Dick Clark's New Years Eve 1993 (1992 going into 1993), BBD performed a track that was based on Run DMC's "Sucker MC's" and the horn from "Darkest Light" by Lafayette Afro Rock Band (sampled to death on Public Enemy "Show 'em What'cha Got" and "Rump Shaker" by Wreckx-N-Effect).

That's all I remember about it! What was this?

Cinnie said:

Was it "Ghetto Booty" or "Gangsta"?

daPrettyman said:

I know it wasn't "Gangsta" because I had that cassingle before seeing this performance.

I don't think this song made it to Hootie Mack??

Cinnie said:

I know a lot of trax didn't make "Hootie Mack" because they didn't bother to get the samples cleared. I remember that "Gangsta" was pulled from the cd for that reason. That's what caused the album to FLOP big time. When I get home, I'll pull the cd out to check.

daPrettyman said:

I mean... I am only remembering two huge samples from that song "Darkest Light" and "Sucker MC's" and that's what I knew at age 12, so who knows what other samples they squished in!

I didn't realize that's why "Gangsta" was pulled from the album. I really liked that (cass)single!

daPrettyman said:

nah..it just wasn't a good album


Som'n In Your Eyes is the only reason I have the cd.

The first Poison CD was one of the greatest Party CD's in history. You had the classic jams like "Poison", "Do Me", etc. Then you had some good slow jams at the end. So I remember back in the early 90's it was perfect music for house partys. Back when they used to play slow jams in the clubs at the last half an hour before last call. At that point of the night it was time to get your groove on. Damn those were the days!

jaimestarr79 said:

but what song am I looking for?

Cinnie said:

Was it something on the remix album. Maybe it was the song on the above the rim sound track.

jaimestarr79 said:

"Above The Rim" was a song on Hootie Mack, and no, it's not that one.

I'm a big fan of WBBD: Bootcity - The Remix Album, and it ain't on there.

jaimestarr79 said:

They were not included on the Above the Rim soundtrack. That was a Death Row project.

daPrettyman said:

Are there any BBD bootlegs floating around with these tracks you are talking about? The one's with uncleared samples?

jaimestarr79 said:

Not that I know of. I do know that they eventually released Gangsta on a few Greatest Hits packages.


I don't have these, so I am not sure if they contain different remixes from the album versions.

I do know that a lot of the 20th Century Masters compilations do contain different mixes. You can find out for sure by checking iTunes or some other digital outlet. The album covers don't give you that info.

jaimestarr79 said:

good question. SOURCE?

Cinnie said:

I can't find it now. I remember when the cd was about to come out, MCA held off on releasing the cd because all of the samples hadn't been cleared. "Gangsta" was issued months in advance to radio and as a single. After it flopped, MCA pulled promotion, issued a new single ("Above The Rim" I believe), but it flopped. It wasn't until they issued "Something In Your Eyes" that the album sold a few copies (which was a Babyface record).

I remember them discussing it on Arsenio Hall's show when they were promoting it.

Review of Hootie Mack from Rolling Stone:

What happens when you're a raisin in the hot Roxbury, Mass., sun? If you explode like a dream fulfilled, you sing, dance and 'tude your way to multiplatinum success. But explosions subside, even when you're New Edition Cinderellas Ricky Bell, Michael Bivins and Ronnie DeVoe. And after the boom, there's the fallout: namely, Bell Biv DeVoe's Hootie Mack, an album recorded far from the incendiary streets of Roxbury.

As Bobby Brown, that other New Edition alum, was perfecting his steely, superstar scowl with Don't Be Cruel (1988), Bell, Bivins and DeVoe were hanging out in our gang. These guys chased honeys, admitted they didn't always catch them and laughed while they held their hard dicks. Poison established New Edition's least-talented three as the horniest ghetto Henry Millers in black pop outside Minneapolis. Three years and 6 million albums later, they're no longer the restless, post-NE overachievers who recorded the second-best album of that crew's solo history. On Hootie Mack, Bell Biv DeVoe forget what worked the first time and tack a nail in the coffin of the NE legend. Maybe the boys are getting enough now.

The uptempo, percolating, fo'-the-fellas funk-groove assault of Poison has been replaced with mid- and slow-tempo songs and ballads. None approaches the bold lewdness of "Poison" and "Do Me!" or the self-deprecating humor of "B.B.D. (I Thought It Was Me?)." Poison was fun and got noticed because, despite the explicitness of rap in general, BBD could be badder and remain pop. "From the Back," a song so smooth you may not realize it's about doing it doggy style, is the only new song that rivals Poison's sexuality and beats.

In some ways, though, Hootie Mack is as revealing of BBD's maturation as their regression. "The Situation" presents a young playboy admirably begging to be allowed to raise his child. Meanwhile, ironically enough, "Nickel" and "Lovely," about the joys of getting high and lusting after a 16-year-old girl, respectively, see the boys taking their lewd sensibility too far. The themes are pointlessly crude – but still might be palatable if the tracks were hotter and their delivery stronger.

The album's second half slows the tempo to a crawl with an interesting ballad, "Something in Your Eyes," and two other forgettable ones. Maybe this is meant to lull you to sleep so you don't notice how short Hootie Mack is. Or that the 47-minute album doesn't include "Gangsta," which came out last winter and would be among the album's strongest songs.

Hootie Mack makes you wish for the unhinged, unpredictable BBD of Poison. It confirms that Bell Biv DeVoe are no longer the hungry boys who'd seen the world and come home to Roxbury to change black pop. The New Edition boom is over. But it was inevitable. Raisins explode only in poems. (RS 663)

TOURÉ

daPrettyman said:

lol OMG I remember reading this EXACT review.

Who remembers that last album that bombed... Hooty Mack

ElectricBlue said:

That's totally the era we're focusing on right now.

When I saw them on Dick Clark's New Years Rockin' Eve 1993 (1992 going into 1993) they had not yet released Hootie Mack, but they performed "Gangsta" which was supposed to appear on that album, and another track I can't identify based on the "Sucker MC's" drums, and the Lafayette Afro Rock Band horn!

I'm going to have to recreate this beat myself before I go crazy.

it was Boots and Sneakers, and it sampled all those songs and the lyrics bit off Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five - Flash is on the beat, and they were doing Michael Jackson dance moves

qvgangsta18 said:

YES!

THAT"S THE ONE!@!!!!!

I forgot they had shoes hanging off their necks!!


"Boot!! ..... Sneaka!!"


yesssss that's the sshhiiiiit


Now I wonder if a recording exists.
[Edited 8/24/07 18:50pm]

"Boot/Sneaker" is how fans refer to it.

Cinnie said:

They have this recording New Edition has numerous bootlegs that they are sitting on

Ralph tresvant's unreleased 1987 LP, Livin In A Dream

BObby Brown's unreleased 1991 Mystical Magical Hysterical LP(which was going to be dope Tap Into My Heart, some other jam that sounded a lil like Don't Be Cruel mixed with Troop's Spread My Wings)

Bell Biv Devoe's Boot Sneakers and all those cuts that didn't get the samples cleared in 92, got dropped

tisk tisk, too bad Ne never knows business, they should have been released most of there concerts

i wanna hear i wanna hear!!

i cant find NE bootlegs.
[Edited 8/24/07 18:50pm]

qvgangsta18 said:

omg I am so grateful you remember that tidbit... that's why I started thinking about it. i've been listening to "Flash It To The Beat" (on Bozo Meko)

daPrettyman said:

I never knew that. I have the cassette single for Gangsta. And I have Hootie Mack- it really isn't a great album. I liked it when I was 16, not so much now. Sill like the Poison cd and WBBD Boot City.