to him and yet Michael is silent about it. He can't even stand to see any trace of ethnicity in his own children. So please don't tell me he was rolling in the hay with Stephanie, or indeed any black person
The above was Midnightmover quote, he was being very presumptious that in 1978 Michael could NEVER go near a black woman regardless how brief or casual that relationship may be. It has nothing to do with how serious the relationship was. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Najee said: I agree -- the only one I've ever heard constantly trying to make this sound like some committed relationship over the years is Stephanie Mills. That's always been my issue, not that it didn't happen but wasn't quite an involved as relationship as Mills makes it out to be. It sounds like two teen-agers who spent time time together -- including going on some formal dates -- and when the sparks were not there they went on their separate ways amicably. It's not like you hear (from Mills or MJ) why MJ was attracted to her; I've always heard that she had a crush on him, like a lot of young black ladies were in the mid-1970s. It sounds like it was an arranged meeting by Andy Warhol, they hanged out and later decided there wasn't a lot of chemistry. The comments where she said "I thought I was going to marry" may have been her fondest hope at that time like any smitten girl for MJ, but it wasn't some committed relationship like she implied in that statement (or further statements). The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills. And the only thing she said that makes people question her story is she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser". If she said everything else and left out that part we wouldn't even be having this conversation. [Edited 9/3/07 10:06am] No, I don't think Michael could bring himself to go with a woman at all in 1978. His behaviour with Tatum O Neal makes that clear. But the fact that she was black makes it even more improbable. And the fact that he was willing to claim Tatum and Brooke as girlfriends, even when they contradicted him, yet wasn't willing to claim Stephanie as a girlfriend, who would have happily gone along with it, only further underlines his racial issues. It would be extremely naive to think that those issues just came out of nowhere in 1980. Another thing is that even then, Michael's non musical friends like David Guest and others were white. Again, that wasn't known at the time which is one reason you're having a hard time facing up to it. (Just for the record, that other white friend of Mike's from the 70s was the one who said "We never talked about girls" in a Channel 4 documentary from 2005). “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: yeah, human experience is biological and social. But you are making artificial binaries: biological and social. How we view the "biological" is socially constructed as well. [Edited 9/3/07 10:15am] i agree, and for the most part we can't seperate them You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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whatsgoingon said: The above was Midnightmover quote, he was being very presumptious that in 1978 Michael could NEVER go near a black woman regardless how brief or casual that relationship may be. It has nothing to do with how serious the relationship was.
Well, his first statement regarding Stephanie Mills' "tripping" is a direct criticism of her details of their relationship. I have to agree with him in one respect -- I don't feel that Michael Jackson and Mills were a committed couple as she has stated. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: whatsgoingon said: The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills.
It sounds like midnightmover is saying both Michael Jackson may have had some nascent issues about his appearance in the context of race and Stephanie Mills is making this sound more like a committed relationship than it really was (his primary criticism). whatsgoingon said: And the only thing she said that makes people question her story is she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser". If she said everything else and left out that part we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Midnightmover questioned the "good kisser" comment more out of Mills' comments this relationship. Like I said, Mills is giving the impression that her relationship with MJ was more than casual dating. [Edited 9/3/07 10:22am]  Spot on. She is implying there was a romance, but at the same time being careful not to lie too much. Hence she makes comments about him looking cute in his underwear which can be seen as implying intimacy, but can also be taken as just two platonic friends hanging out. When pressed on whether they "tongue kissed" she's careful not to directly answer. She talks about washing his underwear which again gives the impression of intimacy, but is also ambiguous. Anyone with any basic awareness of human behaviour should be able to spot how slippery she's being here. whatsgoingon doesn't want to see it beecause it would ruin her own childhood fantasies about Michael.[Edited 9/3/07 10:31am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Anyways,I´d like to respond to some posts over here. I don´t understand what Stephanie meant by saying she was too black for him, but that does not imply to me that he does not want to be link to black women since he has never hid his love for Diana Ross. And he claims (whether it is true or not) that Blanket´s mother is black. As for Lisa Marie, even Priscilla (who does not "love" mike that much) said that he was interested in Lisa way before all the allegations. And lastly, whoever said Mike was asexual... Haven´t you seen him onstage? Even if he was only half as wild in bed as he is onstage... Plus all that porn found in Neverland....how could he be asexual? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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DawnD said: Jezebel said: girlfriends, my ass. Mike was straight up TERRIFIED of women, point blank.
 "Terrified of women," PLEASE! I know allot of folks would like to believe so. Due to his actions on television and the way that he wants folks to believe he behaves it proves his point that he can at times manipulate the media. MJ has some doggish ways just like some other men. A reporter(a white/blond female) had visited his home to interview him. And, SHE said that he tried to put the moves on her and was very macho. This was during the time he was married to Lisa Marie Presley. The reporter said, MJ even had the audacity to come on to her and admitted to her,"Come on, Lisa Marie is out shopping!" Dog!
Hey, I didn't make this up. Can't remember the reporters name. But, she did admit this either on fox news or some entertainment program. Hell, even i was shocked. But, unfortunately for allot of folks who want to believe MJ is scared of pussy, poor guy probably gets more thrown his way than 50cent, Jay-Z, Z, Prince, Kenye West, R. Kelley, and others put together. Don't believe the MJ's scared of pussy hype. That man will get it whether a woman is married or single. He doesn't have to force himself on anyone. With his porn lovin' ass. I love him to death, though. Sir, is the business!  I´ve heard about this as well. Wasn´t it the rjournalist doing this report? http://www.youtube.com/wa...NtUHYzMUdQ Looking hot BTW! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: Spot on. She is implying there was a romance, but at the same time being careful not to lie too much. Hence she makes comments about him looking cute in his underwear which can be seen as implying intimacy, but can also be taken as just two platonic friends hanging out.Stephanie Mills implied that not only with the "good kisser" and "he looks cute in his underwear" comments, but with other comments such as she thought she "was going to marry" Michael and "take a guess" where he kissed her. Even the first comment about "I was his only little chocolate drop" suggests an intimate portrayal. As for the race comment, Mills also did say "but you know, I'm a little too dark for him." So it came from somewhere -- maybe an evaluation of his relationships going forward or even hints MJ may have dropped back in the 1970s, but it's all speculation because Mills never elaborated on it. [Edited 9/3/07 10:37am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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dag said: 4 pages of discussion after few hours!
Anyways,I´d like to respond to some posts over here. I don´t understand what Stephanie meant by saying she was too black for him, but that does not imply to me that he does not want to be link to black women since he has never hid his love for Diana Ross. And he claims (whether it is true or not) that Blanket´s mother is black. As for Lisa Marie, even Priscilla (who does not "love" mike that much) said that he was interested in Lisa way before all the allegations. And lastly, whoever said Mike was asexual... Haven´t you seen him onstage? Even if he was only half as wild in bed as he is onstage... Plus all that porn found in Neverland....how could he be asexual? onstage Michael says he does what the music tells him to do. And when he is interacting with someone on stage it just seems like he's very uncomfortable with that person being there. Same as his interactions with women in videos. The hug with Iman in Remember the Time is almost freaking Aframe hug. For all we know he may have had the porn as something to have for the kids, not in a pedophile way but as something to make it more of wonderland for prepubsecent boys, because i remember when i was 10-13 year boy my older brother was always sneaking around the house to find my dad and oldest brothers porn. it would make sense to have toys, videogames, rides and porn. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midnightmover said: whatsgoingon said: The difference between your take on it and Midnightmover is the fact that Midnightmover believes that back in 1978 Michael could NOT bring himself to get close in anyway possible to a black woman, meaning even to have a smooch with a black woman would have been impossible. And that's where I disagree with him. I am not saying it was a serious relationship, but that doesn't mean at that particular time he found it hard to date someone like Stephanie Mills. And the only thing she said that makes people question her story is she said they kissed and he was a "good kisser". If she said everything else and left out that part we wouldn't even be having this conversation. [Edited 9/3/07 10:06am] No, I don't think Michael could bring himself to go with a woman at all in 1978. His behaviour with Tatum O Neal makes that clear. But the fact that she was black makes it even more improbable. And the fact that he was willing to claim Tatum and Brooke as girlfriends, even when they contradicted him, yet wasn't willing to claim Stephanie as a girlfriend, who would have happily gone along with it, only further underlines his racial issues. It would be extremely naive to think that those issues just came out of nowhere in 1980. Another thing is that even then, Michael's non musical friends like David Guest and others were white. Again, that wasn't known at the time which is one reason you're having a hard time facing up to it. (Just for the record, that other white friend of Mike's from the 70s was the one who said "We never talked about girls" in a Channel 4 documentary from 2005). Have you read Tatum O'Neal biography, where she says Michael try to "Jump on her", when he was 17? I guess she is making that up too. The same girl that contradicted him, wrote something a little different in her biography. So don't talk about facts to me. And just because he didn't mention Stephanie in the same vein as Tatum and Brooke whats that got to do with who he kissed her or not. He called Diana Ross his "Mother/Lover/Sister/Friend", that doesn't mean I think he had some love affair with Diana Ross, so stop talking to me like I don't know what I am talking about. It's not my childhood fantasies it's more about your OWN persumptions!! [Edited 9/3/07 10:37am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: 4 pages of discussion after few hours!
Anyways,I´d like to respond to some posts over here. I don´t understand what Stephanie meant by saying she was too black for him, but that does not imply to me that he does not want to be link to black women since he has never hid his love for Diana Ross. And he claims (whether it is true or not) that Blanket´s mother is black. As for Lisa Marie, even Priscilla (who does not "love" mike that much) said that he was interested in Lisa way before all the allegations. And lastly, whoever said Mike was asexual... Haven´t you seen him onstage? Even if he was only half as wild in bed as he is onstage... Plus all that porn found in Neverland....how could he be asexual? onstage Michael says he does what the music tells him to do. And when he is interacting with someone on stage it just seems like he's very uncomfortable with that person being there. Same as his interactions with women in videos. The hug with Iman in Remember the Time is almost freaking Aframe hug. For all we know he may have had the porn as something to have for the kids, not in a pedophile way but as something to make it more of wonderland for prepubsecent boys, because i remember when i was 10-13 year boy my older brother was always sneaking around the house to find my dad and oldest brothers porn. it would make sense to have toys, videogames, rides and porn. EDIT: It seems that all of us are going in circles. Midnightmover believes he is homosexual. You believe he is asexual. I believe he is bisexual like all human beings. Nothing we write will convince one another otherwise. [Edited 9/3/07 10:37am] [Edited 9/3/07 10:48am] | |
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: onstage Michael says he does what the music tells him to do. And when he is interacting with someone on stage it just seems like he's very uncomfortable with that person being there. Same as his interactions with women in videos. The hug with Iman in Remember the Time is almost freaking Aframe hug. For all we know he may have had the porn as something to have for the kids, not in a pedophile way but as something to make it more of wonderland for prepubsecent boys, because i remember when i was 10-13 year boy my older brother was always sneaking around the house to find my dad and oldest brothers porn. it would make sense to have toys, videogames, rides and porn. The stash of porn that I was referring to was locked up in a suitcase. how much makes a stash? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Rodya24 said: The stash of porn that I was referring to was locked up in a suitcase. how much makes a stash? I have no idea. All I know from reading court transcripts is that there was enough in that particular suitcase. 
EDIT: It seems that all of us are going in circles. Midnightmover believes he is homosexual. You believe he is asexual. I believe he is bisexual like all human beings. Others believe he is heterosexual. Nothing we write will convince one another otherwise. [Edited 9/3/07 10:50am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: midnightmover said: No, I don't think Michael could bring himself to go with a woman at all in 1978. His behaviour with Tatum O Neal makes that clear. But the fact that she was black makes it even more improbable. And the fact that he was willing to claim Tatum and Brooke as girlfriends, even when they contradicted him, yet wasn't willing to claim Stephanie as a girlfriend, who would have happily gone along with it, only further underlines his racial issues. It would be extremely naive to think that those issues just came out of nowhere in 1980. Another thing is that even then, Michael's non musical friends like David Guest and others were white. Again, that wasn't known at the time which is one reason you're having a hard time facing up to it. (Just for the record, that other white friend of Mike's from the 70s was the one who said "We never talked about girls" in a Channel 4 documentary from 2005). Have you read Tatum O'Neal biography, where she says Michael try to "Jump on her", when he was 17? I guess she is making that up too. The same girl that contradicted him, wrote something a little different in her biography. So don't talk about facts to me. And just because he didn't mention Stephanie in the same vein as Tatum and Brooke whats that got to do with who he kissed her or not. He called Diana Ross his "Mother/Lover/Sister/Friend", that doesn't mean I think he had some love affair with Diana Ross, so stop talking to me like I don't know what I am talking about. It's not my childhood fantasies it's more about your OWN persumptions!! [Edited 9/3/07 10:37am] True about Tatuam O'Neal. What is hilarious is that Tatum has written that Michael tried to seduce her, and Micheal has said that Tatum tried to seduce him. | |
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Najee said: midnightmover said: Spot on. She is implying there was a romance, but at the same time being careful not to lie too much. Hence she makes comments about him looking cute in his underwear which can be seen as implying intimacy, but can also be taken as just two platonic friends hanging out.Stephanie Mills implied that not only with the "good kisser" and "he looks cute in his underwear" comments, but with other comments such as she thought she "was going to marry" Michael and "take a guess" where he kissed her. Even the first comment about "I was his only little chocolate drop" suggests an intimate portrayal. As for the race comment, Mills also did say "but you know, I'm a little too dark for him." So it came from somewhere -- maybe an evaluation of his relationships going forward or even hints MJ may have dropped back in the 1970s, but it's all speculation because Mills never elaborated on it. [Edited 9/3/07 10:37am] But that's still different from saying that he could never go "near a black woman". That is being too presumptious because at the end of the day we do NOT know Michael personally, Stephanie Mills does know him personally, so for someone like Midnightmover to come and claim she is "tripping" because she said something completley contrary to his whole belief of Michael Jackson is more about Midnightmover own assumptions than anything else. It's almost like he is angry because she didn't say what was expected. It's like these people that don't believe Michael and Lisa had a sexual relationship even if they did marry for ulterior motives, it's like they so want to believe Michael is gay or scare of women, that they can't even fathom him having a sexual relationship with his wife. Whereas with me even if he is gay I don't see why such a thing is so hard to fathom. And it's not about my own fantasies about Michael, it's more about the fact anything is possible and as long as I am not there in his life, I personally can NEVER really be that presumptious. [Edited 9/3/07 10:57am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: 4 pages of discussion after few hours!
Anyways,I´d like to respond to some posts over here. I don´t understand what Stephanie meant by saying she was too black for him, but that does not imply to me that he does not want to be link to black women since he has never hid his love for Diana Ross. And he claims (whether it is true or not) that Blanket´s mother is black. As for Lisa Marie, even Priscilla (who does not "love" mike that much) said that he was interested in Lisa way before all the allegations. And lastly, whoever said Mike was asexual... Haven´t you seen him onstage? Even if he was only half as wild in bed as he is onstage... Plus all that porn found in Neverland....how could he be asexual? onstage Michael says he does what the music tells him to do. And when he is interacting with someone on stage it just seems like he's very uncomfortable with that person being there. Same as his interactions with women in videos. The hug with Iman in Remember the Time is almost freaking Aframe hug. For all we know he may have had the porn as something to have for the kids, not in a pedophile way but as something to make it more of wonderland for prepubsecent boys, because i remember when i was 10-13 year boy my older brother was always sneaking around the house to find my dad and oldest brothers porn. it would make sense to have toys, videogames, rides and porn. We all see it through our "own" eyes. For example I understand his shyness in front of others. I don´t like being intimate or sexy in front of an audience, but that doesn´t mean that I am asexual. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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ehuffnsd said: DawnD said: What the hell is asexual? I only know of straight, gay, and bisexual. asexual are people who have no sexual attraction or desire. http://www.asexuality.org/home/ [Edited 9/3/07 10:10am] Oh, okay. And, some think MJ is like that!?! Gosh! The man is private, he ain't dead! | |
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whatsgoingon said: Have you read Tatum O'Neal biography, where she says Michael try to "Jump on her", when he was 17? I guess she is making that up too. The same girl that contradicted him, wrote something a little different in her biography. So don't talk about facts to me. The point is she denied they were boyfriend and girlfriend which is what Mike claimed in his autobiography. Therefore she contradicted him. On the other hand, here's a perfectly good black woman who is happy to be associated with him and he never claims her as a "girlfriend". Don't you think it's a bit of a coincidence that the girl he overlooks just happens to be black? Please. He called Diana Ross his "Mother/Lover/Sister/Friend", that doesn't mean I think he had some love affair with Diana Ross, so stop talking to me like I don't know what I am talking about. It's not my childhood fantasies it's more about your OWN persumptions!!
Before we continue I think you need to calm down. I've obviously hit a raw nerve here and now you're getting unbalanced and making one irrelevant point after another. What does the Diana Ross comment have to do with anything? It's like these people that don't believe Michael and Lisa had a sexual relationship even if they did marry for ulterior motives, it's like they so want to believe Michael is gay or scare of women, that they can't even fathom him having a sexual relationship with his wife. Whereas with me even if he is gay I don't see why such a thing is so hard to fathom. Another irrelevant comment. No one here is saying he never slept with Lisa Marie so why are you going on about it? “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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dag said: DawnD said: "Terrified of women," PLEASE! I know allot of folks would like to believe so. Due to his actions on television and the way that he wants folks to believe he behaves it proves his point that he can at times manipulate the media. MJ has some doggish ways just like some other men. A reporter(a white/blond female) had visited his home to interview him. And, SHE said that he tried to put the moves on her and was very macho. This was during the time he was married to Lisa Marie Presley. The reporter said, MJ even had the audacity to come on to her and admitted to her,"Come on, Lisa Marie is out shopping!" Dog!
Hey, I didn't make this up. Can't remember the reporters name. But, she did admit this either on fox news or some entertainment program. Hell, even i was shocked. But, unfortunately for allot of folks who want to believe MJ is scared of pussy, poor guy probably gets more thrown his way than 50cent, Jay-Z, Z, Prince, Kenye West, R. Kelley, and others put together. Don't believe the MJ's scared of pussy hype. That man will get it whether a woman is married or single. He doesn't have to force himself on anyone. With his porn lovin' ass. I love him to death, though. Sir, is the business! I´ve heard about this as well. Wasn´t it the rjournalist doing this report? http://www.youtube.com/wa...NtUHYzMUdQ Looking hot BTW! Thank you! Thank you! | |
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midnightmover said: whatsgoingon said: Have you read Tatum O'Neal biography, where she says Michael try to "Jump on her", when he was 17? I guess she is making that up too. The same girl that contradicted him, wrote something a little different in her biography. So don't talk about facts to me. The point is she denied they were boyfriend and girlfriend which is what Mike claimed in his autobiography. Therefore she contradicted him. On the other hand, here's a perfectly good black woman who is happy to be associated with him and he never claims her as a "girlfriend". Don't you think it's a bit of a coincidence that the girl he overlooks just happens to be black? Please. Before we continue I think you need to calm down. I've obviously hit a raw nerve here and now you're getting unbalanced and making one irrelevant point after another. What does the Diana Ross comment have to do with anything? It's like these people that don't believe Michael and Lisa had a sexual relationship even if they did marry for ulterior motives, it's like they so want to believe Michael is gay or scare of women, that they can't even fathom him having a sexual relationship with his wife. Whereas with me even if he is gay I don't see why such a thing is so hard to fathom. Another irrelevant comment. No one here is saying he never slept with Lisa Marie so why are you going on about it? No I am not getting unbalance, I just don't like people being overly presumptious, like you obviously are. And its not about anyone's fantasies. It's about you going on about a woman, who you don't know "tripping" because you can't fathom certain things. We already know MJ has deep seated race issues, but what has that got to do with never being able to get close to a black woman back in 1978. Regardless whether he mentions Tatum and Brooke as his girlfriends and not Stephanie. It still has nothing to do with what she said. It's not even really about Michael, it's about Stephanie. As Harlepolis said she was being a "lady". She was asked a question and she answered, she wasn't boasting. She didn't write a book or make it into a tabloid headline. And just because you have a concept about Michael which may or may not be true she is "tripping".  That's whats making me angry. | |
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Three years ago, I would've believed Michael having something with Stephanie but now that I'm hearing the interview again, I don't think they were as close as she's trying to say. I tried to see if anyone else had any accounts of their relationship, if there ever was one. But if you watched "Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood", you'd already known that around that time, Michael was torn between his stage behavior and his off-stage behavior. Onstage, he came on that stage with reckless abandon, something triggered Michael offstage and forced him to sit in his bubble. I reckon he's still in that "bubble" but never did I believe Michael seriously dating any of the women he was linked to. I can only believe the Lisa Marie one because Lisa herself said they fucked. This was after Michael left the Jehovah's Witness. But around the time Michael had met Stephanie, he was a strictly DEVOUT JW! Which means "no sex". I'm sure Stephanie did see Mike in his underwear and that they did kiss but that's all there was to it. The only time I would think Stephanie was making it bigger than it was when she said "oh Michael was a MAN to me!" But maybe that was to get them off their back with it.
Harley, I wonder if you knew that mentioning Mike's name in this board will trigger a million responses.
Shouldn't this board be in the Guinness Book of Records for that. | |
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