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Printablelastdecember said: Rodya24 said: Yes, I agree. Artists have their run when they are everywhere. Correction she wasnt everywhere till the run began and why, well no competition, not her fault. If these mediums didnt exist like the net,endorsments and if Music was marketed like it used to be back in any other decade since this one, then im sure things would be different for Beyonce, im sure she would just be performing and you wouldnt have to worry about looking in a magazine and seeing her there or on commercials, etc.. But i think the music consumer who wants this advancement to Digital technology and all that stuff, really have to share the blame here. We cant just say im tired of her being everywhere, but then constantly wanting these technology advancements. But don't you think she is infiltrating media outside of those related to music? Such as perfume, clothing, movies, etc.? | |
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Ottensen said: PurpleCharm said: And if the internet was around back then, they would have gotten talked about just like Beyonce. Well you know what folks? it DIDN'T exist then, and I'm fucking happy as hell that that's the case. Period  Ummm, no need for all of that.. I actually agree totally with your post. My comment was not a dig towards you. I was trying to make a point to lastdecember that you can't use the excuse that people didn't say anything about Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, etc, because as you stated in your post the masses did not have access to every detail of a celebrities life. He's trying to make it seem like no one would talk about Diana if she was in her heyday now, doing all that Beyonce is doing...as if people are just picking on Beyonce, when that's not the case. [Edited 8/29/07 17:00pm] | |
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PurpleCharm said: Ottensen said: Well you know what folks? it DIDN'T exist then, and I'm fucking happy as hell that that's the case. Period Ummm, no need for all of that.. I actually agree totally with your post. My comment was not a dig towards you. I was trying to make a point to lastdecember that you can't use the excuse that people didn't say anything about Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, etc, because as you stated in your post the masses did not have access to every detail of a celebrities life. He's trying to make it seem like no one would talk about Diana if she was in her heyday now, doing all that Beyonce is doing...as if people are just picking on Beyonce, when that's not the case. [Edited 8/29/07 17:00pm] Wrong! im not saying that Beyonce is a victim of Overexposure. Im saying that IF those artists had the access that there is now that they would be all over just like she is. OF course artists like the ones i mentioned had their own share of backlashes, shit, The Bee Gees records were set on fire in a Baseball Stadium in the late 70's, they also organized BEE GEE FREE weekends on the airwaves, could you imagine that even being attempted today, people would be crying to their attorneys left and right. All of these artists and more are in the same boat, my point is that everyone has their RUN of time where they are the SHIT and everyone wants them (be it radio,tv,fans,mainstream) thats the point, whether its the 50's with Elvis or 60's with the Beatles or 70's with Stevie and Elton or the 80's with madonna and mj or the 90's with mariah or this decade with beyonce. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: PurpleCharm said: Ummm, no need for all of that.. I actually agree totally with your post. My comment was not a dig towards you. I was trying to make a point to lastdecember that you can't use the excuse that people didn't say anything about Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, etc, because as you stated in your post the masses did not have access to every detail of a celebrities life. He's trying to make it seem like no one would talk about Diana if she was in her heyday now, doing all that Beyonce is doing...as if people are just picking on Beyonce, when that's not the case. [Edited 8/29/07 17:00pm] Wrong! im not saying that Beyonce is a victim of Overexposure. Im saying that IF those artists had the access that there is now that they would be all over just like she is. OF course artists like the ones i mentioned had their own share of backlashes, shit, The Bee Gees records were set on fire in a Baseball Stadium in the late 70's, they also organized BEE GEE FREE weekends on the airwaves, could you imagine that even being attempted today, people would be crying to their attorneys left and right. All of these artists and more are in the same boat, my point is that everyone has their RUN of time where they are the SHIT and everyone wants them (be it radio,tv,fans,mainstream) thats the point, whether its the 50's with Elvis or 60's with the Beatles or 70's with Stevie and Elton or the 80's with madonna and mj or the 90's with mariah or this decade with beyonce. I understand. Your observations make sense. | |
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lastdecember said: PurpleCharm said: Ummm, no need for all of that.. I actually agree totally with your post. My comment was not a dig towards you. I was trying to make a point to lastdecember that you can't use the excuse that people didn't say anything about Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, etc, because as you stated in your post the masses did not have access to every detail of a celebrities life. He's trying to make it seem like no one would talk about Diana if she was in her heyday now, doing all that Beyonce is doing...as if people are just picking on Beyonce, when that's not the case. [Edited 8/29/07 17:00pm] Wrong! im not saying that Beyonce is a victim of Overexposure. Im saying that IF those artists had the access that there is now that they would be all over just like she is. OF course artists like the ones i mentioned had their own share of backlashes, shit, The Bee Gees records were set on fire in a Baseball Stadium in the late 70's, they also organized BEE GEE FREE weekends on the airwaves, could you imagine that even being attempted today, people would be crying to their attorneys left and right. All of these artists and more are in the same boat, my point is that everyone has their RUN of time where they are the SHIT and everyone wants them (be it radio,tv,fans,mainstream) thats the point, whether its the 50's with Elvis or 60's with the Beatles or 70's with Stevie and Elton or the 80's with madonna and mj or the 90's with mariah or this decade with beyonce. Let me ask you this. Outside of cyberspace, do you hear people saying that Beyonce is overexposed? | |
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PurpleCharm said: And if the internet was around back then, they would have gotten talked about just like Beyonce.
Prince would have been roasted in the blogosphere, if it existed 20-25 years ago. ROASTED. And MJ's . . . "eccentricities" would have been widely reported much earlier. I think the only musical superstar who would have come out about the same is Madonna. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: PurpleCharm said: And if the internet was around back then, they would have gotten talked about just like Beyonce.
Prince would have been roasted in the blogosphere, if it existed 20-25 years ago. ROASTED. And MJ's . . . "eccentricities" would have been widely reported much earlier. I think the only musical superstar who would have come out about the same is Madonna. 
I posted something similiar in another Beyonce thread. http://prince.org/msg/8/241608 Ummm..that's because the internet was not around, there weren't 50-11 gossip magazines and tv shows. This is a different era. The masses did not have 24/7 access to what a celebrity was doing 20, 30 years ago. When Prince and Madonna were at the height of their careers, you had to get all your celebrity information from one of the monthly entertainment magazines, which meant the news was already at least a month old by the time that you read it. Now you can find out the lastest celebrity happenings minutes after it happens.
I am pretty sure that Prince would have gotten slammed if the internet was around back in his heyday when he was putting out an album a year, releasing b-sides, extended versions of singles, 12 inches, making movies, protege acts, side gigs, etc...if his face was splattered over every other magazine cover, if he endored a bazillion products, performed at every major award show, etc...he would have most likely gotten criticized. | |
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PurpleCharm said:[quote] namepeace said:
I posted something similiar in another Beyonce thread. http://prince.org/msg/8/241608 Ummm..that's because the internet was not around, there weren't 50-11 gossip magazines and tv shows. This is a different era. The masses did not have 24/7 access to what a celebrity was doing 20, 30 years ago. When Prince and Madonna were at the height of their careers, you had to get all your celebrity information from one of the monthly entertainment magazines, which meant the news was already at least a month old by the time that you read it. Now you can find out the lastest celebrity happenings minutes after it happens.
I am pretty sure that Prince would have gotten slammed if the internet was around back in his heyday when he was putting out an album a year, releasing b-sides, extended versions of singles, 12 inches, making movies, protege acts, side gigs, etc...if his face was splattered over every other magazine cover, if he endored a bazillion products, performed at every major award show, etc...he would have most likely gotten criticized. Great points. In addition, I suspect he would have found a larger outlet for the music now gathering dust in "The Vault." Can you imagine if he'd been able to release exclusives on iTunes or AOL Music Sessions? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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lastdecember said: guitarslinger44 said: YOu know what the difference is between Beyonce's run now and those artists' runs back then? They actually had competition and there were MANY artists who were big and were everywhere. But now, she and Justin Timberlake are about it. I don't even see 50 Cent around as much as these two. And the competition between these artists meant better music for the fans. But not now. She can release bullshit like "Check Up On It" and people eat it up because when the pickings are slim, chuck burgers taste like steak. You like her and that's fine, but you can't deny that the woman is everywhere, basically whoring herself out to whatever company will pay her money. She's not a legit artist because her "art" is secondary to her getting paid. She could be juggling for all she cares, it's just that she sees that music is the thing that will set her up the easiest. That's part of the problem with the hip hop generation of "artists." For so many of them, music is just a springboard to other things. Just a way to get paid and have an easy in for a clothing line or for endorsements or acting roles. She might as well just be a basketball player. At least the basketball players spend time on their occupation and make that the focus of their careers. But why blame her for the lack of talent thats out there? She cant be held responsible for her surroundings. All the artists on that list i like, and i experienced most of their RUNS so i clearly know the way it happens and then of course comes the Backlash where everyone hates you, i mean Mariah Carey had it during 2001-2003 where radio refused to even play her or consider playing her because they thought she was "taboo", now they are back on her like flies on shit. You also cant really blame her for getting what she wants, the fact of the matter is, that Music as a form of living your life just doesnt cut it anymore. Sure in the past it has been enough, but with all these major corporations and investments, if you wanna even be able to be heard you have to have endorsement deals etc.. I mean everyone from Gwen Stefani to Hilary Duff to Jlo to Prince to Mariah has perfume or clothing or something on the side.the reality of it is, times have changed, surely not for the better, but thats the way it is, the sad thing is that almost none of those artists i mentioned from the past could even have a run or probably be signed today, yes thats very sad. It's not that there's a lack of talent, it's just that there's a lack of promotion of the RIGHT talent. You and I both know that labels don't sign talented people so much as they sign MARKETABLE people. Pretty people. People that the general public will want to fuck or watch on tv. Because they know that the public has tuned out because of all the crap they DO promote. So they figure the best they can hope for is some singer with tits and/or a pretty face. Everything is researched to the T these days and back when they didn't do that kind of research, you got a wide variety of artists instead of the narrow and vapid ones we get today. I think that says a lot more about the public being narrow in their tastes, but if they had a chance to experience artists outside of their normal scope of interest, they might find something else they like. That said, Beyonce is less an artist than an opportunist. Contrary to what you said, there are tons of REAL artists bubbling below the radar of mainstream and fans for whom music still IS a way of life. Maybe they're not the majority the way they used to be, but they're still there. These are the kinds of people who can't stand the fact that Beyonce and Justin and Akon are the biggest new artists because they know (and perhaps these artists themselves know) that they aren't in it for the long haul. They're in it to make as much money as they can before they're crucified as a flavor of the month and/or lose interest in music altogether. And to me, someone like that is a waste of money, recording time, and time in general. Sorry if you like her, but to me, she and her father represent the worst of the music business today. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: lastdecember said: But why blame her for the lack of talent thats out there? She cant be held responsible for her surroundings. All the artists on that list i like, and i experienced most of their RUNS so i clearly know the way it happens and then of course comes the Backlash where everyone hates you, i mean Mariah Carey had it during 2001-2003 where radio refused to even play her or consider playing her because they thought she was "taboo", now they are back on her like flies on shit. You also cant really blame her for getting what she wants, the fact of the matter is, that Music as a form of living your life just doesnt cut it anymore. Sure in the past it has been enough, but with all these major corporations and investments, if you wanna even be able to be heard you have to have endorsement deals etc.. I mean everyone from Gwen Stefani to Hilary Duff to Jlo to Prince to Mariah has perfume or clothing or something on the side.the reality of it is, times have changed, surely not for the better, but thats the way it is, the sad thing is that almost none of those artists i mentioned from the past could even have a run or probably be signed today, yes thats very sad. It's not that there's a lack of talent, it's just that there's a lack of promotion of the RIGHT talent. You and I both know that labels don't sign talented people so much as they sign MARKETABLE people. Pretty people. People that the general public will want to fuck or watch on tv. Because they know that the public has tuned out because of all the crap they DO promote. So they figure the best they can hope for is some singer with tits and/or a pretty face. Everything is researched to the T these days and back when they didn't do that kind of research, you got a wide variety of artists instead of the narrow and vapid ones we get today. I think that says a lot more about the public being narrow in their tastes, but if they had a chance to experience artists outside of their normal scope of interest, they might find something else they like. That said, Beyonce is less an artist than an opportunist. Contrary to what you said, there are tons of REAL artists bubbling below the radar of mainstream and fans for whom music still IS a way of life. Maybe they're not the majority the way they used to be, but they're still there. These are the kinds of people who can't stand the fact that Beyonce and Justin and Akon are the biggest new artists because they know (and perhaps these artists themselves know) that they aren't in it for the long haul. They're in it to make as much money as they can before they're crucified as a flavor of the month and/or lose interest in music altogether. And to me, someone like that is a waste of money, recording time, and time in general. Sorry if you like her, but to me, she and her father represent the worst of the music business today. Its not about liking her or the artists that i listed, yes that is how the system is set up today, but who's fault is it? The fact is that with the advancements in technology, Music cant be anyone's bread and butter anymore. And i can guarantee you that ALL of the artists i listed and more would be pimping everything under the sun to keep their face out there. The fact is there are NO avenues to focus on Music solely anymore, i wish there was but there arent. Also this is NOT about talent and things like that, and who gets pushed and who doesnt, because in all of these times of the artists i listed there were tons of artists not getting any push or getting the same play that the others did. In everytime period there are gonna be artists that just have a small following and live their lives and thats cool, thats really not the point of this post, i mean 90% of the artists i listen too dont sell, so trust me im praising someone because they sell. The point is that in every time someone has their run when they are everywhere, and the problem today is there are so many outlets that you can see someone, everyone is known. But really we cant complain about this system because we really let it go this way, technologies advancements have caused Music to NOT be a "cash crop" anymore, therefore, the quote "BIG STARS" are gonna be about everything, movies,magazines,endorsements and then Music. But like i said, anyone of those artists in this time would have been reduced the same way and we know thats true. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: guitarslinger44 said: It's not that there's a lack of talent, it's just that there's a lack of promotion of the RIGHT talent. You and I both know that labels don't sign talented people so much as they sign MARKETABLE people. Pretty people. People that the general public will want to fuck or watch on tv. Because they know that the public has tuned out because of all the crap they DO promote. So they figure the best they can hope for is some singer with tits and/or a pretty face. Everything is researched to the T these days and back when they didn't do that kind of research, you got a wide variety of artists instead of the narrow and vapid ones we get today. I think that says a lot more about the public being narrow in their tastes, but if they had a chance to experience artists outside of their normal scope of interest, they might find something else they like. That said, Beyonce is less an artist than an opportunist. Contrary to what you said, there are tons of REAL artists bubbling below the radar of mainstream and fans for whom music still IS a way of life. Maybe they're not the majority the way they used to be, but they're still there. These are the kinds of people who can't stand the fact that Beyonce and Justin and Akon are the biggest new artists because they know (and perhaps these artists themselves know) that they aren't in it for the long haul. They're in it to make as much money as they can before they're crucified as a flavor of the month and/or lose interest in music altogether. And to me, someone like that is a waste of money, recording time, and time in general. Sorry if you like her, but to me, she and her father represent the worst of the music business today. Its not about liking her or the artists that i listed, yes that is how the system is set up today, but who's fault is it? The fact is that with the advancements in technology, Music cant be anyone's bread and butter anymore. And i can guarantee you that ALL of the artists i listed and more would be pimping everything under the sun to keep their face out there. The fact is there are NO avenues to focus on Music solely anymore, i wish there was but there arent. Also this is NOT about talent and things like that, and who gets pushed and who doesnt, because in all of these times of the artists i listed there were tons of artists not getting any push or getting the same play that the others did. In everytime period there are gonna be artists that just have a small following and live their lives and thats cool, thats really not the point of this post, i mean 90% of the artists i listen too dont sell, so trust me im praising someone because they sell. The point is that in every time someone has their run when they are everywhere, and the problem today is there are so many outlets that you can see someone, everyone is known. But really we cant complain about this system because we really let it go this way, technologies advancements have caused Music to NOT be a "cash crop" anymore, therefore, the quote "BIG STARS" are gonna be about everything, movies,magazines,endorsements and then Music. But like i said, anyone of those artists in this time would have been reduced the same way and we know thats true. True. | |
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