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Printableprettymansson said: P2daP said: I think after his first son was born in 1997, he just went into a semi-retirment. If you look at his career. He just disapeared after 97' He was doing, albums, tv shows, music videos, huge tours. and then boom. In 97' it just all stoped. He dissapered all together for the first few years the late 90's Michael Jackson was no where to be seen. He showed his face here and there but that was it. He showed up in a bit in the early 00's but then he quickly went away again and has remaind so, with the exception of the trail...I think your right i don't think he has the passion he once did. For years i think the most important thing in Michael Jackson's life was his career it's all he cared about, but like so many other parets before him. once his child was born, it all stoped and everything changed. I think for the past 10 years his children (now 3 children) are his main concearn in life, and his music has taken the back seat. I feel like Invincible and the new albun are just albums for his fans. He probally feels like he owes them an album. I give credit to him though, It takes a lot of will power to just say good-bye to the most suscessful career of all times, and just go be a dad. Hats off to you Michael Jackson. Dont forget that he's the joke of the World..Im sure ANYBODY with his best interest at heart has advised him to lay low for a while and just be happy that he's not in a jail cell ! 
[Edited 8/29/07 11:14am] I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial. | |
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Rodya24 said: prettymansson said: Dont forget that he's the joke of the World..Im sure ANYBODY with his best interest at heart has advised him to lay low for a while and just be happy that he's not in a jail cell !
[Edited 8/29/07 11:14am] I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial. Thats not true at all ! I travel all the time and every hotel i stayed in during the trial had CNN.,.and EVERYDAY that he was in court there was an update about what he wore..his weight...his lateness to court..his fanatical fans.. ect ect ect....And i had many conversations with people all over the world about whether they thought he was guilty or not ! You are the one thats unusual...most people respect MJ as a great talent but first and formost they consider him to be a freak that blew an amazing career because he cant keep his hands off of little boys ! [Edited 8/29/07 11:50am] | |
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prettymansson said: Rodya24 said: I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial. Thats not true at all ! I travel all the time and every hotel i stayed in during the trial had CNN.,.and EVERYDAY that he was in court there was an update about what he wore..his weight...his lateness to court..his fanatical fans.. ect ect ect....And i had many conversations with people all over the world about whether they thought he was guilty or not ! You are the one thats unusual...most people respect MJ as a great talent but first and formost they consider him to be a freak that blew an amazing career because he cant keep his hand off of little boys ! Again, I disagree. I did not write that people were not aware of the trial. Most were not bombarded with the coverage as much as those in the United States and the United Kingdom. People have lives outside of thinking and talking about Michael Jackson. Perhaps you do not. I am neither American nor European, and also travel a lot. And I disagree with your comments. On a final note, perhaps you should read the court transcripts before forming an opinion based on watching CNN -- mainstream media at its most idiotic. | |
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jonylawson said: Rodya24 said: This post proves in spades that you know little about Michael Jackson.  i love mikes fans heheh
okay-educate me-why isnt michael a "product' and please feel free to correct me9your right i know little of his music) okay-as an example 'invicible' how many songs did mike write? did he produce himself? what instruments did he play on his album? boy-am i gonna get schooled(snigger)
My god you really dont know anything about Michael Jackson do you? Me thinks you need to take a look at Michaels biggest hits, and see how many he wrote, then come back and carry on looking and sounding like an 13 year old little girl on her summer holidays 
And Prince fans say MJ fans are deluded. Are you and PrettyManson related? Because you quite obviously both share the same genetic problem of having very few brain cells. 'Ye man, mikell jckson lvs 2 tuch lil boys innit'? Propa peedo e iz! Cretins.
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there's a lot of songs I really like on invincible, but there are several I could live without, and it's pale in comparison to his previous works. What I liked best about it was that he was doing smooth & melodic r&b again, even if it's not destiny or off the wall type r&b. I liked the direction he was heading in on the tracks on ultimate collection as well, though songs like we be ballin and aint no friend of mine with pras made me go WTF. I think if he sets his mind to it, he could put out a great album one last time, with a mini tour, but I'm more frustrated with the fact that there is no news and everyone is copying his style everywhere, but he's not out there doing his thing. I don't like the fact he's working with that clown will.i.am though I'm curious about the ne yo collaborations. I really do hope he's writing an album with melodic r&b/dance numbers, which is what made him become THE michael jackson in the first place, instead of songs where he screams and plays the victim, or gets all sappy. Those were cool in the 90's, but we all get the point now and want to hear something different and fresh. | |
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Rodya24 said:[quote] prettymansson said: People have lives outside of thinking and talking about Michael Jackson. Perhaps you do not. On a final note, perhaps you should read the court transcripts before forming an opinion based on watching CNN -- mainstream media at its most idiotic. Dont make a fool out of yourself little newbie..You dont know me and you sound FULLY ignorant assuming that i have nothing better to do than talk about michael jackson...Please... And, My mentioning CNN was in response to this comment from you : I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial My point to you was simply that you are wrong I was on tour traveling the world during the trial and i saw all the michael jackson news that my mom was seeing back in America....In newspapers..on TV...ect... Calm yourself down if you plan to stay around here .. Its not cute. | |
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prettymansson said:[quote] Rodya24 said: prettymansson said: People have lives outside of thinking and talking about Michael Jackson. Perhaps you do not. On a final note, perhaps you should read the court transcripts before forming an opinion based on watching CNN -- mainstream media at its most idiotic. Dont make a fool out of yourself little newbie..You dont know me and you sound FULLY ignorant assuming that i have nothing better to do than talk about michael jackson...Please... And, My mentioning CNN was in response to this comment from you : I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial My point to you was simply that you are wrong I was on tour traveling the world during the trial and i saw all the michael jackson news that my mom was seeing back in America....In newspapers..on TV...ect... Calm yourself down if you plan to stay around here .. Its not cute. I am calm. You seem to be overexcited. I admit when I overreact to other people's posts. But to yours, whatever... And also, is there a point in mentioning that I am new to the forum? Again, I disagree. I travel a lot too. There is a difference between being bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial and not being bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial. I never said that people were not aware of the trial. I said most people outside of the US and UK were not bombarded with coverage of the trial. What countries were you in? What kinds of people were you speaking to? What languages were you speaking in? Japanese? Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese)? Korean? Russian? Arabic? | |
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Why should I be worried? Invincible was an excellent album, barring a few filler tracks. But a lot of artists have subpar tracks: Prince for one has released some forgettable songs among the classics.
Just because Michael released Thriller, doesn't mean that he has to come up with an exact followup. Anything Michael puts out will be fine to my ears. "Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart." - Khalil Gibran | |
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im not worried about mj next album... i know im getting it.. and will be able to atleast enjoy a couple of songs.. |
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jonylawson said: why the excitement?
hes a product-you will get a polished slick production with a song thats not written by him and by music thats neither written nor played by him. diamonds and pearls-a stinker? gett off? willing and able? cream? thunder? strolling?.....you realy think these songs are"stinkers" Uhhh... yes! Thunder and Cream are horrendously dated and corny as hell. Willing & Able sounds like elevator music. And don't get me started on Jughead... Invincible is positively a masterpiece in comparison. | |
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JoeTyler said: I woould love a disco album with 8 or 9 strong songs, like Get on the floor or Shake your body, but with a trendy, modern production...
To get a sound like that,he should work with Jamiroquai.Have you heard their last few albums? These guys are making genuine 70s-inspired disco/funk.Their 2001 album 'A Funk Odyssey' puts 'Invincible' to shame. | |
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SoulAlive said: JoeTyler said: I woould love a disco album with 8 or 9 strong songs, like Get on the floor or Shake your body, but with a trendy, modern production...
To get a sound like that,he should work with Jamiroquai.Have you heard their last few albums? These guys are making genuine 70s-inspired disco/funk.Their 2001 album 'A Funk Odyssey' puts 'Invincible' to shame. I'm with you on that. I often wonder what Canned Heat, Little L, Cosmic Girl and Space Cowboy would sound like with MJ's vocals. Brilliant, I should think... | |
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pjh1972 said: SoulAlive said: To get a sound like that,he should work with Jamiroquai.Have you heard their last few albums? These guys are making genuine 70s-inspired disco/funk.Their 2001 album 'A Funk Odyssey' puts 'Invincible' to shame. I'm with you on that. I often wonder what Canned Heat, Little L, Cosmic Girl and Space Cowboy would sound like with MJ's vocals. Brilliant, I should think...  In 2001,"Love Foolosophy" would have been a stunning comeback hit for MJ.That's exactly the type of music MJ should be making,but instead he feels the need the work with shit hop producers. | |
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no cause ne yo and will.i.am said he wassent going to follow todays trends
so no hip hopish sound , wich is great. i think this is gonna be either big and good or crappy and no one will care it realy depends on his music cause even im suprised how many of us are out there | |
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SoulAlive said: JoeTyler said: I woould love a disco album with 8 or 9 strong songs, like Get on the floor or Shake your body, but with a trendy, modern production...
To get a sound like that,he should work with Jamiroquai.Have you heard their last few albums? These guys are making genuine 70s-inspired disco/funk.Their 2001 album 'A Funk Odyssey' puts 'Invincible' to shame. That album is a masterpiece, it's in my Top 20 albums of the current decade.[Edited 8/30/07 6:35am]  | |
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JoeTyler said: SoulAlive said: To get a sound like that,he should work with Jamiroquai.Have you heard their last few albums? These guys are making genuine 70s-inspired disco/funk.Their 2001 album 'A Funk Odyssey' puts 'Invincible' to shame. That album is a masterpiece, it's in my Top 20 albums of the current decade.
It's my favorite album of this decade (so far) | |
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Cheek said: The only thing I'm scared of is MJ's face.
 Honetly, when I saw the title of this thread... I had the same idea on my mind...  "America is a continent..." |
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Rodya24 said: Isolar said: I think Michael's singing voice is a great as it's ever been. I don't feel his singing voice has deteriorated with age. I feel that it does not sound as smooth as it used to a la Off The Wall. But you are right. I disagree with those people who feel that he cannot sing. Period. I don't think his voice is that much better than Latoya's | |
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fantasticjoy said: Rodya24 said: I feel that it does not sound as smooth as it used to a la Off The Wall. But you are right. I disagree with those people who feel that he cannot sing. Period. I don't think his voice is that much better than Latoya's Even people who think his voice is horrible compared to what it used to be would disagree with you. You and musicismydrug should get together sometimes. | |
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I don't like those jamaroqui songs, they sound way too disco for this decade, though the melodies are point on | |
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jonylawson said: Rodya24 said: This post proves in spades that you know little about Michael Jackson. i love mikes fans heheh
okay-educate me-why isnt michael a "product' and please feel free to correct me9your right i know little of his music) okay-as an example 'invicible' how many songs did mike write? did he produce himself? what instruments did he play on his album? boy-am i gonna get schooled(snigger) That's really not fair dude...Michael Jackson has never (to my knowledge anyway) been considered a "musician", he's more an "entertainer". As far as songwriting goes...he's written a few of his hits (his biggest, Billie Jean and Beat It were written by him)...and a few were written by others (Thriller, Rock With You, etc.). No big deal, really. . [Edited 8/31/07 1:07am] | |
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Man! And to think i thought GD was fully of nutters | |
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prettymansson said: Rodya24 said: I am he is a joke to you and a number of other people. But not to me and others. Most people (Asia, Africa, and several countries in South America and Europe) in the world were not bombarded with coverage of the 2005 trial. Thats not true at all ! I travel all the time and every hotel i stayed in during the trial had CNN.,.and EVERYDAY that he was in court there was an update about what he wore..his weight...his lateness to court..his fanatical fans.. ect ect ect....And i had many conversations with people all over the world about whether they thought he was guilty or not ! You are the one thats unusual...most people respect MJ as a great talent but first and formost they consider him to be a freak that blew an amazing career because he cant keep his hands off of little boys ! [Edited 8/29/07 11:50am] woah son, you are deeply deluded- not everyone shares your views at all..you might want to check the polls when it came to whether people (US) agreed with the verdict or not which was aired on national tv..and the many people i come across tend to ignore the crap - a few jokes here and there but they are over it..it's only the ignorants you find on the internet that say crap on purpose to get a rise out of people that you are judging on- i'd like to know how you know most people find him a freak? have you gone to different countries and taken polls and such? no. you are basing it off the people you hear and know say it (including the media) so youre conclusion is not really valid...and may i like to remind you that not only boys went to neverland or stayed there with him.. | |
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soFRESHH said: prettymansson said: Thats not true at all ! I travel all the time and every hotel i stayed in during the trial had CNN.,.and EVERYDAY that he was in court there was an update about what he wore..his weight...his lateness to court..his fanatical fans.. ect ect ect....And i had many conversations with people all over the world about whether they thought he was guilty or not ! You are the one thats unusual...most people respect MJ as a great talent but first and formost they consider him to be a freak that blew an amazing career because he cant keep his hands off of little boys ! [Edited 8/29/07 11:50am] woah son, you are deeply deluded- not everyone shares your views at all..you might want to check the polls when it came to whether people (US) agreed with the verdict or not which was aired on national tv..and the many people i come across tend to ignore the crap - a few jokes here and there but they are over it..it's only the ignorants you find on the internet that say crap on purpose to get a rise out of people that you are judging on- i'd like to know how you know most people find him a freak? have you gone to different countries and taken polls and such? no. you are basing it off the people you hear and know say it (including the media) so youre conclusion is not really valid...and may i like to remind you that not only boys went to neverland or stayed there with him.. So you would be fine with your kids staying in his bed then? | |
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Nikster said: jonylawson said: i love mikes fans heheh
okay-educate me-why isnt michael a "product' and please feel free to correct me9your right i know little of his music) okay-as an example 'invicible' how many songs did mike write? did he produce himself? what instruments did he play on his album? boy-am i gonna get schooled(snigger) That's really not fair dude...Michael Jackson has never (to my knowledge anyway) been considered a "musician", he's more an "entertainer". As far as songwriting goes...he's written a few of his hits (his biggest, Billie Jean and Beat It were written by him)...and a few were written by others (Thriller, Rock With You, etc.). No big deal, really. . [Edited 8/31/07 1:07am] exactly... | |
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MattyJam said: Most artists drop a stinker every now and then (Diamonds & Pearls anyone?) but leaving it six years to follow it up means that many of us have been left with a lingering bitter aftertaste.
I'm not an Invincible hater by any means. I like Heaven Can Wait, Speechless and YRMW as much as the next fan... but there's no denying that it was seriously below par in terms of quality control. Songs like Privacy, Cry and 2000 Watts are just utter rubbish and an embarassment to his legacy. What I fear is that with Invincible he lost his hunger and passion for creating great music and it hardly looks as if he's brimming at the seams to get his new material out. I don't want another half-baked project which his heart isn't in - but realistically, I've lost faith that he's capable of anything more these days.... [Edited 8/29/07 5:07am] Oh my God you say Diamonds & Pearls is a stinker that is one of my fave albums by prince. Now i couldnt care less if MJ releases another album cause lets face it the only people who will buy it is the hardcore fans, i agree with some people on here that all MJ will be known as is an entertainer (Also That Sex Abuse Trial) NOT a musician and can someone please tell me if they have even seen MJ pick up a instrument let alone play it cause i read somewhere that he can play Drums,Bass Guitar and keyboard oh please he wishes. | |
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cream72 said: MattyJam said: Most artists drop a stinker every now and then (Diamonds & Pearls anyone?) but leaving it six years to follow it up means that many of us have been left with a lingering bitter aftertaste.
I'm not an Invincible hater by any means. I like Heaven Can Wait, Speechless and YRMW as much as the next fan... but there's no denying that it was seriously below par in terms of quality control. Songs like Privacy, Cry and 2000 Watts are just utter rubbish and an embarassment to his legacy. What I fear is that with Invincible he lost his hunger and passion for creating great music and it hardly looks as if he's brimming at the seams to get his new material out. I don't want another half-baked project which his heart isn't in - but realistically, I've lost faith that he's capable of anything more these days.... [Edited 8/29/07 5:07am] Oh my God you say Diamonds & Pearls is a stinker that is one of my fave albums by prince. Now i couldnt care less if MJ releases another album cause lets face it the only people who will buy it is the hardcore fans, i agree with some people on here that all MJ will be known as is an entertainer (Also That Sex Abuse Trial) NOT a musician and can someone please tell me if they have even seen MJ pick up a instrument let alone play it cause i read somewhere that he can play Drums,Bass Guitar and keyboard oh please he wishes. There have been videos of him playing instruments (forgot which ones)- you need to go on his main forums to find those..if theyre still up there. And MJ did compose and write quite a few of his songs but yeah he will most be remembered as an entertainer- dancer,singer etc. Tis true that guilty or not those allegations wont be forgotten and will stain him- his own mother said it..I doubt that only hardcore fans would buy it though- it's getting a lot of attention with people speculating names of songs, release dates etc. even younger ones (e.g. neyo fans,CB fans etc.) are talking about it (In a good light).....although i will admit that he should be prepared for a TOUGH crowd.. | |
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mdiver said: soFRESHH said: woah son, you are deeply deluded- not everyone shares your views at all..you might want to check the polls when it came to whether people (US) agreed with the verdict or not which was aired on national tv..and the many people i come across tend to ignore the crap - a few jokes here and there but they are over it..it's only the ignorants you find on the internet that say crap on purpose to get a rise out of people that you are judging on- i'd like to know how you know most people find him a freak? have you gone to different countries and taken polls and such? no. you are basing it off the people you hear and know say it (including the media) so youre conclusion is not really valid...and may i like to remind you that not only boys went to neverland or stayed there with him.. So you would be fine with your kids staying in his bed then? 1) He doesn't have those 'sleepovers' anymore- he's learned his lesson.. 2) and I don't think he's a molestor so you work that question out yourself. | |
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fantasticjoy said: Rodya24 said: I feel that it does not sound as smooth as it used to a la Off The Wall. But you are right. I disagree with those people who feel that he cannot sing. Period. I don't think his voice is that much better than Latoya's What drug are you on? | |
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soFRESHH said: mdiver said: So you would be fine with your kids staying in his bed then? 1) He doesn't have those 'sleepovers' anymore- he's learned his lesson.. 2) and I don't think he's a molestor so you work that question out yourself. 1. If you think he is innocent what lesson did he have to learn? 2. Actually tell me the answer, would you allow YOUR child to sleep in his bed? | |
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