Check this out. Especially all the "politically correct' and "down" types out there:
http://www.nytimes.com/20...GtCMVoAIPw

Didn't know Elvis had "haters" on this board. Did you take a poll or something?
[Edited 8/11/07 23:05pm]

jjhunsecker said:

maybe your the elvis hater here not us
i liked elvis his more famous stuff like suspicous minds hound dogg etc

and for him being a racist maybe , he probaly was thought wrongly you learn some basis principles from your parents for example a friend of mine is racist even though he listens to black music( mj prince marvin gaye among others )
but stil every collord person is bad in his eyes , ( uses lame excuse some of them are ok but then again he looks down on them) but his parents are like that

so if elvis was racist he might got it from his enviroment

I'm quite the opposite of an Elvis hater. I thought he was extraordinarily talented, and perhaps one of the 4 or 5 greatest singers ever

But whenever Elvis is mentioned on this site, the "haters" come out with their usaul rhetoric: he "stole" our music, he was "racist", etc, etc. And someone never fails to quote that tired Public Enemy lyric from 2 decades ago (which Chuck D himself has backed off from )

jjhunsecker said:

why do people think elvis is greater then michael jackson

TotalAlisa said:

please... don't go there, you'll bring a seige

jjhunsecker said:

This is true. There was a (now discredited) rumour back in the '50s that Elvis supposedly made a racist statement, and since then, there seems to have grown a a lot of rhetoric and folklore (also thoroughly discredited by biographical research), to the above effect as you outline.

It's sad that such folklore has been taken onboard as 'fact' to a certain extent, especially when it seems most black performers of his generation (including James Brown, BB King, Little Richard and many others) had great respect for Elvis as a performer and person.

It's interesting that Elvis is perhaps the single most controversial artist mentioned to any great extent on the Org. Any thread dealing with him seems to attract more negative comments and divided opinions than any other. Not bad for a completely non-political (in public), generally inoffensive all-round singer, light film actor and latterday cabaret entertainer now 30 years gone ...

Still, like him or not, his reputation has lasted over 50 years so far, so I'd say his stature is pretty secure, even if his true impact and meaning has perhaps become obscured by time.

This argument is so old and tired.
Unfortunately, many folks on this board (and in the general population) are just too lazy to do any research on anything.
They're quite willing to accept things as they lay on the surface because it's easy.

I did a post on this issue last year (with supporting info from a poster named Eileen): The Elvis "Quote" Myth

The link in my post used in association with this statement...

A Calvin Newborn tribute site that mentions the Newborn's relationship with Elvis:

...should be substitued with this one - http://yellowdogrecords.c...raphy.html
(the original one has expired)

Even with all this data supplied, i'm sure this topic will continue to resurface in all its inaccurate glory.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

In the Ghetto is one of my favorite songs of all time.

Quote from linked article -



Ha. I like that. That's what they called Duke Ellington back in the '20 and '30s, when the expression was fashionable

MIchael had the biggest impact on the world... EVEN TODAY..

i don't want to offend anyone... but i think elvis is really big in white society... but not many asians, blacks, or latinos care or even know any songs from elvis.... EVERYONE ONE KNOWS MICHAEL JACKSON...

I heard that elvis copied little richard.. and other black rock and roll stars

TotalAlisa said:

You can't speak for different races - from your post, you don't even know that much about that man or who he "copied" from, so how can you post an informed post?

JesseDezz said:

thats my whole point... Minorites DON'T know much or care about elvis...
MICHAEL is well know around the world... and people know him and his music...
he has a bigger impact... SO back to the point.. HOW IS elvis bigger then MJ

TotalAlisa said:

Michael copied James Brown, Little Richard, and other black rock stars. The point is...?

guitarslinger44 said:

she probably thinks its cool because michael is black wheras Elvis stole his influences because hes white
she does make a point though
but i aint getting into that right now

guitarslinger44 said:

YES he did.. but michael took elements and made it his OWN.. and even better then james brown and lil richard.. thats what a GREAT artist like michael does... and so many young artist today.. try to copy michael.. but they have NOT been able to perform better then MJ...


My point is MICHAEL had a bigger impact on society then elvis... and stil has influence even to this day....


how many young people/artist do you say they were inspired by elvis

The average person can sing a MJ song... but Not know one Elvis song..

why...

because elvis only had an impact on white people during his time period..
MICHAEL'S impact was on every race, young and old... rich and poor

michael's impact will never go away... its been 20 plus years since thriller.. and Prisoners in some foreign country was performing MJ's video in Jail.

I doubt anyone would be singing a Elvis song....

im too lazy to edit my last post, but i wanna add that
Elvis inadvertedly used Black music to become popular.
His claim to fame isn't his own alleged virile uses of music
But because pop culture at the time was only white friendly.
Doesn't mean he was racist, just the cats that where listening to him and promoting him.
See the culprit isn't Elvis its record producers like John Hammond, who like an infectious germ, leached off of black artist and used them, because they were black.
Elvis has nothing to do with the hardships of the begginning/struggling black musicians,
he was just a product.

The evil doer here is the Record Companies...
thats it
aint different today also

TotalAlisa said:

Thing is, you really don't know what you're talking about. Again, you can't speak for an entire race. What did you do - go door to door? And do you know anything about music history besides Prince and Michael Jackson?

With age comes wisdom. You've got a few more years to go...

JesseDezz said:

hey hey hey age aint got nothing to do with it
don't lump all us young folks in with one possibly semi retarded individual,
[Edited 8/12/07 14:04pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

The thing is, you don't have to take a poll or go door to door to find out Elvis' lack of popularity with the Black community. It is as simple as viewing charts from that time period to track his crossover appeal. I happen to agree with TotalAlisa: Michael's appeal is universal: I can ask my 12 yeard old daughter who Michael is and who Elvis is and I bet sh'es never heard of Elvis. While I cannot speak for the entire black community, I can speak for the people I know and say we are not and have not been Elvis fans.

I do not see the point in the two of you resorting to insults to prove a point by the way.

This thread ain't nothing but the devil.

Lothan said:

you can't compare the two because Michael is in the media all the time and Elvis has been dead for 30 years now.
its moot

JesseDezz said:

stop bringing up age... I know that if a song sounds good... i will like it.. and there is NOT a elvis song that i can say.. that i thought sound good...

its NOT about age and experience.. to know and enjoy a nice song....
Michael's music is seriously timeless.... elvis is very dated...and you have to like that genre to enjoy it...

but anyone can enjoy a handful of MJ songs... he's very Eclectic

Im not saying elvis isn't great in his own right... but im saying michael is the biggest artist in HISTORY...

You like Michael Jackson better than Elvis - cool. You believe he is the biggest superstar - cool. What I'm saying, and what you and Lothan don't seem to get is that you can't speak for an entire races/races to back up you statement/belief. And I repeat, if you haven't gone door to door throughout the world polling people, you cannot generalize. Period.

And with age does come wisdom. Trust me on that

JesseDezz said:

How old are you?

Like I said in my post, there is a way to tell Elvis' popularity back then by simply following the charts from that time period and I also said that I can only formulate my opinion on the popularity of Elvis in the Black community by the people I know.

But seriously, does one need to poll people to measure the popularity of say, the Beatles?

Timmy84 said:

Desparate act to stir up arguments(hence; the "haters" disclaimer when nobody hated or even worried about him). Poor type of agenda, really

And about Alisa/Lothan's comments; its pretty obvious who's more relevent. Poll or not
[Edited 8/12/07 16:08pm]

JesseDezz said:

YOur not saying anything.. that makes elvis a bigger star then michael..

just because white society wants to claim elvis is the greatest doesnt' mean anything...

influence on our culture speaks for itself... and who has the most impact.. and that is MICHAEL JACKSON... everyone to this day is still trying to be the next MJ or is influenced by him... even robin thick, pharrell, JUstin T, Beyonce, usher, omarion, ciara, britney spears,

You know im seriously hating this "Grestest" motif in pop culture,
i mean what does it matter anyway.
saying one or the other doesn't mean a thing because it will forever
only be an Opinion.
Theres no way to tell whos the more relevent artist unless you categorize a worldwide poll.

christ just letitgo

EmbattledWarrior said:

i just want to know what did elvis do that was so great... ?????