So if I support Amy Winehouse by buying her album aren't I really supporting her drug and booze habit as well???

missfee said:

well Mrs. Puritanical, we all have our vices..

tell your employer that you will forfeit your paycheck because they're enabling whatever vice you have.

No artists dont get paid that way, she already got her check when she recorded the album. Sometimes shit just happens, but with her, i saw this coming long ago so i just didnt get into for the simple reason that i figured she would probably not record again for a long time due to her addictions, and for me if im into an artist, i want music, not scandals and headlines. I have seen this movie before.

That woman may be talented but she's a total skank.

LoveAlive said:

LoveAlive said:

uhh well if you are a crack addict, and you keep sneaking in the bathroom to shoot heroin up your arm, you will get fired. so what are you talking about??? you are missing my point. i'm not judging, just merely asking a simple question.

lastdecember said:

true you can be into an artist, and there are probably some shooting up as we speak that we don't know about, but her, she's just so obviously out there...i'd be afraid to know that my hard earned money is going to a heroin dealer.

i stopped buying R. Kelly albums once i found that he has sex with underage girls and likes to piss on them.
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lastdecember said:

Artists DO get paid that way - ever heard of artists' royalties? She probably got an advance for the album which I doubt would have been that much.

missfee said:

Couldn't you ask that of any performer with a habit?



I don't get why people are coming down so hard on Winehouse for her addictions. Maybe it's because she makes an easy target of herself, I don't know. But it doesn't seem fair somehow that with all the singers and musicians out there who drink or drug it up too much -and some of these people are celebrated for it -she's the one who's getting shit on. Keith Richards is a hero because he's pickled himself, but Amy Winehouse is fair game? Someone here on the Org tried to explain it away by saying Keef's more talented. Well, no shit, he is. But we're not talking about musicianship, we're talking personal habits that the general public feels they have the right to comment on.
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missfee said:

Why are you shooting heroin up your arm if you're a crack addict?

missfee said:

as much as i like this kid, i actually think this is a pretty valid question. i've often wondered the same about older artists who have battled with substances such as chaka, sly, george clinton, stevie nicks, courtney, cat power, etc...but royalties and such come sooo far down the line with them, by the time you bought a cd she hopefully would be cleaned up a little. before the big fame thing hit, her father said in a few interviws that she wasn't really seeing that much money that had been promised/owed (yet), and he would occasionally lend her bits and pieces of money to her here and there. otherwise, now that she's famous and has a lot more money, i suppose you could always, er, um, "borrow" some of the music from one of your "friends" (cough cough)...

...at any rate, i was also remembering that now she takes care of her mom who has multiple sclerosis (the parents divorced when she was small)...i wonder if a girl in her condidtion has the mental clarity to take care of her family first before she sets out to score... ...

meow85 said:

i think seeing something like this http://prince.org/msg/8/2...sg_4936484 would make the public come down hard on her if not feel that she needs to get some help. i don't think she's being shitted on-people are just concerned. true the rock heroes from back in the day were celebrated for their drug usage and written off as rock n roll-that was stupid. nowadays being a crack head is not cute. and if its her own private business to be so she should've taken another career instead she chose the route to be in the spot light. i'm for 'live and let live' and i'm in a position to cast the first stone but when somebody needs help they need help. she has a problem that is severe and somebody needs to say something before its too late.

heybaby said:

the sad part of these type of situations is, what i've been observing in similar instances is that it's usually the people who are immediately surrounding a person (partcularly in celebrity circumstances) who don't say a THING. they're so so busy poking a stick in the person's back to keep'em 'singin' for their supper' for that bottom line ($$$), or simply star fucking these folks to ride the crest of their wave, that they continue to enable them until the 'good times' end. just like billie sang in god bless the child 'money you got lots of friends crowding around your door, but when the money's gone...they don't come around no more'. hopefully now that her parents know what's up she might be able to get some help, although when addicts are in THAT deep, in THAT much denial, it's going to be a struggle for any parents too as addicts are VERY good at lying and pretending to be on the mend, when in fact everything is going straight to hell.

her parents said a long while ago that they've been struggling with her self-cutter & anorexia/bullemia since adolescence. the father even admitting that when she first lost weight this time he knew she was only eating salad 24/7 and doing cardio 2-3 hours day 7 days a week, (which was another issue) but the best they could do with her living on her own now was try to make her eat normal food when she would come home. the mother, dealing with MS, said up until amy re-uinted with her now husband, her daughter called her everday to check in, and seeing her in the media was worried about her kid's thiness thinking she was having another anorexia episode, but both parents said the last thing they suspected was crack or heroin. they just knew that her husband was not the sort they envisoned for their kid...and ever since she got married, suddenly she stopped calling her mother. blake civils parents however, have known that their son has had a heroin habit for the last 3 years, which has been said that upon finding that out at winehouse's intervention, is when daddy winehouse tried to choke the shit out of blake's father.

you know, in a lot of these situations with women addicts in abusive relationships, they have those typical daddy issues, that roll right over to the boyfriend/husbands. until they get professional help it often ends up being a war of 'what my dad says vs. what my husband says'. this looks like one of those cases where nobody wins not to be funny, but, somebody really needs to throw her butt in the hospital like natalie coles mama did to HER, then send her to etta james' house so she can learn something from this...

missfee said:

Yep. Any money received will be used by her and her man. I am NOT buying her music coz I don't want to support their drug habits.

I'd say in a way you are. I like Amy Winehouse and her first album. But I didn't buy Rehab album, I was thinkin' about it, but didn't.

Maybe the police should bust her ass should she'll learn a lesson. Dont Do Drugs.

Ottensen said:

that really is sad. they need to stay away from eachother and she needs real folks in her corner, but being in showbusiness i don't see that happenin

Well people were saying this back in the late 80's when Daryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden were having drug issues, they would say dont go to Met Games because im supporting their habits. Now im a Met fan, im not going to stop goijng because they couldnt get it together, but in that case its more on the owners to clean up, the same with a label to maybe clean up the artists they have.

meow85 said:

who said i was coming down on her? i'm just concerned. I hope she does get help. i'm not calling her names or pointing at her and laughing or passing judgement. You need to come down a notch or two and stop taking my comments personally. as a consumer of music i DO actually have the right to ask this question. Thanks.

heybaby said:

exactly...

meow85 said:

uhh she and her husband were in rehab for crack addiction and heroin addiction. Read up on the news please. Thanks.

luv4u said:

However, you buy things everyday and you have no idea who's making money from it or how they're spending it. I don't think Amy's drugs are being bought with the money YOU spent on her music. The record company already paid her.

Smooches;)

MsMisha319 said:

actually i haven't bought any of her music. Like i stated before i was just asking a question on if I did and i think it's a valid question about this subject in particular, not with what i buy everyday.

missfee said:

Ok, but you don't HAVE to buy any of her music. She has already been paid. That's the point I'm making. You wouldn't be supporting her habit if you did buy her music. The record company definitely is, however.


Smooches;)

MsMisha319 said:

Yeah thats true and if we really break things down, everyone who drives and buys gasoline, you basically are supporting all forms of terrorist acts. Thats the straight up truth, we basically are funding the next terrorist act ourselves.

lastdecember said:

right....

All I can say is that I support good music.

What any musician does with his or her money made, at the end of the day, is that persons business.

I wish Amy would clean up her act, but if she choses not to, its her life to do what she wants with

heybaby said:

There's a difference between pointing out that a star (or anybody else) needs to get help and the "hey, look at the junkie freak!" mentality surrounding Winehouse. It just rubs me the wrong way.

missfee said:

I was actually only addressing the question towards you, not the lower paragraph. Sorry.

the answer is yes. it is quickly followed by a "so what?"

if you like the music, buy the music. when you eat at a restaurant, do you investigate the server prior to tipping him/her? of course not.

a person performs a job or duty and you pay for it. what that person does with the money you paid for the service performed is of no concern to you.

meow85 said:

understood but considering that she is a junky and considering her job everybody is going to have something to say-its unavoidable. i think getting teased is the least of her problems and i doubt she cares or notices seeing how people with drug problems just want to get high despite what is said. it all comes with the territory.