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Printabledaingermouz2020 said: MICHAEL'S KIDS ARE HIS KIDS JUST LIKE MY CELL PHONE IS MINE. BECAUSE I BOUGHT. IT. MICHAEL WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE BIOLOGICAL KID BECAUSE HE KNOWS DISPITE ALL HIS PLASTIC SURGERY HIS CHILD COULD POSSIBLY COME OUT WITH A NICE BIG NOSE JUST LIKE THE ONE MICHAEL HAD. ONCE MICHAEL PASSES AWAY WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT ALOT MORE ABOUT MICHAEL THAT IS GOING TO ROCK OUR WORLD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TO FAR INTO THE FUTURE. When all the info eventually comes out, it's only his deluded fans that will be surprised. I think the vast majority of people realise that those aren't his kids, we haven't heard the full story about his skin colour, he's gay, he's overdosed on plastic surgery, his finances are a mess, etc, etc. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Or, it could be the other way around. Theres two sides of a coin.
daingermouz2020 said: I FEEL SORRY FOR MICHAEL A LITTLE. I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE HE IS AWARE.
OF WHAT A MESS HE HAS MADE OF HIMSELF. HE HAS TO REALIZE THE PUBLIC THAT BELIEVED HIM BACK IN 1982-93 DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. MICHAEL'S KIDS ARE HIS KIDS JUST LIKE MY CELL PHONE IS MINE. BECAUSE I BOUGHT. IT. MICHAEL WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE BIOLOGICAL KID BECAUSE HE KNOWS DISPITE ALL HIS PLASTIC SURGERY HIS CHILD COULD POSSIBLY COME OUT WITH A NICE BIG NOSE JUST LIKE THE ONE MICHAEL HAD. ONCE MICHAEL PASSES AWAY WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT ALOT MORE ABOUT MICHAEL THAT IS GOING TO ROCK OUR WORLD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TO FAR INTO THE FUTURE. Michael could care less if the baby mama was white, black, green, purple, plaid or glitter. He may be insecure about his own image, but for his own potential children? Thats going too far. Oh, and your last statement is fucked up.   [Edited 8/23/07 6:42am] White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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midnightmover said: daingermouz2020 said: MICHAEL'S KIDS ARE HIS KIDS JUST LIKE MY CELL PHONE IS MINE. BECAUSE I BOUGHT. IT. MICHAEL WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE BIOLOGICAL KID BECAUSE HE KNOWS DISPITE ALL HIS PLASTIC SURGERY HIS CHILD COULD POSSIBLY COME OUT WITH A NICE BIG NOSE JUST LIKE THE ONE MICHAEL HAD. ONCE MICHAEL PASSES AWAY WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT ALOT MORE ABOUT MICHAEL THAT IS GOING TO ROCK OUR WORLD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TO FAR INTO THE FUTURE. When all the info eventually comes out, it's only his deluded fans that will be surprised. I think the vast majority of people realise that those aren't his kids, we haven't heard the full story about his skin colour, he's gay, he's overdosed on plastic surgery, his finances are a mess, etc, etc. There's gonna be alot that will be revealed in the future, but it's all about who tells the story. The only thing in that list that I don't agree with is that he's gay(he's more asexual and has major issues with sex), but that's another issue that we already discussed to the ground last year on the org. 
[Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] [Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: midnightmover said: When all the info eventually comes out, it's only his deluded fans that will be surprised. I think the vast majority of people realise that those aren't his kids, we haven't heard the full story about his skin colour, he's gay, he's overdosed on plastic surgery, his finances are a mess, etc, etc. There's gonna be alot that will be revealed in the future, but it's all about who tells the story. The only thing in that list that I don't agree with is that he's gay(he's more asexual and has major issues with sex), but that's another issue that we already discussed to the ground last year on the org.
[Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] [Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] I know and I'm certainly not gonna get into some timewasting argument about it. All I'll say is that people will look back on this much the same way they look back on Freddie Mercury now. My sister for instance simply can't believe that people didn't know he was gay. How could anyone not know? But the fact is the vast majority of his audience genuinely had no clue. It's the same with Michael now. People looking back will be amazed that all those millions of people couldn't spot what was so obvious. P.S. You know who was also perceived by many to be "asexual" at the height of their fame, don't you? Boy George. Yes, the singing drag queen. His famous quote was "Sex? I'd rather have a cup of tea". Most of his fans were naive enough to believe it.
[Edited 8/23/07 11:12am] [Edited 8/25/07 16:00pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: bboy87 said: There's gonna be alot that will be revealed in the future, but it's all about who tells the story. The only thing in that list that I don't agree with is that he's gay(he's more asexual and has major issues with sex), but that's another issue that we already discussed to the ground last year on the org.
[Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] [Edited 8/23/07 10:28am] I know and I'm certainly not gonna get into some time wasting argument about it. All I'll say is that people will look back on this much the same way they look back on Freddie Mercury now. My sister for instance simply can't believe that people didn't know he was gay. How could anyone not know? But the fact is the vast majority of his audience genuinely had no clue. It's the same with Michael now. People looking back will be amazed that all those millions of people couldn't spot what was so obvious. P.S. You know who was also perceived by many to be "asexual" at the height of their fame, don't you? Boy George. Yes, the singing drag queen. His famous quote was "Sex? I'd rather have a cup of tea". Most of his fans were naive enough to believe it.
[Edited 8/23/07 11:12am] we'll agree to disagree I just think he would have been outed by now.he was the most famous man on earth and the tabloids and media couldn't find anything.Even during the trial, they were looking for gay porn but all they found was a suitcase full of straight and girl/girl porn. if he's gay he must have his men on a tight ship for them not to out him after all this time
The end  [Edited 8/23/07 11:52am] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Look at his skin. It's been said that the rash was a result of Lupus:
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floetcist said: Or, it could be the other way around. Theres two sides of a coin.
daingermouz2020 said: I FEEL SORRY FOR MICHAEL A LITTLE. I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE HE IS AWARE.
OF WHAT A MESS HE HAS MADE OF HIMSELF. HE HAS TO REALIZE THE PUBLIC THAT BELIEVED HIM BACK IN 1982-93 DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. MICHAEL'S KIDS ARE HIS KIDS JUST LIKE MY CELL PHONE IS MINE. BECAUSE I BOUGHT. IT. MICHAEL WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE BIOLOGICAL KID BECAUSE HE KNOWS DISPITE ALL HIS PLASTIC SURGERY HIS CHILD COULD POSSIBLY COME OUT WITH A NICE BIG NOSE JUST LIKE THE ONE MICHAEL HAD. ONCE MICHAEL PASSES AWAY WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT ALOT MORE ABOUT MICHAEL THAT IS GOING TO ROCK OUR WORLD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TO FAR INTO THE FUTURE. If he could care less why would he lie and say Blanket's mom is black.Im sorry but that boy's mother aint black...no matter how hard I try 2 believe that I cant.His insecurites about his image could go onto his children if he chooses 2 or not.I think Mike didnt want the mother of his children to be black.I dont even think he wanted his children to have his genes because he was so scared theyd look like the Mike that he hated looking at in the mirror.my 2 cents... 
Michael could care less if the baby mama was white, black, green, purple, plaid or glitter. He may be insecure about his own image, but for his own potential children? Thats going too far. Oh, and your last statement is fucked up.
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bboy87 said: Look at his skin. It's been said that the rash was a result of Lupus:
That doesnt look like a rash.It looks like them trying to blend in his skin tone with blush. | |
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lol @ blush. Its not blush. As time goes on, Michael's skin color becomes even more uneven, and his cheeks begin to always seem to have a red tint to them due to Discoid Lupus. You’ll see it all over his face and even his neck. You’ll see it all over his face and even his neck. Same with the lip color, if you’ll notice the discoloration on the outline of the lips.
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PleasurePrinciple said: JonnyApplesauce said: He didint alter his features cuz he naturally hated Black features he was SOCIALIZED in a racist, white supremest country to dislike his Black features and he had alot of money, in an industry where everybody alters themselves anyway. Its amazing to see all these people whove never walked a block in his shoes w/ all this vitriol at what hes done. Its a lose - lose. When he had the Black features he was ridiculed to no end for having Black features. So, he took steps to stop getting ridiculed (boy was he wrong) and he ends up getting ridiculed more than ever by the same hateful, evil mother fuckers who fucked his head up in the first place AND his own people. Its a wonder hes not wearing a mask oopps I forgot, he does.
[Edited 8/21/07 20:53pm] so youre saying that since he was mocked by his BLACK brothers he automatically was teased by the entire black race?From what I understood the girls screaming at the top of their lungs for Mike when he had his black features were...BLACK!His audience seemed to turn when his face did. No, youre saying I'm saying that. I'm saying he was ridiculed across the board cuz of the Blackest things about him, like every other Black person, and he tried to change it and it got worse across the board. The girls screaming at him are a whole other issue. | |
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Oh God Damn
Hideous. And I'm not just talking about the skin bleaching. I'm talking about the overall ensemble (nose, lips, chin, cheeks, God damned ugly ass hair, and outfit). | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: PleasurePrinciple said: so youre saying that since he was mocked by his BLACK brothers he automatically was teased by the entire black race?From what I understood the girls screaming at the top of their lungs for Mike when he had his black features were...BLACK!His audience seemed to turn when his face did. No, youre saying I'm saying that. I'm saying he was ridiculed across the board cuz of the Blackest things about him, like every other Black person, and he tried to change it and it got worse across the board. The girls screaming at him are a whole other issue. And this is when?When did people(not his family) tease MJ about the "blackest" things about him?Im really curious cuz I have no fuckin clue about what the hell you are talking about.  | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: JonnyApplesauce said: No, youre saying I'm saying that. I'm saying he was ridiculed across the board cuz of the Blackest things about him, like every other Black person, and he tried to change it and it got worse across the board. The girls screaming at him are a whole other issue. And this is when?When did people(not his family) tease MJ about the "blackest" things about him?Im really curious cuz I have no fuckin clue about what the hell you are talking about. I'm agreeing with you PP. When I was growing up, every black girl that I knew thought that MJ was the most beautiful man in the world. Who critizied him? I've heard him say that a few people were shocked that he had acne when they met him in person, but black folks did not criticize his AA features. Black folks didn't start criticizing his features until he starting erasing his blackness. The MJ from the seventies..... **************************************************
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Funny you say that, because its one of the better pictures of Michael these days. Remember, it could always be worse (cough2001cough).
Imago said: Oh God Damn
Hideous. And I'm not just talking about the skin bleaching. I'm talking about the overall ensemble (nose, lips, chin, cheeks, God damned ugly ass hair, and outfit). White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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floetcist said: Funny you say that, because its one of the better pictures of Michael these days. Remember, it could always be worse (cough2001cough).
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illimack said: PleasurePrinciple said: And this is when?When did people(not his family) tease MJ about the "blackest" things about him?Im really curious cuz I have no fuckin clue about what the hell you are talking about. I'm agreeing with you PP. When I was growing up, every black girl that I knew thought that MJ was the most beautiful man in the world. Who critizied him? I've heard him say that a few people were shocked that he had acne when they met him in person, but black folks did not criticize his AA features. Black folks didn't start criticizing his features until he starting erasing his blackness. The MJ from the seventies.....THANK YOU.All the women I know that are around MJ's age tell me long stories about how they were inlove with MJ and he was the most "finest" Jackson back in the day.Then they get this look of disappointment when they talk about his face now.If he was so "criticized" about his black feautres why was it so much of a big deal when dude kept changing them. | |
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CalhounSq said: floetcist said: Funny you say that, because its one of the better pictures of Michael these days. Remember, it could always be worse (cough2001cough).
There are degrees to everything - yea, this is better than the court room pic w/ the tape on his nose but his look is still tragic I agree,atleast he can move his top lip now...but he had friggin surgery so he could smile better....you shouldnt have to get surgery so u can move parts of your face!Its all a mess.To be honest when I heard rumors of him going broke I was a bit relieved.I was just like "well,atleast he cant afford any more surgeries" | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: illimack said: I'm agreeing with you PP. When I was growing up, every black girl that I knew thought that MJ was the most beautiful man in the world. Who critizied him? I've heard him say that a few people were shocked that he had acne when they met him in person, but black folks did not criticize his AA features. Black folks didn't start criticizing his features until he starting erasing his blackness. The MJ from the seventies.....THANK YOU.All the women I know that are around MJ's age tell me long stories about how they were inlove with MJ and he was the most "finest" Jackson back in the day.Then they get this look of disappointment when they talk about his face now.If he was so "criticized" about his black feautres why was it so much of a big deal when dude kept changing them. You should know by now. MJ fans come up with the excuse first and the logic second. A very distant second. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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PleasurePrinciple said: illimack said: I'm agreeing with you PP. When I was growing up, every black girl that I knew thought that MJ was the most beautiful man in the world. Who critizied him? I've heard him say that a few people were shocked that he had acne when they met him in person, but black folks did not criticize his AA features. Black folks didn't start criticizing his features until he starting erasing his blackness. The MJ from the seventies.....THANK YOU.All the women I know that are around MJ's age tell me long stories about how they were inlove with MJ and he was the most "finest" Jackson back in the day.Then they get this look of disappointment when they talk about his face now.If he was so "criticized" about his black feautres why was it so much of a big deal when dude kept changing them. Yea but he was so isolated by his teen years - he wasn't surrounded by/being lifted up by the young Black girls who thought he was the cutest thing in the world. He was surrounded by folks who looked nothing like him, old mf's who wore suits/had a lot of $/talked a lot of shit I bet, not all of it nice or complimentary. I'm not excusing him - the mf went NUTS w/ the surgery & that's all on him, but once you get to a certain level & away from "your people" it's easy to see how shit can get skewed. I can only imagine what kind of opinions about his looks flew his way as a teen in the 70's I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: PleasurePrinciple said: THANK YOU.All the women I know that are around MJ's age tell me long stories about how they were inlove with MJ and he was the most "finest" Jackson back in the day.Then they get this look of disappointment when they talk about his face now.If he was so "criticized" about his black feautres why was it so much of a big deal when dude kept changing them. Yea but he was so isolated by his teen years - he wasn't surrounded by/being lifted up by the young Black girls who thought he was the cutest thing in the world. He was surrounded by folks who looked nothing like him, old mf's who wore suits/had a lot of $/talked a lot of shit I bet, not all of it nice or complimentary. I'm not excusing him - the mf went NUTS w/ the surgery & that's all on him, but once you get to a certain level & away from "your people" it's easy to see how shit can get skewed. I can only imagine what kind of opinions about his looks flew his way as a teen in the 70's It wasnt like that. | |
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If it was anyone who made fun of Michael's features, it would've been the record execs and advisors around him, and his father. He told a friend that his dad would tell him that he was ugly and too black. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Imago said: Oh God Damn
Hideous. And I'm not just talking about the skin bleaching. I'm talking about the overall ensemble (nose, lips, chin, cheeks, God damned ugly ass hair, and outfit). well overall there is no excuse for what michael did to himself...except for his skin color which i believe he does have vitiligo, but as he said in his book "moonwalk" it's his face and he knows.I personally think he looks 100% better than he has in years, i don't see what's wrong with his outfit and i think his hair looks fine and i think he looks good.But anyways why do people care so much on how he looks? especially non fans to me it's pathetic because i don't waste my time talking about or hating on people i dislike. [Edited 8/25/07 21:13pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: Imago said: Oh God Damn
Hideous. And I'm not just talking about the skin bleaching. I'm talking about the overall ensemble (nose, lips, chin, cheeks, God damned ugly ass hair, and outfit). well overall there is no excuse for what michael did to himself...except for his skin color which i believe he does have vitiligo, but as he said in his book "moonwalk" it's his face and he knows.I personally think he looks 100% better than he has in years, i don't see what's wrong with his outfit and i think his hair looks fine and i think he looks good.But anyways why do people care so much on how he looks? especially non fans to me it's pathetic because i don't waste my time talking about or hating on people i dislike. [Edited 8/25/07 21:13pm] Absolutely. positively. hideous. The Jocylen Wildenstien of the music industry. Lawd, my eyes feel like they have Gahnarea . He was such a good looking young man too. | |
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bboy87 said: If it was anyone who made fun of Michael's features, it would've been the record execs and advisors around him, and his father. He told a friend that his dad would tell him that he was ugly and too black.
too black?the hell...and from what I heard Joe had issues with white people. | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: bboy87 said: If it was anyone who made fun of Michael's features, it would've been the record execs and advisors around him, and his father. He told a friend that his dad would tell him that he was ugly and too black.
too black?the hell...and from what I heard Joe had issues with white people. Joe has issues, period Those leaked phone convos are from 1991-92 btw
Imago, that description was.....hmmmmm....I'll just walk away from that one "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: PleasurePrinciple said: too black?the hell...and from what I heard Joe had issues with white people. Joe has issues, period Those leaked phone convos are from 1991-92 btw
Imago, that description was.....hmmmmm....I'll just walk away from that one okay,thats established but Joe def aint the entire Black race. | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: JonnyApplesauce said: No, youre saying I'm saying that. I'm saying he was ridiculed across the board cuz of the Blackest things about him, like every other Black person, and he tried to change it and it got worse across the board. The girls screaming at him are a whole other issue. And this is when?When did people(not his family) tease MJ about the "blackest" things about him?Im really curious cuz I have no fuckin clue about what the hell you are talking about. Clearly. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: PleasurePrinciple said: And this is when?When did people(not his family) tease MJ about the "blackest" things about him?Im really curious cuz I have no fuckin clue about what the hell you are talking about. Clearly. yea,cuz me and bullshit dont get along to well. and u STILL did NOT answer my question!when,where,who? [Edited 8/26/07 20:20pm] | |
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whatsgoingon said: Najee said: The problem is that the odds of a black American male producing THREE children who are Caucasian (namely, pale/alabaster skin, straight black hair and no semblance of father's pre-surgery features) are practically impossible. Furthermore, it's not like all three of Michael Jackson's "children" have the same mother so that makes the credibility even more shaky. For the record, I believe Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo in the mid-1980s (IMO, somewhere after the run of "Thriller" and before the release of "Bad"). However, vitiligo doesn't explain fully his skin tone. Vitiligo generally works in turning patches of the skin a pinkish-color; with MJ his skin more of a beige color and it's predominantly that color. BTW, for those who want to use Joseph Jackson as some sort of validation regarding how MJ's children look. In case you haven't seen a picture of him (which I find hard to believe, considering how prominent he has been over the past 30 years), here is what he looks like: 
I'm sorry, but I do not consider Joseph Jackson "a light-skinned man." I've seen plenty of pictures over the years, but I never recalled Joseph Jackson having noticable green eyes -- it generally looks like he has darker eyes. [Edited 8/19/07 13:42pm] Well if nothing else his father has got green eyes. Even journalists that have interviewed him have noted that. And compared to Wesley Snipes I think his father is quite light skinned, I've seen mixed-race people of about the same complexion. [Edited 8/19/07 14:46pm] THIS ENTIRE FAMILY IS A BUNCH OF WEIRDOS. EVERYBODY FROM JOSEPH AND KATHERINE AND THE REST HAVE HAD THEIR NOSES WHACKED ON. AMAZING HOW MUCH RESPECT PEOPLE THAT TRY TO PULL AWAY FROM THEIR NATURAL HERITAGE LOOK (AFRICAN AMERICAN FEATURES )GET SO MUCH RESPECT FROM THE BRAINWASHED OR WHITEWASHED PUBLIC. 
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PleasurePrinciple said: yea,cuz me and bullshit dont get along to well.
and u STILL did NOT answer my question!when,where,who? When Michael Jackson was younger (noticeably black) he was long considered a sex symbol among the "Right On!/Rock and Soul" magazine buyers. MJ couldn't go out in public because girls and young ladies yelled over him at hysterical levels -- likely to the point it scared him that hundreds of sisters wanted to tear his clothes off. It's when MJ started changing his features to start looking Caucasian that the sex symbol-type comments waned and his appearance started being regarded in negative terms. I don't know too many people who refer to MJ in the same manner as he was regarded in his teens and early to mid-20s (and especially no black women); he's generally looked at in parody or as a case of racial confusion in its most tragic sense. [Edited 8/26/07 22:40pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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