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Reply #30 posted 08/17/07 2:21pm

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"Todo está bien chévere" Stevie
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Reply #31 posted 08/17/07 2:27pm

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LittleSmedley said:

dammme said:


... and the most overrated ever... or that goes to Nirvana?
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Nirvana had something.

No, i'd say most overated is Beach Boys. I like the singles but they weren't THAT good.

Or Bob Dylan.
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Reply #32 posted 08/17/07 2:28pm

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Honestly, I like (not Love) The Beatles music and some John Lennon stuff...

IMO, he's very much overrated by music fans...much like Hendrix and U2.
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #33 posted 08/17/07 2:31pm

Scooter

He'll be remembered for his attitude, his triumphs, his wisdom, his charm, his wit and humour, his musicianship,his politics, his songwriting, his foresight, but most of all for his legacy.....
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Reply #34 posted 08/17/07 2:31pm

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Revolution said:

Honestly, I like (not Love) The Beatles music and some John Lennon stuff...

IMO, he's very much overrated by music fans...much like Hendrix and U2.

there´s no way Hendrix can be overrated omfg
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Reply #35 posted 08/17/07 2:36pm

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dammme said:

Revolution said:

Honestly, I like (not Love) The Beatles music and some John Lennon stuff...

IMO, he's very much overrated by music fans...much like Hendrix and U2.

there´s no way Hendrix can be overrated omfg


THAT'S what i'm talkin' 'bout, right there...lol
You made my point brotha...Jimi could play, but where's the sexy? where's the singing voice? where's the prettymaness? Where's the songwriting? He could play guitar, but that doesn't cut it for me...bring more to the table...

Prince, as much credit as this brotha gets around here, STILL is underrated
as a musician and overall McNastyfied Mess that he is...
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #36 posted 08/17/07 2:43pm

SPYZFAN1

Loved John Lennon. Right up there with Bob Marley. Cried my eyes out when he was kiled.
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Reply #37 posted 08/17/07 2:52pm

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Miles said:

I really like most of Lennon's Beatles work, but only like very selective Lennon solo tracks. Partly due to the then-fashionable primal scream therapy he undertook at the end of the '60s, far too many of his solo songs imo come across as the naive, out of touch with the real world musings of an incredibly self-obsessed millionaire and his sometime loving wife.

By his own admission, he deliberately drew on himself for his solo songs, which perhaps explains why his solo work is so much weaker overall imo than his Beatles work, as he seems to have become an even more isolated figure after the Beatles finished than before, and so had less and less new experiences to fuel his new song-writing.

More or less , the direction he John took on his solo material had a lot to do with his sensibilities at the time. While in the Beatles and writing with Paul, he was more focused and had oppurtunity to different input on songs then his own which impacts the directs of the music.

Miles said:

My favourate solo Lennon tracks -

Cold Turkey, Instant Karma, Jealous Guy (tho I prefer the Bryan Ferry version, which I view as the classic version smile), Watching the Wheels, Nobody Told Me and possibly my favourate, No. 9 Dream.

nod I would have to agree with you as well. These are timeless classics.
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Reply #38 posted 08/17/07 2:56pm

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Loved John Lennon. Right up there with Bob Marley. Cried my eyes out when he was kiled.

nod Co-sign. I felt that the tribute song that Elton John & Bernie wrote
:Empty Garden was so befitting.

Here are the Lyrics:

What happened here
As the New York sunset disappeared
I found an empty garden among the flagstones there
Who lived here
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And now it all looks strange
It's funny how one insect can damage so much grain

And what's it for
This little empty garden by the brownstone door
And in the cracks along the sidewalk nothing grows no more
Who lived here
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And we are so amazed we're crippled and we're dazed
A gardener like that one no one can replace

And I've been knocking but no one answers
And I've been knocking most all the day
Oh and I've been calling oh hey hey Johnny
Can't you come out to play

And through their tears
Some say he farmed his best in younger years
But he'd have said that roots grow stronger if only he could hear
Who lived there
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
Now we pray for rain, and with every drop that falls
We hear, we hear your name

Johnny can't you come out to play in your empty garden
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Reply #39 posted 08/17/07 3:04pm

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Reply #40 posted 08/17/07 3:08pm

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so the lennon crowd has come together wink
[Edited 8/17/07 15:20pm]
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Reply #41 posted 08/17/07 3:13pm

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The Plastic Ono band and the Imagine albums are masterpieces; the rest of his solo career is blah...(at least until Double Fantasy, which has some great tracks)

By the way, I don't like Imagine that much, I can't stand its lyrics...

PD: PAUL WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAV BEATLE razz
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Reply #42 posted 08/18/07 6:01am

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JoeTyler said:

The Plastic Ono band and the Imagine albums are masterpieces; the rest of his solo career is blah...(at least until Double Fantasy, which has some great tracks)

By the way, I don't like Imagine that much, I can't stand its lyrics...

PD: PAUL WILL ALWAYS BE MY FAV BEATLE razz
[Edited 8/17/07 15:15pm]


Yes, I agree. His solo career is inconsistent. But I love the Plastic Ono Band album!
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Reply #43 posted 08/18/07 8:31am

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I like his pop friendly hits too! They came out at the end (and after) (people don't mention these songs too much) Woman, Starting Over, Nobody told Me.
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Reply #44 posted 08/18/07 8:47am

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bobzilla77 said:

Love Lennon & glad to see Plastic Ono Band mentioned. That is easily the best Beatles solo record & the Beatles-related thing I listen to most often.

hmph! Plastic Ono Band is probably #2, but the best solo Beatle record is All Things Must Pass.
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Reply #45 posted 08/18/07 9:19am

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MsLegs said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Loved John Lennon. Right up there with Bob Marley. Cried my eyes out when he was kiled.

nod Co-sign. I felt that the tribute song that Elton John & Bernie wrote
:Empty Garden was so befitting.

Here are the Lyrics:

What happened here
As the New York sunset disappeared
I found an empty garden among the flagstones there
Who lived here
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And now it all looks strange
It's funny how one insect can damage so much grain

And what's it for
This little empty garden by the brownstone door
And in the cracks along the sidewalk nothing grows no more
Who lived here
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
And we are so amazed we're crippled and we're dazed
A gardener like that one no one can replace

And I've been knocking but no one answers
And I've been knocking most all the day
Oh and I've been calling oh hey hey Johnny
Can't you come out to play

And through their tears
Some say he farmed his best in younger years
But he'd have said that roots grow stronger if only he could hear
Who lived there
He must have been a gardener that cared a lot
Who weeded out the tears and grew a good crop
Now we pray for rain, and with every drop that falls
We hear, we hear your name

Johnny can't you come out to play in your empty garden


Possibly the best tribute song ever. Elton has said he almost never/ever performs it because it is too painful and too special, and its true i have checked Eltons set lists through the years and he has almost never played the song live. Obviously the Lennon influence on the world grew because of his tragic death, its that way with almost anyone, but unlike many others that died tragically and were more famous after death, Lennon was an infuence before his death. But it is always best to seperate Lennon the Musician and Lennon the man, two very different people. I do feel at the time of his death at age 40 Lennon was finally growing up as a man, being responsible and things like that, and you could hear it in that last interview done that morning.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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