while waiting 4 my favorite show on hbo "big love" 2 start, there was a commercial 4 timberfakes concert on labor day showing. and i started getting pissed hearing mike scott talk about the choregrophay of the show while playing an instrument at the same time. I was like WTF u worked with Prince asswipe so don't act like it's all new 2 u. but then seeing mr. blackwell behind the drums upset me some more. I know they have 2 make their money as well 2 survive, but damn it just made me miss them more 4 not being in prince's band anymore.


end of my rant

L4OATheOriginal said:

sometimes this makes me think the very public Prince/JT thing is sorta some inside joke between them.


I dont know why I think this but..

Well, there does not seem to be a problem to them, playing for Justin Timberlake.

It is is just the über-prejudiced fans that keep moaning about it on the forums. In the meantime, it seemed to me they enjoyed playing the concerts and Justin Timberlake still has hit-singles.

And just his tour opening song is way hotter than most Prince does during his Earth tour. So, no harm done.

HamsterHuey said:

uh....its funny how you just bashed Prince all throughout your post and yet you dog folks for hatin' on Jt. We know you LOVE that fake ass Timberpuke.


Justin "still" making hits.....he's just 20something. Prince has been in this business for 30 years. This is when I don't get the comparsion. Compare Jt to Prince at 20something...then there's a conversation.

If Prince had made FutureSex/LoveSounds instead of Planet Earth you'd all be singing his prasies.

However since JT made it, and you have a prejudice against him, because he made a wise carear move by appoligoizing, which JJ should have done knowing the climate of the country at that time, you all hate it.

This shit's getting kinda old. I mean, I know Timberlake's music isn't everyone's cup of tea. And that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. U don't even have to agree that he's especially talented.

But really, can't he be cut some slack? Sure, he's not on the level of Prince's talent, but he's still got decent chops. He delivered what's probably the year's top pop album and has scored a lot of hit singles. And it's not like he's being derivative. If anything, his music is a breath of fresh air from alot of the derivative crap on the radio. Plus, he's obviously someone who's passionate about his work. Otherwise, he wouldn't be working with alot of other artists as well(like 50 Cent, Duran Duran, Madonna, Reba McEntire, etc).

So despite your opinion on his music, can't you all just accept that he's this generation's BIG star?

ehuffnsd said:

WRONG...JT lied and said he didn't know anything about the titty crap. He has no integrity. If you recall Janet did apologize. He was just as much to blame for that BS as Janet and should have been man enough to take the heat with her or at least stand up for her. He is lame.

I was cool with JT completely bitin' off of MJ with the first cd, I'd been ok with him completely bitin' off Prince with this one but I DON"T LIKE HIM, the person. Its a slimeball to do with he did in the Janet situation and continue with this cocky attitue.

Nowadays integrity means nothing as long as you get ahead. Damn shame.

Rhondab said:

integrity has had ntohing to do with this business ever.

Blablabla Janet, insert tit apology HERE, rehash old blablabla.

You know, I actually don't like either of JT's albums much, but I love, love, love his singles. They have an edge. They are contemporary. They sound GREAT on a dancefloor. That's why I defend him on EVERY bleeding sad JT bashing thread. He makes me dance.

I did not start making Prince comparisons. I just reacted to the original post. And yours, of course. I always dug the fact that he vacates the empty spot Prince & Michael J. left while pursueing (insert another rehashed thread title HERE). Even though is using them as reference points.

Prince back in the day was also just another Stevie clone, until Rick James showed him the freakin' way. Give the guy a break, is all I'm asking.

Rhondab said:

I can see that as well, they may share a stage in the kind-of-distant future.

Anyways, my bet is that JT's operation pays Blackwell better. Just a guess.

Rhondab said:

1. HH, define "prejudiced."

2. HH, I agree that JT's songs from FS/LS are likely hotter than anything on Planet Earth, but the fact that a man old enough to be JT's daddy is making songs/albums with ANY TEMPERATURE (warm, hot, tepid, whatever) is an accomplishment. Right now, JT's as hot as he'll ever be. Prince is back at or near the top of the business for at least the 3d time in 3 decades.

3. That being said, it's unfair at this point, Rhonda, to compare P and JT in their 20's. When JT hits 30, we can look back and compare. But he has a ways to go.

Rhondab said:

I bought Justified, and had he manned up on that Janet situation, like any decent man would, I probably would have bought FS/LS. But that's just me.

The kid is what he is. An entertainer. And he's very good at that. His work, standing alone, may not have artistic merit, but he makes songs people enjoy. That's all he needs to do. He's got good people working behind the boards, and as long as they're all right, he'll be all right. Not everyone can be Stevie, Prince, Sly, Marvin or MJ. He's this generation's male answer to Madonna, and that's not intended as an insult.

To be fair, there are songs on FS/LS (and Justified) that are highly listenable. But he did pay Timbaland BIG bucks to deliver. But listen to him sing. That's the rub.
He's the latest thing and that's perfectly fine for what it is in this pop world. But it's lazy critique to even compare him in any serious way to MJ or Prince.

I get the sneaking suspicion that once he starts showing some age (physically) his career will be over. Just look at Janet. That and the fact that her product has been "strained" as of late.

I think it's wise NOT to compare JT to Prince. Prince is along the lines of Stevie and Sly, at least in my mind. Prince is someone who's more than just an entertainer. JT is simply an entertainer(though a damn good one).

But what about MJ?? I thinks it's fair to compare both of them. I've always said that the big difference between Prince and MJ is that, while Prince is a musician, MJ is mainly a song and dance guy. And that's what both he and JT have in common.

Funny how alot of people give JT crap about using Timbaland to craft his sound and not having his own. It's not so different than when MJ was using Quincy Jones. Matter of fact, the only albums where MJ did REAL production and not just songwriting were Dangerous and HIStory. OTW and Thriller were Quincy produced with MJ doing the occasional songwriting, and BAD showed MJ writing almost all the songs with Quincy still producing. And Invincible..well, God knows how many producers he had there. Point of the matter is that, while JT does indeed use Timbaland's producing abilities, he still collaborates on the material as well as producing for other artists, not too far off from MJ's Thriller days when he had a hand in his own material while working with other artists. MJ was talented, moreso than JT even, but alot of people blow air up his ass like he were Mozart, when in fact he was pretty much an entertainer.

I think it's fair to compare JT with Madonna. Matter of fact, I would agree in saying that he's today's answer to Madonna. Both deliver Top Notch pop music, and they have ALOT of ambition and passion.

newskin69 said:

Whatever. Talk to me when Justin writes anything as good as "Billie Jean" or "Stranger In Moscow". Talk to me when Justin gives a performance that is anywhere near being as good as MJ's Motown 25 one. Michael is a musical genius and has always been incredible from the start. And at least Michael has his own MUSICAL IDENTITY, whereas Justin has yet to find his.I think It is an insult to MJ as an artist to even suggest that he and Justin are on the same level in any way.
[Edited 8/21/07 17:56pm]

newskin69 said:

I like this accessment. I just think it's fair to say (argueably) that Justin's voice isn't as good as Michael's. I also might be showing my age by taking aim at what I think constitutes good singing these days. Lately the person who I think has the best voice but would have to fight tooth and nail to get production money like Timb behind him is Elliott Yamin, and I think that's a shame. But it's not surprising.

That being said. I suppose where some people would take aim at Justin would be if his singing isn't good AND he adds a line here and there to get songwriting credit, what IS so special about him? Can't ANYBODY do that? The answer of course is no, because Justin has a look that is appealing to a lot of people.

He also has to be given credit for a natural charisma, which again could be argueable, but I doubt it, given his popularity.

ehuffnsd said:

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I do not like JT because his music sucks.

He only said he was sorry after the controversy started to get at his ass.
He came off the stage laughing about it. If he was a real man he would have taken the bulk of the blame.

Instead he put it on Janet and really hurt her carreer.

He than rips off Prince's sound and image. From watching the previews of his concert it looks like a Musicology tour rip off.

Prince made that FutureSex/LoveSounds cd 20 years ago and he did not need Timberland to do it.

Justin is not on P's level and I doubt he ever will be. Let's be honest he gets a white pass and he will not have to work as hard as P to maintain.

Not fair and not right but, that is the way of the world.

namepeace said:

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Co-Sign. I wish a lot of people would realize that P is doing good for a guy that is almost 50. He is like a cat with nine lives.

laurarichardson said:

The bulk of the blame is hers. She wore the leather bustier with the breakaway, snap on, cup. She didn't have to do that.

Cinnamon234 said:

OK, I respect that opinion. Obviously your someone that holds Michael up there. And I honestly don't blame you, at all. I love Michael's music. I've been a fan for what seems to be most of my life. I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of different eras. Yes, I agree that "Billie Jean" is a great song, but it was pretty much the dance/pop of his day. Granted, it sure as hell was better than the dance/pop around at the time, but it was still in that genre, much like "My Love" is better than most pop songs today yet is still the pop music of its day. As for Motown 25..OK, I'll give u that one..from a performance point of view. That still doesn't constitute him being a "musical genius", it just shows that he's an amazing performer. And even with that, he didn't invent the moonwalk. It was taught to him. Nothing wrong there at all, especially since MJ doesn't take credit for "inventing" the moonwalk. I'm just being realistic about MJ's talents.

I say give JT a few years..he could probably surprise alot of detractors. Hey, it took MJ years to go from dance/pop like Billie Jean to something remarkable like "Stranger in Moscow". All that comes with experience.

I'm really not trying to piss off any hardcore MJ fans, really. Like I said, I like MJ quite a bit. I just wouldn't call him a "music genius". He's just simply a very talented man.

So, people are still pissed with Justin for not sticking by Janet during Nipplegate? Wow, when that whole incident happened, I was pissed off at all the other half-time performers also, because none of those jerkwads defended Janet either....not Diddy (Puffy, P. Diddy, Diddy Pop Pop, whatever ), not Nelly, not Kid Rock and all of their performances were just as lewd (if not more) than Janet's 2 second boobie flash. If people are going to be pissed at Justin just because he didn't defend her, than be pissed at all the other "men" that didn't come forward afterward and stick up for Janet. They could have all apologized for their performances also, because none of them were singing hymnals or lullabies that night. Justin makes enjoyable music that's fun to dance too...what's wrong with that? If the only reason people don't like him is because of the whole Janet thing, than that's kinda sad considering that Janet seems to have gotten over it and it actually happened to her. It's like all those people who don't like Prince because of some things he did in 1987 that they didn't like. Personally, the "don't look directly at Prince" thing was funny to me . I'm not going to hold a grudge against the man. Now, if he had ripped off the shield and then peed and spit on her, I'd be soo agreeing with the JT haters.

The comparisons can go on for days and days BUT you cant really compare anyone truth is. Everyone is in thier own space and time, i just went through all of this with The Barry Bonds comparisons to Henry Aaron, well you cant compare them, so he broke a record, but he also didnt deal with what Henry had to deal with when he broke the record that Babe Ruth had said, like the KKK following him around and threatening to kill his family. And then you cant also compare it to Babe Ruth because he set a record in a time when the talent really wasnt around to stop him from hitting all those Home Runs. So comparing Prince and Justin is crazy. Prince mainly existed in a time when there wasnt much attention paid to our "stars" like today, there wasnt all this HYPE of NON-HYPE. Also take a look at Prince's competition in his day and take a look at Justins, Give me a break. Prince had everyone from MJ to Bruce Springsteen to George Michael to Madonna to Duran and so many more putting out HIT records every five seconds, what competetion does Justin have? Im not knocking him, hes got talent, i dont like him, but thats my choice, but dont compare two people that didnt go through the same shit or even exist in the same time period, thats just dumb. That would be like comparing Abraham Lincoln and George Bush, saying they both faced challenges in their times.

L4OATheOriginal said:

I'm with you on that. I get mad everytime I ride the subway to work and JT's mug is plastered on the entire side of the subway car I'm in. And seeing that Mike Scott and Mr Blackwell are there is just plain sad. To go from treasure to trash in a heartbeat is just mind boggling.

Damn, I'm just waiting for Robin Thicke to make a "Justin mistake"...he will sooo be crucifixed....at least I hope, because that wouldn't be fair pointing fingers at one and not the other, right?

newskin69 said:

I totally agree with that.

everyone is entitled 2 thier say, but really i was only talking about how pissed off i am 2 c mike scott and john blackwell playing behind this guy and 4 their comments. but if u want 2 go there, JT ain't nothing without timberlands beats (whose beat styling hasn't changed since he worked with LL Cool J on his album with the song headbob), and sounds like the same beats he's worked with nelly furtado. can he play the piano ..sure ..can he play rythym guitar? sure..but does that put him in the class of prince? HELL NO!..and i'm not even going 2 mention that other guy other people have talked about in this thread .. there's ENOUGH of that guys name in other threads on a PRINCE site mind u.

bottom line, i just wish mike and john were playing behind prince again. period.

namepeace said:

Here's my spin.

Janet came up with showing her tit on prime time.
Why else would she have that elaborate nipple thing on otherwise?
She asked JT to play along.
He did.
The entire thing backfired.
I think JJ got surprised at the uprage.
And she became a sissy and said "Ooh, wardrobe malfunction [insert tearful JJ here] sorry, sorry, sorry."
I thought that was a load bullshit.
I do not think JT needed to apologise; why the hell would he? It was JJ's stunt and tit.

People falling over JT in this matter should take a closer look at the fake sorry's the tit-bearer uttered. And not be so hypocritical.

justin is ok but nothing more then that.
even prince's worst music is better then justin's best music.
and no justins album is not better then planet earth.
and if you wanna compare ok


at 26 justin have future sex love sounds
(hmmm he listened to supercalifragifunkysexy)


at 26 prince had purple rain so you do the math

HamsterHuey said:

Wrong again.....The concept WAS for him to pull the leather piece off of the top but he grabbed the bra as well. JT a part of ripping the garment...period. She didn't rip it...he agreed to rip it and he knew it would expose her bra.

Stop giving this punk a pass. He sold Janet out on that whole thing...he lacks integrity.

JT could have the best cd ever made but he still is a punk. A man would have admitted his fault AND went to bat for Janet. He saved his ass....and some would say...some....he used his MALE card and his White card to get by.


Some would say that....

HamsterHuey said:

She asked him to play along ? She twisted his fucking arm and made him do it ? Were they not performing his song when that shit went down ?? It was a dumb move on both of their part but to dismiss his actions like he had nothing to do with it is Bullshit.. It's like his punk ass wasn't even on the stage.