Rhondab said:

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, NO ONE IS DISPUTING THAT HE KNEW!!!!!

WE KNOW HE KNEW!!!!!

You cannot blame him for distancing himself from the whole thing, when the DAY AFTER IT HAPPENED, SHE LIED ABOUT IT AND BLAMED IT ON HIM!!!!

COME ON!!!!?????

ButterscotchPimp said:

Read, pimp, read.

It doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion. We're talking Justin's responsibility.

She devised it, she's responsible.

He participated, he's respomnsible.

It is undisputed that he was on that stage. It was undisputed that he agreed to go on in front of a billion people and rip a woman's clothes. It is undisputed that, regardless of how the clothes were rigged, he exposed her breast. He was in on it, and he needs to man up and own his piece of it. Not all of it. His piece of it. However big or small that might be.

How hard is that to grasp?

That goes for you too, ehuffsnd.

ButterscotchPimp said:

We're drinking "purple kool-aid" because some don't care for this prick..??

This really isn't a purple kool aid moment...at all.


oh please.....JT will still go forward "borrowing" from the past and doing his thing. He just needs to hope that Timbaland doesn't finally lose all crediblity for the stealing he does.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Come on, indeed. Own your piece and then move on. It's not about knowing that he knew. It's knowing that he did it. What's so problematic about holding them both responsible to different degrees? This is not an all or nothing proposition.

namepeace said:

Alright, i give up.
So Janet comes up with idea,
Justin agrees to participate,
(Janet's idea)
it happens,
it blows up,
day after it happens BEFORE Justin can say anything about it,
Janet lies and blames it on Justin.
Only later when it isn't at ALL believable that it wasn't a "wardrobe malfunction", she comes clean.
And it's Justin's fault that he didn't "man up".


Right.
Whatever.

ehuffnsd said:

please tell me you're joking. You don't wanna start, do you?

I'm the one who's assigned blame to both JJ and JT. I'm the one who believes that JJ is responsible for devising the stunt, and JT is responsible for executing it. They're grown people. But one of us wants to blame one person only, and excuse the other one.

So WHO has the double-standard, again?

Rhondab said:

Rhondab said:

he knew, but she came up with the idea and paid for the damn bustier Octiva designed for her. It had to be specially made.

in the end if she hadn't said Justin i have this idea do you want to do it... it never would have happened.

to demand that Justin through his carear to the wolves to stand side by side with her after the backlash is outlandish.

it only made things worse when Janet wouldn't say that it was meant to happen.

I don't think Justin knew that the bra wasn't going to be there.

ButterscotchPimp said:

You know "wardrobe malfunction" was Justin's phrase, don't you? And that Janet denied that it was a wardrobe malfunction and clarified that the stunt was intentional, right?

So, who lied about it again?

In any event, JT was in on it and didn't accept his responsibility.






We just have different ideas on acceptance of responsibility. That's fine.

ehuffnsd said:

And had Justin said no, he would have never been involved.



Yeah, accepting responsibility for a stunt you agreed to participate in would have hurt his career.

Who has a double standard, exactly?

what's the big deal? so nippelgate offended the christian right, bible-belt republicans...like they would buy a Janet jackson album anyways.

I don't care whose responsabilty it really was and who knew what? the notion that nippelgate caused her career any serious damage is laughable, she lost her audience much earlier than that. like most stars from her era did.

unless anyone can explain to me how nippelgate caused droves of tweeners to reconcidder buying a janet album instead setteling for 'highschool musical 2', the whole thing is a non isue!
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ehuffnsd said:

to demand a person to just responsiblity for his own action....that's outlandish.....the times we live it

They both have responsiblity for this mess...BOTH.

So if my daughter is with her friends....one of the friends says...lets go break that window...the friend gathers the rocks, even picks out which window....but then hands my daughter the rock...my daughter throws the rock and they both get caught.....my daughter should get a pass because it wasn't her idea and she didn't gather the rocks.....right?

She should do all she can to make sure she has no part in it to save herself from the wrath of RHONDAB Or should she take responsiblity for her actions and not leave her friend out to dry to save her own ass?


What ethics do ppl have nowadays? The selfishness is killing me.....lawd

Rhondab said:

he appologized yet people are upset he sold her out. that is the double standard.

what was he supposed to do?
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Rhondab said:[quote]

ehuffnsd said:

The human reaction and the ethical reaction are two different things. If they went to juvie, both of them go. The simple elements of liability in a conspiracy are this. Anything done in furtherance of the conspiracy makes the person liable as if they themselves had done everything in the conspiracy. A certain soon-to-be-former professional football player learned that lesson the hard way.

But by your example, the person that cast the rock of her own free will isn't really responsible for breaking the window. My mother wouldn't have cared who put me up to it. I did it and I would have been punished for it.




Okay, you're out of your mind on this one. You believe that he agreed to pull the blouse, then went on stage and pulled the blouse . . . during a duet where she was singing HIS SONG . . . but he's not responsible because he didn't think up the idea, he only executed it, and it's perfectly ethical for him to blame it all on Janet? Really?

I know your sense of "ethics" is better than that.

"Janet made me do it" is weak. It was a stupid publicity stunt, but as Obi-Wan Kenobi would say, "who's more foolish? the fool or the fool who follows it?"

You tell me.

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Rhondab said:

umm you quoted Rhonda and not me.

HamsterHuey said:

was the timberlake show good? did you go? i asked people this question a while back and all i got was the typical, prince sycophant type responses.

namepeace said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

they are both at fault yes, for they both knew.

however when CBS said they both needed to appologize to appear on the Grammys and Justin did and JJ didn't. It's not Justin's fault JJ had to pay the price of her not wanting to.


from a business prespective I'm sure it made more sense for him to do what would allow him to contiune to make money. JJ not appologizing and appearing on the Grammys follow that by her ignoring her fan base when it came to decision on what put on her last two albums killed her carear not Justin

sassybritches said:

i saw opening night and loved everything but the 20min Timbaland interlude

ehuffnsd said:

really? well, 20 minutes is enough time for me to have a slash and grab another overpriced beer. how long was the show? which songs off the new record did he do?

see, i don't like justified but i love most of futuresexlovesound so i'm trying to decide if the spectacle will be worth the cover price.

how was the choreography and special effects? costumes? is it worth my money?

i know, you'd think i'm buying a house.

sassybritches said:

He did all but 2 songs from FSLS and I saw him on Elvis' bday he did a couple covers of Elvis, he did the hits from Justified.

THe cherography was identical to all the cherography from the videos. He had 4 male dancers mostly in that 40's hiphop insipried look from the album. the 4 girls dancers were similar styled but their costumes looked cheap and off the rack.

it was in the round and had some screens that would drop to have differnt images projected on them. only special effects were some lasers during the opening and Rock Your Body.

ehuffnsd said:

oh really? i might skip it then. i need a BIG show if i'm gonna go to a big venue for some pop act. madonna and christina put on a show worthy of hp pavilion, i don't know if that sounds like a worthy show.

sassybritches said:

Christina uses Jamie King to direct her shows

Justin was like the Musicology Tour meets the WHo's That Girl Tour.

ehuffnsd said:

ah...two average shows. gotcha. thanks for the info!

ehuffnsd said:

from a business prespective I'm sure it made more sense for him to do what would allow him to contiune to make money. JJ not appologizing and appearing on the Grammys follow that by her ignoring her fan base when it came to decision on what put on her last two albums killed her carear not Justin[/quote]

As you know, ethics and business don't always meet. I understand his business motivations. And I don't really care about it from the standpoint of what it did to Janet's career; as you and CPimp adequately put it, it was her prior career choices that sent her career into decline. My very first comment on this topic was that I didn't like how JT handled the situation, but that he's a great entertainer. I don't blame JT for the whole incident, or for killing Janet's career.

In my eyes he's a punk ass man and I don't like punk ass men, plain and simple!

It was HIS damn song, in which are the lyrics..."I'll have you naked by the end of this song." Then he proceeded to rip off her clothing and exposing her tittie! That's exactly what they BOTH knew was going to happen!

There's no way in hell anyone can convince me that they did not concoct that little stunt TOGETHER! I also think Superbowl, MTV and CBS folks knew about it before hand and they sold her out too! The commercials leading up to the Superbowl kept promising something SHOCKING! It damn sure couldn't have gotten any more shocking than that

It just backfired! Had the MAJORITY of folks watching thought it was funny, like I did. ALL of 'em would have been stepping over each other to claim responsibility!

banks said:

Thanks for addressing the fact Damita Jo hadn't even been released when the Superbowl incident ocurred.

He/she was ranting so much like they knew what they were talking about that I started to have some doubts...thinking that perhaps it had already been released prior to the Superbowl incident...eventhough I knew for a fact that it hadn't.

ButterscotchPimp said:

fyi i never liked him b4 any of the above u mentioned ..and i sure don't like him not after what u mentioned

Rhondab said:

Hehehe, says WHO? The woman that exposed her breast on national tele? Of course she would say it.

Even if it was true, it was her faulty wardrobe and she should apologise to JT. Who the fuck does she think she is, freakin' Madonna? Then make a book and have it over with.

PurpleCharm said:

I believe the Superbowl was 2/1/04 and Damita was released 3/30/04...Just that statement that Damita Jo was Tanking and she was desperate was all kinda WRONG !