If Prince had made FutureSex/LoveSounds instead of Planet Earth you'd all be singing his prasies.

However since JT made it, and you have a prejudice against him, because he made a wise carear move by appoligoizing, which JJ should have done knowing the climate of the country at that time, you all hate it.

namepeace said:

they are both at fault yes, for they both knew.

however when CBS said they both needed to appologize to appear on the Grammys and Justin did and JJ didn't. It's not Justin's fault JJ had to pay the price of her not wanting to.


from a business prespective I'm sure it made more sense for him to do what would allow him to contiune to make money. JJ not appologizing and appearing on the Grammys follow that by her ignoring her fan base when it came to decision on what put on her last two albums killed her carear not Justin

ehuffnsd said:

You keep on saying that she didn't apologize... she apologized twice before Justin did it on the live telecast of the Grammys...It was important for him because he was nominated for 5 grammy's ...

The Superbowl was Sunday.. She issued a written apology on Monday and that Tuesday the Video apology went out

http://www.cnn.com/2004/S...index.html

BULLSHIT.

banks said:

Good lord.
Are we STILL on this?

Okay. If you read the article that you posted, you see that for the SECOND TIME in a row right after this happened, Janet LIES about what happened. She's still trying to sell people on the "red lace bra" theory AND BLAMES JUSTIN FOR THE INCIDENT. "Timberlake was supposed to pull the flap revealing a red lace bra".

Now. PLEASE show me any pics of this "bra". She OBVIOUSLY wasn't wearing one. WHICH is why she was wearing the nipple shield to begin with. WHICH is why she'd ALREADY shot the cover of Damita Jo with her NIPPLE in the shot.

She threw Justin under the bus, not once but repeatedly after this incident. And then you're shocked that he didn't "man up" and "have her back" or "take responsibility".

She lies and blames him for the incident, and he's a "punk" for not backing her up. Again i say, BULLSHIT.

The human reaction and the ethical reaction are two different things. If they went to juvie, both of them go. The simple elements of liability in a conspiracy are this. Anything done in furtherance of the conspiracy makes the person liable as if they themselves had done everything in the conspiracy. A certain soon-to-be-former professional football player learned that lesson the hard way.

But by your example, the person that cast the rock of her own free will isn't really responsible for breaking the window. My mother wouldn't have cared who put me up to it. I did it and I would have been punished for it.




Okay, you're out of your mind on this one. You believe that he agreed to pull the blouse, then went on stage and pulled the blouse . . . during a duet where she was singing HIS SONG . . . but he's not responsible because he didn't think up the idea, he only executed it, and it's perfectly ethical for him to blame it all on Janet? Really?

I know your sense of "ethics" is better than that.

"Janet made me do it" is weak. It was a stupid publicity stunt, but as Obi-Wan Kenobi would say, "who's more foolish? the fool or the fool who follows it?"

You tell me.

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banks said:

Good lord.
Are we STILL on this?

Okay. If you read the article that you posted, you see that for the SECOND TIME in a row right after this happened, Janet LIES about what happened. She's still trying to sell people on the "red lace bra" theory AND BLAMES JUSTIN FOR THE INCIDENT. "Timberlake was supposed to pull the flap revealing a red lace bra".

Now. PLEASE show me any pics of this "bra". She OBVIOUSLY wasn't wearing one. WHICH is why she was wearing the nipple shield to begin with. WHICH is why she'd ALREADY shot the cover of Damita Jo with her NIPPLE in the shot.

She threw Justin under the bus, not once but repeatedly after this incident. And then you're shocked that he didn't "man up" and "have her back" or "take responsibility".

She lies and blames him for the incident, and he's a "punk" for not backing her up. Again i say, BULLSHIT.

ButterscotchPimp said:

RED BRA underneath the Leather top....


He's no more than the NEW Elvis...He'll be held as King of something and said to have changed music.....as he takes all of his cues from black artists and disses as he does it.



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Rhondab said:

nice try.
that's not a "bra".
that's red lace trim peeking out at the top.


here's a better shot.






where's the broken bra strap?
i mean if it were "ripped accidentally" it wouldn't have come off THAT cleanly.
where's the underwire?
and the nipple shield just happens to cover most of the areola.
as if it were going to be seen in public.

ButterscotchPimp said:

U know what...I'll give you that....ALL of that...



BUT....Justin STILL did the ripping.

I don't by the innocent crap...AT ALL.


He knew what was up. He participated and it was HIS song and performance. You mean he had NO idea of anything.


Give me a break.


Justin is a punk.

uh..i'm on your team Name...

FOR the MILLIONTH time.
i'm not saying Justin didn't know.
OF COURSE HE KNEW.

What i'm saying AGAIN,
is right after the incident
Janet LIED and TRIED TO BLAME THE WHOLE THING ON JUSTIN.

Sure, it was his song.
But the nipple thing was HER idea.

NOW, instead of fessing up from the get-go
she threw Justin under the bus, and NOT JUST ONCE.

I don't think him distancing himself from someone who OBVIOUSLY tried to pin the entire incident on HIM, is "being a punk".

It's called "being smart".

ButterscotchPimp said:

I think what she said was she was going to do a "costume reveal," not a breast reveal. The thing about it is, I don't think either Janet or Justin wanted to show a breast. The stunt was risque, but also risky. That's what ripping clothes in front of a billion people is. Risky.

Rhondab said:

FOR the MILLIONTH time.
i'm not saying Justin didn't know.
OF COURSE HE KNEW.

What i'm saying AGAIN,
is right after the incident
Janet LIED and TRIED TO BLAME THE WHOLE THING ON JUSTIN.

Sure, it was his song.
But the nipple thing was HER idea.

NOW, instead of fessing up from the get-go
she threw Justin under the bus, and NOT JUST ONCE.

I don't think him distancing himself from someone who OBVIOUSLY tried to pin the entire incident on HIM, is "being a punk".

It's called "being smart".

ButterscotchPimp said:

I think what she said was she was going to do a "costume reveal," not a breast reveal. The thing about it is, I don't think either Janet or Justin wanted to show a breast. The stunt was risque, but also risky. That's what ripping clothes in front of a billion people is. Risky.



DUDE. LOOK AT THE OUTFIT.
you're going to SERIOUSLY try and tell me that she didn't PLAN on the world seeing her breast?????
OF COURSE it was a planned breast reveal.




The problem is that Justin appeared to be the first one issuing non-apology apologies, I'm sorry I ripped the clothes, but it wasn't my idea. Trying to apologize AND distance himself from the idea itself. He was in on it and executed it. Just own your piece.



You KEEP wanting to avoid the timing of the whole thing. He said the breast thing wasn't his idea, BECAUSE IT WASN'T HIS IDEA. So then right after it happens, JANET goes to the press first and blames the WHOLE THING ON JUSTIN. And NOT JUST ONCE.


Everyone makes mistakes. Just own up to them from the get-go. Janet owns a piece. So does Justin. Janet's piece may very well be larger than JT's. I don't completely hate him for what he did, but I'm just not buying his records anymore. Not like he'll miss my 12 bucks anyways.

FOR the MILLIONTH time.
i'm not saying Justin didn't know.
OF COURSE HE KNEW.

What i'm saying AGAIN,
is right after the incident
Janet LIED and TRIED TO BLAME THE WHOLE THING ON JUSTIN.

Sure, it was his song.
But the nipple thing was HER idea.

NOW, instead of fessing up from the get-go
she threw Justin under the bus, and NOT JUST ONCE.

I don't think him distancing himself from someone who OBVIOUSLY tried to pin the entire incident on HIM, is "being a punk".

It's called "being smart".

Janet's piece was WAY larger than Justin's. And when she attempted to blame the whole thing on Justin, she put herself on an island and made her piece MUCH BIGGER. No one in their right f-ing mind would throw her a liferaft after doing that.

Rhondab said:

the bottom line is regardless of whether the stunt went wrong or not, they both handled it poorly. even though i think he was a bunk bitch, i can understand justin mishandling the situation. he's young and new to all of this stuff. janet, on the other hand, should know how to handle damage control. she clearly had no idea what to do.

no comment for days and then a lame ass apology? she should have said something like, "it was an accident but people need to realize, in the end, it was just a boob." then she should have shut up about it and released the best song off damita jo immediately, capitalizing on all the hype. instead, they released a so-so single, the album didn't come out for another month or so, and she released a so-so second single. if she would have made the above comment followed by the release of don't stop and then rnb junkie and then toured, she would have been just fine. instead she made bad move after bad move.

yeah, justin is a punk ass bitch. we knew that when he was punk'd by ashton kutcher, though, and he practically cried to his mother. the surprise was in how bad janet would handle the situation.

another one from CNN.


Jackson spokesman Stephen Huvane said the incident "was a malfunction of the wardrobe; it was not intentional. ... He was supposed to pull away the bustier and leave the red-lace bra."

and it all started about john blackwell and mike scott

ButterscotchPimp said:

This should be moved to the GD forum as it has turned into an ethics discussion!

Pimp, all of that is understood. All I'm saying is that Janet devised it, JT agreed to it, JT pulled it and messed it up. Had Janet not drawn it up, JT never would have done it. Had JT never agreed to it, Janet would either have done it herself OR not done it at all.

Janet shouldn't have devised it. JT shouldn't have agreed to it and messed up on the execution. I wouldn't allow Janet to escape her responsibility for this ridiculous stunt. Neither one can be eliminated from the equation OR try to place blame on the other.

Both of them exposed themselves, figuratively. As ehuffsnd mentioned, it was in JT's best interest to try to distance himself from it. But that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In the words of Big Worm from Friday, it may be the "principalities" of it that caused me not to buy JT's music anymore.

But, back on point, he's a great entertainer, who's at least trying to achieve the extraordinary, and has made some enjoyable songs in the process. Regardless of whether I support him. I don't hate him so much as keep him in perspective.

ButterscotchPimp said:

This should be moved to the GD forum as it has turned into an ethics discussion!

Pimp, all of that is understood. All I'm saying is that Janet devised it, JT agreed to it, JT pulled it and messed it up. Had Janet not drawn it up, JT never would have done it. Had JT never agreed to it, Janet would either have done it herself OR not done it at all.





My whole argument is what you just said. "JT pulled it and messed it up."


HOW did Justin "mess it up"?????

He did what they BOTH agreed to.








Janet shouldn't have devised it. JT shouldn't have agreed to it and messed up on the execution. I wouldn't allow Janet to escape her responsibility for this ridiculous stunt. Neither one can be eliminated from the equation OR try to place blame on the other.

Both of them exposed themselves, figuratively. As ehuffsnd mentioned, it was in JT's best interest to try to distance himself from it. But that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. In the words of Big Worm from Friday, it may be the "principalities" of it that caused me not to buy JT's music anymore.

But, back on point, he's a great entertainer, who's at least trying to achieve the extraordinary, and has made some enjoyable songs in the process. Regardless of whether I support him. I don't hate him so much as keep him in perspective.

L4OATheOriginal said:

. . . who, by the by, can only make his shows better!

I bet he'll put on a good show. Even if he may be "playing" at playing his instruments, to an extent.

namepeace said:

don't u wish they were playing with p tho?