I too believe that both his marriages were for ulterior motives, but having said it doesn't mean he didn't have sexual relationship with any of them. I definetly believe he had a sexual relationship with Lisa Marie if not Debbie. I mean even though Lisa has admitted she believed she was used, she has also admitted they had a sexual relationship, but I guess some of you are so convinced he can't have any kind of relationship with a women that you probably think she is lying.

whatsgoingon said:

You also can theorize a possible reason someone like Lisa Marie Presley would broadcast it is because she doesn't want the tag of "dating/marrying/being with the questionable guy." Most people associate Michael Jackson with not-so-masculine stereotypes (some bordering on feminine traits) and a woman dating such a man can be seen as a cover-up for his issues. So in order to make themselves look good, the woman will make statements along the lines of, "Michael is a REAL man!" to get a rise of some manner.

As a child of the late 1970s, the Mills/MJ dating talk was going on then so I did (and still do) believe it happened. I just don't think it was anything more than casual dating/going-out things given their ages and where each person was in life. Also, some of Mills' comments in that interview seem to go from alternately distant to somewhat very personal -- the dichotomy is a little too extreme, so I believe she embellished a little too much on the extent of the relationship.

whatsgoingon said:

You also can theorize a possible reason someone like Lisa Marie Presley would broadcast it is because she doesn't want the tag of "dating/marrying/being with the questionable guy." Most people associate Michael Jackson with not-so-masculine stereotypes (some bordering on feminine traits) and a woman dating such a man can be seen as a cover-up for his issues. So in order to make themselves look good, the woman will make statements along the lines of, "Michael is a REAL man!" to get a rise of some manner.

As a child of the late 1970s, the Mills/MJ dating talk was going on then so I did (and still do) believe it happened. I just don't think it was anything more than casual dating/going-out things given their ages and where each person was in life. Also, some of Mills' comments in that interview seem to go from alternately distant to somewhat very personal -- the dichotomy is a little too extreme, so I believe she embellished a little too much on the extent of the relationship.

Jezebel said:

"Terrified of women," PLEASE! I know allot of folks would like to believe so. Due to his actions on television and the way that he wants folks to believe he behaves it proves his point that he can at times manipulate the media. MJ has some doggish ways just like some other men. A reporter(a white/blond female) had visited his home to interview him. And, SHE said that he tried to put the moves on her and was very macho. This was during the time he was married to
Lisa Marie Presley. The reporter said, MJ even had the audacity to come on to her and admitted to her,"Come on, Lisa Marie is out shopping!" Dog!
Hey, I didn't make this up. Can't remember the reporters name. But, she did admit this either on fox news or some entertainment program. Hell, even i was shocked. But, unfortunately for allot of folks who want to believe MJ is scared of pussy, poor guy probably gets more thrown his way than 50cent, Jay-Z, Z, Prince, Kenye West, R. Kelley, and others put together. Don't believe the MJ's scared of pussy hype. That man will get it whether a woman is married or single. He doesn't have to force himself on anyone. With his porn lovin' ass. I love him to death, though. Sir, is the business!

Then WHY did Lisa Marie Presley follow Michael Jackson around after their marriage ended? A fact that she CONVENIENTLY forgets to talk about in her interviews, but clips and pictures of them together after their divorce are available to view on YouTube and other Internet forums. She followed him around during and after the HISTORY TOUR as "friends" -- a fact confirmed BY DEBRA ROWE. To be honest, MY RESPECT for Michael Jackson fell after seeing these pictures. HE was MOST LIKELY cheating on his second wife. The peace-loving man is flawed, after all.

Rodya24 said:

That's funny, I never said that Lisa Marie Presley had any animosity toward Michael Jackson. They later reconciled until their final break-up in 1999 and still remain on friendly terms. It also doesn't she was whipped, either.

It's interesting you're throwing off on people speculating on MJ's personal life and then you spend a paragraph doing the same thing. You're worried about the wood in some people's eyes while carrying a 2-by-4 on your back.

I am not saying it was a big, love, affair either, but that doesn't mean nothing happened at all. And even if MJ is gay, well we all know that there are many gay men out there that have had sexual relationships with women. I don't see it being impossible that he had a sexual relationship with at least one of his wives, unlike some people I don't find it beyond comprehension.

whatsgoingon said:

I never doubted that Stephanie Mills and Michael Jackson did date -- just that based on what I remembered in the 1970s when this came out and through her interview at the beginning of the thread, it was evidently nothing more than two teen-agers on some casual-type dates. Mills always admitted she had a crush on MJ and going out with him was one of those "dream come true" moments.

I feel Mills embellished on some of the things she said in that interview -- earlier, she said she hadn't kept in contact with MJ since the start of the "Thriller" years but yet at the end of the interview she makes a half-hearted threat to the guys interviewing her that she would get MJ to make an appearance at the studio and they wouldn't be clowning him the way they were (suggesting she does keep in contact with him). That and some of the other things Mills said seem to be in conflict with each other, and not because of some belief about MJ's sexuality (which I did not offer).
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whatsgoingon said:

I never doubted that Stephanie Mills and Michael Jackson did date -- just that based on what I remembered in the 1970s when this came out and through her interview at the beginning of the thread, it was evidently nothing more than two teen-agers on some casual-type dates. Mills always admitted she had a crush on MJ and going out with him was one of those "dream come true" moments.

I feel Mills embellished on some of the things she said in that interview -- earlier, she said she hadn't kept in contact with MJ since the start of the "Thriller" years but yet at the end of the interview she makes a half-hearted threat to the guys interviewing her that she would get MJ to make an appearance at the studio and they wouldn't be clowning him the way they were (suggesting she does keep in contact with him). That and some of the other things Mills said seem to be in conflict with each other, and not because of some belief about MJ's sexuality (which I did not offer).
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midnightmover said:

Why are some of you getting irate over this. I am one of Michael's biggest critics, but as someone said this happened along time ago. Some one asked Stephanie a question and she answered it. If the presenter hadn't have asked her the question we wouldn't be discussing it here, because it definetly isn't something she boasts about. They were close friends, even in Michael Biography he said that Stephanie was a "friend" of his around the time of the Wiz, although he didn't go into details on how friendly they were. So, they didn't have sex is that so unusual? But there was some kind of short romance there which happened when he was 20. I think some of you are so convinced that he is gay or worse, that the thought of him even briefly being romantic with a woman sends some of you over the edge.

I too believe that both his marriages were for ulterior motives, but having said it doesn't mean he didn't have sexual relationship with any of them. I definetly believe he had a sexual relationship with Lisa Marie if not Debbie. I mean even though Lisa has admitted she believed she was used, she has also admitted they had a sexual relationship, but I guess some of you are so convinced he can't have any kind of relationship with a women that you probably think she is lying.

Well, I did see a picture of Stephanie and Micahel during the Bad tour so she obviously came into contact with him at least one more time after Thriller.

You seem to know quite a bit about Michael Jackson. Are a you an ex-hardcore fan?

I am just throwing this fact out there. She followed him around during and after the HISTORY TOUR.

Najee said:

You seem to know quite a bit about Michael Jackson. Are a you an ex-hardcore fan?

whatsgoingon said:

When did I say Mike never had sex with Lisa Marie? That was a crisis moment in Mike's life when his reputation was on the line. I have no doubt that, in those circumstances, Michael probably gritted his teeth and did what he had to do. Lisa has said that they had sex but that Mike was reluctant. Which is similar to what Tom Cruise's first wife said about him. I don't think you realise that gay men are perfectly capable of having sex with women. Many of them don't want to be gay and often get married and have kids. That doesn't stop them being gay. It just means they feel unable to declare to the world what they are. We're all grown ups here so I shouldn't need to be explaining this. There's a republican senator who has been exposed for this just two days ago.

It's a general truism of human nature that people often blind themselves to things that they don't want to see. This is how the American government was able to sell a war to the people, even though they're alledged reasons made no logical sense. Most people were willfully blind. Politicians and psychologists have always known that. In this case there are many MJ fans who can't stand to think that Michael could be gay. I'm not talking about the usual loons here. I'm talking about people like you who in other areas are very perceptive about Michael, but on this issue you turn every bit as short sighted as any kop fan. There is an inate homophobia in this. Why do you think there are so few openly gay actors or singers? Because they know the general public are uncomfortable with homosexuality. You are showing this right now.

As for Stephanie, like I said the girl is tripping. Even if Michael did like women there is no way he would go near a black woman. Check it out. Mike says he dated Tatum O Neal. She denies it. Mike said he dated Broke Shields. She denies it. Yet here is a perfectly good black woman who is more than happy to be romantically linked to him and yet Michael is silent about it. He can't even stand to see any trace of ethnicity in his own children. So please don't tell me he was rolling in the hay with Stephanie, or indeed any black person.

Rodya24 said:

I don't think you need to be an hard-core fans to know about Stephanie and MJ, because as Najee has said these things were mentioned briefly at the time. It's like Tatum and Brooke back in the early 80s late 70s it was a known fact that he was linked to these two.

whatsgoingon said:

When did I say Mike never had sex with Lisa Marie? That was a crisis moment in Mike's life when his reputation was on the line. I have no doubt that, in those circumstances, Michael probably gritted his teeth and did what he had to do. Lisa has said that they had sex but that Mike was reluctant. Which is similar to what Tom Cruise's first wife said about him. I don't think you realise that gay men are perfectly capable of having sex with women. Many of them don't want to be gay and often get married and have kids. That doesn't stop them being gay. It just means they feel unable to declare to the world what they are. We're all grown ups here so I shouldn't need to be explaining this. There's a republican senator who has been exposed for this just two days ago.

It's a general truism of human nature that people often blind themselves to things that they don't want to see. This is how the American government was able to sell a war to the people, even though their alledged reasons made no logical sense. Most people were willfully blind. Politicians and psychologists have always known that. In this case there are many MJ fans who can't stand to think that Michael could be gay. I'm not talking about the usual loons here. I'm talking about people like you who in other areas are very perceptive about Michael, but on this issue you turn every bit as short sighted as any kop fan. There is an inate homophobia in this. Why do you think there are so few openly gay actors or singers? Because they know the general public are uncomfortable with homosexuality. You are showing this right now.

As for Stephanie, like I said the girl is tripping. Even if Michael did like women there is no way he would go near a black woman. Check it out. Mike says he dated Tatum O Neal. She denies it. Mike said he dated Broke Shields. She denies it. Yet here is a perfectly good black woman who is more than happy to be romantically linked to him and yet Michael is silent about it. He can't even stand to see any trace of ethnicity in his own children. So please don't tell me he was rolling in the hay with Stephanie, or indeed any black person.
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I thought judging from comments made by you and jn2 that you did not believe it was possible for Michael to have had sex with his first wife. You obviously do. So, no need to discuss further since both of us agree that it was most likely they did -- whether or not Michael is a heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, etc.

Rodya24 said:

You assumed. Wrongly. The debate is not whether or not he had sex with Lisa Marie, but whether or not he's gay. Some of you don't seem to realise that gay men can possibly have sex with women. I feel like a big bad grown up here, telling a kid that there's no Father Christmas. I hate to disturb your simplistic worldview, but millions of gay men have gone against their natures and had girlfiends, wives, and yes, (shock horror) SEX WITH WOMEN. Ask Elton John. He was married twice. Ask George Michael. He had girlfriends and was known on occasion to sleep with them. Incredible I know

Rodya24 said:

You assumed. Wrongly. The debate is not whether or not he had sex with Lisa Marie, but whether or not he's gay. Some of you don't seem to realise that gay men can possibly have sex with women. I feel like a big bad grown up here, telling a kid that there's no Father Christmas. I hate to disturb your simplistic worldview, but millions of gay men have gone against their natures and had girlfiends, wives, and yes, (shock horror) SEX WITH WOMEN. Ask Elton John. He was married twice. Ask George Michael. He had girlfriends and was known on occasion to sleep with them. Incredible I know

midnightmover said:

or a few of my friends who have kids from their marriages, or a friend of mine whos dad was married and had three kids, or any number of gay men who had sex with girls in high school and college.

I am sorry I think your tripping there. You fail to realize that the Michael of 1978 was a little different from the Michael of 1998. I believe that Stephanie and Michael were close back in 78 because there were mentions at the time that they were at Least "friends."

ehuffnsd said:

Exactly. But this fact does not mean that Michael Jackson is a homosexual. Some of you are saying this as if it is a cold fact. His sexual orientation is his own business. The possibility that he might be homosexual is there, but then again, I believe all human beings are bisexual.

midnightmover said:

I am sorry I think your tripping there. You fail to realize that the Michael of 1978 was a little different from the Michael of 1998. I believe that Stephanie and Michael were close back in 78 because there were mentions at the time that they were at Least "friends". You have a problem with this story because of what Michael became and what you believe his sexuality is. Now maybe the Michael of 1988 or 1998 wouldn't want anything to do with a black woman, but back in 1978/79 it wouldn't have been surprising if Michael had even up and married a black woman.
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Rodya24 said:

I go back and forth between homosexual and asexual. though i'm pretty solid in my opinion that he suffers from some form of gender dysphoria.

and women's sexuality is more fliud than male sexuality.

ehuffnsd said:

I disagree with you about the latter statement. And moreover, how does one differentiate between female and male sexualities? You state your opinion as if it is a fact. A number of gender and sexuality scholars would disagree.

Rodya24 said:

I go back and forth between homosexual and asexual. though i'm pretty solid in my opinion that he suffers from some form of gender dysphoria.

and women's sexuality is more fliud than male sexuality.