whatsgoingon said:

Well, I would let you know that not all MJ fans believes he's had only two nose jobs. You'd have to be EXTRA EXTRA hardcore to believe that. Anyone can tell, especially if you've seen a wide range of photos dating back to his young adulthood to now, that he's had at LEAST 5 or 6 reshaping of then nose.

floetcist said:

This thread is going to end up the same way the others do.



Sad.....

floetcist said:

WTF,dont call me stupid.Its funny how you try 2 enlighten someone with information with first calling them stupid.And you really believe that he doesnt wear lipstick?PLEASE!I understand in some cases their lips turn pink but he wears lipstick.
so this is not lipstick?!?!:



He probably wears it just to blend in the the color of his lips or whatever.I have no clue!But that is lipstick.Very well applied...lipstick.And his lips...so not the fuckin same dude!I always thought he did something to his lips since he can hardly smile now.I was watching a special on him and a trained plastic surgeon said hes had his lips thinned.She named some other things such as an eyebrow lift etc. You act like these things arent obvious.Everything is not "due 2 vilitigo".I know he has that and its sad but vilitigo doesnt do that 2 ur face!

I've always felt that MJ suffered from BDD(Body Dismorphic Disorder.) He has all the classic symptoms (teased by family members/other kids growing up, insecure about his appearance, low self esteem, obsession with plastic surgery, etc.) People with BDD often recognize that their 'obsessions' are unhealthy, but don't have the ability or resources (without full blown therapy) to help 'cure' their obsessions.

Personally, I've always felt bad for Michael Jackson. Not only because of the way he's been treated (because of all the plastic surgery he's had done), but also because, if he really does suffer from this mental illness, he has absolutely no control over it (unless he goes to therapy, which probably wouldn't be an option.) People need to shut the hell up about it.
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bboy87 said:

As it always does...

You can't dare have a MJ discussion without arguing, pictures posing and posters throwing blows at each other. People who can't deal with "ex-fans" saying stuff about Michael versus people who can't deal with the fans, lol...

It always disintegrates, that's the nature of the posting amongst Michael Jackson.

Look what you done did, MJ...

Timmy84 said:

"Awww shit, What did I do now?"

Offtopic:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...RUiKsd3UCs

This performance is AMAZING. Dangerous Tour 1992 Köln Billie Jean. One of the best there is imo.

fluid said:

i think i know why... because he didn't want to stare in the mirror at himself and be able to see his dad....
Michael looked a lot like his dad before the surgery.... so why would he want to look like the man.. that took away his childhood, beat him, and made him work all the time... the man who cheated on his mom...

why would you want to look like that person....

I understand how he feels.. because at some angles i look like my dad.. and his side of the family.. and I hate it.. because when i look in the mirror I get a reminder of the person... i don't want to remember... I wished i looked only like my mom...

it doesnt matter how many people tell me im cute or pretty... i still don't always like the way i look.. and its because i resemble my dad...

PleasurePrinciple said:

I'm so fucking tired of people snapping at me and accuse me of thinking that 'vitiligo does not affect [insert any sort of cosmetic surgery Michael Jackson has had]. DON'T put words in my mouth. I hate when people say that, because not once have I or people who stand correct on the issue ever say vitiligo has some correlation to his reshaping surgery. And yes, I hve also seen "dermatologists" who've come on television and say they don't think Michael Jackson has vitiligo.

But you're right, I shouldn't have called you stupid. I apologize for that.
[Edited 8/18/07 18:24pm]

dag said:

I am humored by the fact that although many people deem Michael Jackson the face and icon of black hatred, he has the title of the King of Africa (yes, he was crowned King). Thats just fucking funny.

Words cannot express how much fun posting those photos and videos to people who think Michael is the epitome of self hate. King of Africa motherfuckers! In special occasions, I pull out the Nelson Mandela pics

Its ironic how much he's done for black people (in both the music industry of the post-James Brown generation and charity humanitarian wise). If you ask me, these self absorbed mainstreamed rappers with their diamond necklaces are far more deserving of the title. They couldn't care less about Africa.

And Michael looks so cute in his little African gear. I'm surprised he didn't make that his personal wardrobe and incorporate it to his Captain Crunch outfits. The video is so cute, they tried to put the cap on him while he still had his fedora on And wow, Michael really makes so many people happy, the love is amazing. The crippled man who shook his hand, the reaction...I've never seen anything like that.

There but for the grace of God go I. Right time, and place, it coulda easily been my azz. Where I live far less than he did will get you ostracized. On the upswing though, hes shopping for a home here in Maryland on the Eastern Shore.
[Edited 8/18/07 19:50pm]

whatsgoingon said:

except the fact that he was BORN BLACK and will die black, his family is black and he's still considered african-american

no matter if michael's skin is white,pink, purple or blue he's still black

But Michael faints. He broke his leg and performed in a wheelchair at The '93 Soultrain Awards. He was supposed to do that special at The Beacon THeater in '96 but he got sick and it never aired on HBO.

But somebody said Michael has Lupus. How is it he has disorders and Prince doesn't?

fluid said:

No offense, but it would be nice if you stop asking these questionss to the org. I am not sure if you are new, but there are several topics that address these questions in the org archives. Moreover, none of us can answere DEFINITELY your questions, since none of us (I presume) are Michael Jackson. In fact, I would recommend that you read books written on the man. There are quite a few.

And as for "How is it he (MJ) has disorders and Prince doesn't?" I have no idea. If you believe in a higher being, ask him, her, or it.

Rodya24 said:

There is no excuse for calling someone a "fucking retard", a "moron" and a "wanker" merely because they raise some points which cast doubt on the story. It's pathetic and speaks volumes about the immaturity of MJ fans. I'm surprised no moderator has snipped those comments. I've seen people get warnings for far, far less.
[Edited 8/19/07 4:42am]

nose, lips, chin, cheekbones, eyes, facial hair removal, facial hair transplant (moustache) with his pubic hair, wig, bleaching to the point he got vitiligo.

theres not one celebrity that had at least 3 surgeries.

whats wrong with it?

he fucked it up but who cares

midnightmover said:

Co-sign. Some Orgers are PC and very thin-skinned. You disagree with them or goof on their favorite celebrity, and they act like you robbed their mama.
[Edited 8/19/07 6:56am]

electrorock said:

Well now I'll have to tease him for putting pubes on his face I didn't know that, I just hope I remember it when I run down my list of his faults



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[Edited 8/19/07 6:57am]

Michael changed the shape of his nose?? WTF!!!

Thanks for sharing this news. For a moment there I thought it was 1987.

midnightmover said:

could you say some MJ fans? Not all of us are crazy

bboy87 said:

Well I am crazy.. crazy about MJ He's just so sexy.

TotalAlisa said:

The theory of Michael not wanting to look like his dad isn't a proven fact. And there is no evidence that Michael said "it doesnt matter how many people tell me im cute or pretty... i still don't always like the way i look.. and its because i resemble my dad". Because this theory comes from J.Randy Torraborelli who wrote a biography on Michael called the Magic & The Madness. And parts of that book such as private word for word converstaions Michael's supposed to have had are impossible to believe.

Michael Jackson looked like his dad, but I'd say he was a combination of both of his parents but looked more like his mother. As in Michael has his mothers eye's and there was always a softness to Michael's face that his father never had. Also Michael father Joesph Jackson is quite light skinned (only LaToya took after her father in this respect), with green eyes. Tito and Marlon are the only Jackson brothers who really look like Joesph.

I personally think Michael Jackson's cosmetic surgery, has to do with two things. Fans and parents of Michael's Jackson 5 era fans who couldn't except him growing up and being a teenager with acne.

Michael has spoken and wrote about how dissapointed they were when they meet him as a teenager because he wasn't a little kid anymore. The Jackson 5's commercial success was very patchy from 1973-78 and I presume Michael put a lot of lack of chart success ie No.1 singles down to his appearence. And this wouldn't have been helped by the fact members of his own family were telling him he had a big nose etc. So it not really a surprise Michael Jackson developed a complex about his appearence.

I've seen close up Michael Jackson from 1985-2006, and I've seen a few people with vitiligo. And the whitness of Michael's skin is the same as someone with vitiligo as in the cells under the skin that give it pigmintation are dead. People who bleach there skin looked burnt and have an un-natural glow. Michael Jackson doesn't have that.

bboy87 said:

The problem is that the odds of a black American male producing THREE children who are Caucasian (namely, pale/alabaster skin, straight black hair and no semblance of father's pre-surgery features) are practically impossible. Furthermore, it's not like all three of Michael Jackson's "children" have the same mother so that makes the credibility even more shaky.

For the record, I believe Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo in the mid-1980s (IMO, somewhere after the run of "Thriller" and before the release of "Bad"). However, vitiligo doesn't explain fully his skin tone. Vitiligo generally works in turning patches of the skin a pinkish-color; with MJ his skin more of a beige color and it's predominantly that color.

BTW, for those who want to use Joseph Jackson as some sort of validation regarding how MJ's children look. In case you haven't seen a picture of him (which I find hard to believe, considering how prominent he has been over the past 30 years), here is what he looks like:



I'm sorry, but I do not consider Joseph Jackson "a light-skinned man." I've seen plenty of pictures over the years, but I never recalled Joseph Jackson having noticable green eyes -- it generally looks like he has darker eyes.
[Edited 8/19/07 13:42pm]

Edit Joe's eyes are blue-ish gray.



Nobody can't tell me this man don't look like Satan.

I agree. But he actually looked A LOT like Joseph when he was extremely young. When he was in/forming the J5, he looked nothing like him.










Okay, I'm just posting these for the sake of posting pics now..

I can see why he was self conscious about his acne. He had it bad.



But Michael was beautiful here. And I think even Michael knows himself that he fucked up.
[Edited 8/19/07 13:35pm]

Najee said:

Najee said:

Well if nothing else his father has got green eyes. Even journalists that have interviewed him have noted that. And compared to Wesley Snipes I think his father is quite light skinned, I've seen mixed-race people of about the same complexion.
[Edited 8/19/07 14:46pm]

whatsgoingon said:

The problem, then, is with the context is it being applied -- namely, Joseph Jackson as a validation for the appearance of Michael Jackson's "children."
[Edited 8/19/07 14:53pm]

Najee said:

Well, I too have my doubts about the first two children. I don't believe the first two are his either, regardless of what colour eyes Joseph has. However, I am not quite sure about the last child, there is a possibility he may be his but I doubt the mother is black.