This is one of those topics that makes the Org look BAD.

LET IT GO.

Justin Timberlake is talented, period.
Sure he's just at the beginning of his career, but for his 1st 2 efforts he's on pace to be around for a long time.

All of this made up "he dissed Prince", "Prince dissed him" crap is just that. NONE of us have spoken to either one of them about the other, so everything you've read has been some shit that someone ELSE wrote to sell some papers or to make a name for themselves. The only 2 people that really know are Prince and JT.

FutureSex/LoveSounds is A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN Planet Earth. Period.
It's actually better than the last 3 Prince albums if you really want to get into it.

If you want to give Prince credit for still being around after all these years, then fine. It's great that he's still out here. If you want to put your head/ears in the sand and not notice that Prince hasn't seriously fallen off of his game in the studio, then do that. I won't. Planet Earth is garbage. 3121 was for the most part too, and Musicology was mediocre at best. The last really good Prince album was TRC.

"Prince's worst is better than Justin's best", isn't true. You're getting Prince's worst right now, and it isn't better than Justin's best, and we're not even sure this is Justin's best yet. That remains to be seen.

If you want that to be more fair then just look at their 1st 2 releases. I think Justin wins there.

And finally.

You know who's to blame for Janet's career falling the eff off?????
JANET DAMITA JACKSON.
Mostly for letting that little troll of a boyfriend of hers, eff with a formula that made her rich and famous in the first place.
Secondly for not recognizing that the same sex tricks that worked when she was a younger woman, don't work anymore at the age she's at.

It was JANET'S camp that came up with the "nipplegate" idea in the first place. It was JANET that signed off on it. JANET miscalculated how some shit like that would go over at the SUPER BOWL, and Justin's supposed to volunteer to throw his career under the bus with hers????? I would have done the SAME THING.

enough already.
Justin's at the beginning of his career and getting some well deserved props. don't hate.
Prince is in the twilight of his career and deserves props for still being able to bring it live, but like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis in the twilight of their careers, he sounds like a pale comic book version of the artist he used to be.
and Janet Jackson's career is exactly where it's supposed to be, because her music isn't what it used to be and "nipplegate' didn't do that.

whew.
[Edited 8/22/07 7:11am]

ButterscotchPimp said:

Speaks volumes about character huh. And this doesn't say anything about the org at all. Just another damn day.



I've said before that we are in the times when success without integrity is how things are done.


Nothing I've said has discounted JTs talent only his character as a man....which should be more important.


The comparsion to JT and Prince's current releases has always been silly. Prince is a 50 year old man who is making music he wants to make...JT is young and using his so called influences (Michael and Prince) as a basis to his music and being successful at it.

I'm speaking to character. Justin agreed to rip the leather off of Janets top.

HamsterHuey said:

I don't buy that. Janet has been in this business a long time. She was in the television business long before JT was born. I highly, highly doubt she would have conceived that.

And, in any event, if I were Janet's "friend," I would have tried to deflect some of the attention from her, even if she were being stupid, because I was stupid enough to go along.

Rhondab said:

What does it have to do with "character"?
It wasn't HIS idea!
It wasn't HIS tittie!

He agreed to perform with her and pull the flap, so he's supposed to jump under the bus with her? Bullshit. You can make it a white/black thing, a man/woman thing, whatever gets you to sleep at night.

it's a stupid/non-stupid thing.
it was a stupid idea of JANET'S that Justin agreed to play along with.

I'm sure if she'd been HONEST from the jump, and just admitted that it was staged then if i were Justin there wouldn't have been a problem. She FIRST lied about it, which made the whole thing MUCH worse, and then later tried to backpeddle her way out of it.

And Justin's supposed to throw his neck in the guillotine, for what? To save Janet's career (which mind you , was already failing because that record was tanking already, which is WHY she came up with the gimmick in the first place)?
Sorry, I ain't buying it. Has NOTHING to do with "character". Has everything to do with smart business. And it is the music BUSINESS, by the way.

namepeace said:

Oh, if it wasn't Janet's idea whose was it????? Justin's???? Please.
Damita Jo was TANKING. She was desperate to do something to get back in the limelight, and when she got halftime at the Super Bowl, she took her shot. She miscalculated.

Who said he was Janet's "friend"???? YOU said that! Maybe someone in the media said that. It's not his responsiblity to throw his career on the fire to take some of the heat off of Janet!!! She's a grown-ass woman. She made her mistake, she should have owned up to it from the beginning. It's not anyone else responsibily but hers.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Damita Jo wasn't even released to Months later ....

ButterscotchPimp said:

Whew, indeed. What a rant!

I'll just deal with the subject matter that covered the ground I covered.



I don't doubt that. I havent heard FS/LS, but it's a fresher sound from a newer voice. It's like comparing Kobe Bryant in 2002 versus Michael Jordan 2002. Much more fun to watch KB at that point, because he's just beginning to hit his stride.



Actually, I think the last really good Prince album was The Gold Experience. The last 3 Prince albums hit me in moments, but never as a whole album. I gave up on trying to get the next "great" Prince album somewhere around New Power Soul. I think Prince was permanently thrown from his artistic groove after Lovesexy. So, if I can get a few good "moments" in a given Prince album, I'm good, and he usually delivers that. A "1+1+1=3" here, a last minute of "The Dance" there, and it's fine with me.

(Some of us are realistic here, "pimp.")

The point is that, at this point in his career, if Prince can summon anything at all that can capture the audience's attention, he's doing well. Back to the Kobe '02-Michael '02 example: if MJ '02 can average 18 a game well past his prime, some will say, compared to 10 years ago, he's garbage. Others will say, if that's what he wants to do, if he can do anything to be competitive, that's cool with me, knowing that he doesn't have anything to prove.



He's a great entertainer, and a Memphian. He's made some songs I enjoy, and I own one of his albums. I couldn't hate him.



That's a little harsh. I see what you're saying, but I think Prince has done everything he can do, and if he can add a little nuance or facet here and there with each effort, that's cool.



I think those of us focusing on "nipplegate" arent' blaming Justin for ending Janet's career. Arguably, her career ended after her last decent effort, The Velvet Rope. I think we're opining on how Justin handled his bidness in that situation, not how Janet has (mis)managed hers. You've got it twisted, "pimp."

My, my, Pimp, you're sprightly.

ButterscotchPimp said:

So, it was Janet's idea to flash a breast on national television.



She wasn't alone on stage. Last I checked, JT was on stage with her. There is no doubt that her stunt went awry. And she deserves blame for that. But JT was there too, "pimp."



Maybe everyone was reporting they had dated prior to that time (oh wait, everyone WAS reporting they had dated back in 2002!). Which is why I said "friend" in quotes. And how would you know if they weren't? Are you friends with either?



so . . . Janet ripped her OWN clothes while performing HER song?

I don't know about you, but my folks taught me that if I participate in a mistake, I own up to my role in it and move on. That's manning up, "pimp."

If you want to participate in a stunt that goes awry and then run from it, and let the woman take the heat for it, that is certainly your prerogative. We just have a difference of opinion.
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namepeace said:

agreed....on both posts

banks said:

Damita Jo was the album that she was working for that performance.

namepeace said:

Dude got it all wrong.... She got the superbowl gig before Damita Jo was even released.. So how could it be Tanking when it was not even availabe for purchase .. There wasn't even a new Janet single at the time of her performance.

ButterscotchPimp said:

I know... you said it was Tanking and I'm baffled at how something could be Tanking if it was not yet available to be purchased

namepeace said:

Again, that's your extremely one-sided view of the situation.

banks said:

Dude.
Pay attention.
I'll type slow.

First, it was what THREE years ago? I was a little off on the timing, but the facts are basically the same.

Her previous album sales for All For You were POOR.
The Super Bowl performance was supposed to create hype for the new record.
She wanted to do something "controversial" to sell records, and it BACKFIRED.
and actually to prove my point, i'll share a little known fact outside of the record company.





IF the "nipplegate" performance HAD gone well? The original artwork for Damita Jo had her nipple in the cover pic. AFTER it went wrong, the label had to scramble and black out the nipple in the artwork.

namepeace said:

AND another thing, that i was just reminded of in looking up the date of the Super Bowl.

The DAY after it happened, JANET'S people released a statement that JUSTIN was supposed to pull off the bustier and reveal a "red bra"!!!!! THE DAY AFTER, JANET'S people panicked and attempted to throw JUSTIN under the bus!!!!!

and you wonder WHY Justin didn't run to Janet's defense when she finally decided to come clean?

don't believe me GOOGLE the article.
and the thing i said about the original Damita Jo artwork is absolutely true. I kept some of the original posters.

ButterscotchPimp said:

So I pointed out that Damita Jo was not released as you stated "You got to type slow for me" ? I can read and comprehend... I don't give a fuck what you feel about Justin or Janet... I saw something that you wrote that was not correct and i spoke on it... The fact that you admitted above that you was wrong in stating that Damita jo was not released is all i'm talking about... so your statement above that it was Tanking at the time of her performance is wrong .

banks said:

Fine.
It tanked right after.

Y'all a buncha racists!

Rhondab said:

but if you look at the closes up of the cup the lace was swown in. Janet knew her breast was going to be exposed. that's why she were a nipple shield vs a regular nipple ring.

Janet put that damn costume on. Janet paid for the damn costume. Janet had the damn costume make to fit her idea. Those outfits take at least a week to make.

ButterscotchPimp said:

When Justin agreed to participate, he was responsible. The whole stunt didn't make sense, we can agree on that. But no one held a gun to Justin's head to do that. He went along. And it exploded. And to many, he didn't own up to his responsibility for participating in the stunt.



How Janet reacted doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion. We're talking about Justin's role. Janet may have drawn up the stunt, and deserves blame for that, but Justin was in on it the minute he said yes and took the stage. How HE took responsibility for HIS actions is the focus.

And I didn't mention the Damita Jo artwork.

i give up

namepeace said:

What do you mean, how she reacted "doesn't matter"?????
Some of you are blaming JT for his "lack of character" and the fact that he should have "manned up"!
THE DAY AFTER IT HAPPENED SHE LIED ABOUT IT AND BLAMED IT ON HIM!!!!!
He's supposed to do her a favor?????
PLEASE
STOP
THE
MADNESS.

ehuffnsd said:

THANK YOU.
A voice of reason.....
rare in here.....

ButterscotchPimp said:

Double Standard is a long time poster to the org.

L4OATheOriginal said:

My apologies for participating in the highjacking of your thread.

banks said:

i appreciate u'r apologies ..but hey i can't control what people think and feel...

I'm not trying to hi-jack anything.
It's just annoying as hell how some of the purple kool-aid drinking folks keep referring to JT as "timber-fake" (it's not funny or clever).

if you don't like his music, fine.
but a chunk of you only dislike Justin Timberlake either A) because of some perceived feud between him and the Purple Midget or B) because of Nipplegate and i don't think either is fair.

make up your own damned minds and stop being purple sheep for god's sake.

ehuffnsd said:

That has NOTHING to do with Justin AGREEING to rip it off. We know that the thing was to come off...but the bra wasn't.

You think Justin had NO idea what was going on....give me a break.

Its that Justin KNEW what was going on and when the thing happened he bailed. Janet has responsibility in this matter but Justin isn't innocent AND he did leave her out to dry.


Doesn't matter whose idead it was...Justin was a WILLING participant.

ButterscotchPimp said:

I was mentioning how this is viewed by some.....


on some level it could go there though...easily.