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PrintablePleasurePrinciple said: mimi07 said: in this more recent pic his lips look fine  fine?that looks like lipstick or another surgery 2 me  Don't be stupid. Its not lipstick. Vitiligo patient's lips (and other similar body parts) turn pink, and look like albinos. And like I mentioned before, his lips are the same size JMHO. 
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Can you imagine how scary it would be to have vitiligo, especially as a public performer? It must have been terrifying, like wtf is happening to me?? If he had deliberately lightened his skin, why the fuck is it so blotchy and patchy, you'd think a dermatologist would be able to apply it evenly.
I really doubt he can move on because there doesn't look like there is anyone left in the world to trust, his family have tried to fuck him over, he appears to be in a constant state of siege regarding litigation. | |
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mynameisnotsusan said: Can you imagine how scary it would be to have vitiligo, especially as a public performer? It must have been terrifying, like wtf is happening to me?? If he had deliberately lightened his skin, why the fuck is it so blotchy and patchy, you'd think a dermatologist would be able to apply it evenly.
I really doubt he can move on because there doesn't look like there is anyone left in the world to trust, his family have tried to fuck him over, he appears to be in a constant state of siege regarding litigation. I can understand that, and I am not even saying that it is impossible for him to have vitiligo, I just personally doubt he has in it's natural form. He has done so many other things that have nothing to do with vitiligo to make himself look white, so for me vitiligo just sounds too convenient considering how he has basically altered every other feature on his face, there is nothing black about him anymore, nothing. | |
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whatsgoingon said: mynameisnotsusan said: Can you imagine how scary it would be to have vitiligo, especially as a public performer? It must have been terrifying, like wtf is happening to me?? If he had deliberately lightened his skin, why the fuck is it so blotchy and patchy, you'd think a dermatologist would be able to apply it evenly.
I really doubt he can move on because there doesn't look like there is anyone left in the world to trust, his family have tried to fuck him over, he appears to be in a constant state of siege regarding litigation. I can understand that, and I am not even saying that it is impossible for him to have vitiligo, I just personally doubt he has in it's natural form. He has done so many other things that have nothing to do with vitiligo to make himself look white, so for me vitiligo just sounds too convenient considering how he has basically altered every other feature on his face, there is nothing black about him anymore, nothing. So you believe that the dermatologist lied under oath about MJ having vitiligo?  Check out his criminal record both from 1993 and 2005.
If the above does not convince you, please ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I am assuming that you are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. | |
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: I can understand that, and I am not even saying that it is impossible for him to have vitiligo, I just personally doubt he has in it's natural form. He has done so many other things that have nothing to do with vitiligo to make himself look white, so for me vitiligo just sounds too convenient considering how he has basically altered every other feature on his face, there is nothing black about him anymore, nothing. So you believe that the dermatologist lied under oath about MJ having vitiligo? Check out his criminal record both from 1993 and 2005.
If the above does not convince you, please ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I am assuming that you are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. So you are telling me a dermatologist can't lie on behalf of his Rich and famous patient? This is not a case of me thinking it's impossible that he has vitiligo, I just find the vitiligo too damn convenient and the way he got is inconsistent and I am not the only one who thinks that. And another thing, since he himself says he can't stand it when people thinks he doesn't want to be who he is, Why oh why couldn't he have mentioned the vitiligo in his biography back in 87? That would have been more convincing and he would have had more control on how it came out, instead he said it on the Oprah show where he was cornered and he had to say something. There is something not right about the whole thing. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Rodya24 said: So you believe that the dermatologist lied under oath about MJ having vitiligo? Check out his criminal record both from 1993 and 2005.
If the above does not convince you, please ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I am assuming that you are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. So you are telling me a dermatologist can't lie on behalf of his Rich and famous patient? This is not a case of me thinking it's impossible that he has vitiligo, I just find the vitiligo too damn convenient and the way he got is inconsistent and I am not the only one who thinks that. And another thing, since he himself says he can't stand it when people thinks he doesn't want to be who he is, Why oh why couldn't he have mentioned the vitiligo in his biography back in 87? That would have been more convincing and he would have had more control on how it came out, instead he said it on the Oprah show where he was cornered and he had to say something. There is something not right about the whole thing. Wow. You do realize that it is a crime to lie under oath. That prosecutors are not that idiotic to not demand proof of MJ having vitiligo from his dermatologist. Another thing: I do not care that YOU are not the ONLY one who thinks vitiligo is too convenient for MJ to have. Ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. Again, I am assuming YOU are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. Considering that you post on almost all the threads on MJ, I assumed that you would be somewhat familiar with the 1993 and 2005 child molestation accusations. In 1993, the child accusor was asked to give a description of MJ and his genitals because the prosecution wanted to see if his description matched the spots on his genitals CAUSED BY VITILIGO. Some insisted that the description matched. Others scoffed at the description. The prosecution and defense never disagreed about MJ having vitiligo. Just you and others who refuse to realize that his skin-color change and plastic surgeries are two different matters. Of course, MJ has had numerous plastic surgeries. But the fact remains: he has vitiligo. Ask ANY dermatologist. Read the court transcripts. | |
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: So you are telling me a dermatologist can't lie on behalf of his Rich and famous patient? This is not a case of me thinking it's impossible that he has vitiligo, I just find the vitiligo too damn convenient and the way he got is inconsistent and I am not the only one who thinks that. And another thing, since he himself says he can't stand it when people thinks he doesn't want to be who he is, Why oh why couldn't he have mentioned the vitiligo in his biography back in 87? That would have been more convincing and he would have had more control on how it came out, instead he said it on the Oprah show where he was cornered and he had to say something. There is something not right about the whole thing. Wow. You do realize that it is a crime to lie under oath. That prosecutors are not that idiotic to not demand proof of MJ having vitiligo from his dermatologist. Another thing: I do not care that YOU are not the ONLY one who thinks vitiligo is too convenient for MJ to have. Ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. Again, I am assuming YOU are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. Considering that you post on almost all the threads on MJ, I assumed that you would be somewhat familiar with the 1993 and 2005 child molestation accusations. In 1993, the child accusor was asked to give a description of MJ and his genitals because the prosecution wanted to see if his description matched the spots on his genitals CAUSED BY VITILIGO. Some insisted that the description matched. Others scoffed at the description. The prosecution and defense never disagreed about MJ having vitiligo. Just you and others who refuse to realize that his skin-color change and plastic surgeries are two different matters. Of course, MJ has had numerous plastic surgeries. But the fact remains: he has vitiligo. Ask ANY dermatologist. Read the court transcripts. Why are you upset just because I have my doubts about his disease, I have good reasons to have doubts. Don't you think it's a big coincidence that this guy just from the tip of his head he has rid himself of his blackness in every other way and then he just happens to have vitiligo. The is a person who has done so much work on his nose it developed a hole! This is a person who marries a white woman-who was really a surrogate- so that he could have at two completely looking white kids. Your talking about a person whose thought processes are not logical, most logical people would not go to such extremes to change themselve but Michael goes far and beyond. And you keep on going on about Doctors. Doctors do illegal stuff all the time, look at the crimes Elvis's doctor did against him prescribing him drugs that he should have been prescribing him for years that finally killed him. How do you know Michael's Doctor is not giving him a depigmentizing process on a weekly basis when he shouldn't be? We don't know. Infact on a documentary about Michael's face one of the Doctor's who shared the same clinic with Michael's doctor has said that without makeup Michael skin looks "grey", which I find quite odd. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Rodya24 said: Wow. You do realize that it is a crime to lie under oath. That prosecutors are not that idiotic to not demand proof of MJ having vitiligo from his dermatologist. Another thing: I do not care that YOU are not the ONLY one who thinks vitiligo is too convenient for MJ to have. Ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. Again, I am assuming YOU are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. Considering that you post on almost all the threads on MJ, I assumed that you would be somewhat familiar with the 1993 and 2005 child molestation accusations. In 1993, the child accusor was asked to give a description of MJ and his genitals because the prosecution wanted to see if his description matched the spots on his genitals CAUSED BY VITILIGO. Some insisted that the description matched. Others scoffed at the description. The prosecution and defense never disagreed about MJ having vitiligo. Just you and others who refuse to realize that his skin-color change and plastic surgeries are two different matters. Of course, MJ has had numerous plastic surgeries. But the fact remains: he has vitiligo. Ask ANY dermatologist. Read the court transcripts. Why are you upset just because I have my doubts about his disease, I have good reasons to have doubts. Don't you think it's a big coincidence that this guy just from the tip of his head he has rid himself of his blackness in every other way and then he just happens to have vitiligo. The is a person who has done so much work on his nose it developed a hole! This is a person who marries a white woman-who was really a surrogate- so that he could have at two completely looking white kids. Your talking about a person whose thought processes are not logical, most logical people would not go to such extremes to change themselve but Michael goes far and beyond. And you keep on going on about Doctors. Doctors do illegal stuff all the time, look at the crimes Elvis's doctor did against him prescribing him drugs that he should have been prescribing him for years that finally killed him. How do you know Michael's Doctor is not giving him a depigmentizing process on a weekly basis when he shouldn't be? We don't know. Infact on a documentary about Michael's face one of the Doctor's who shared the same clinic with Michael's doctor has said that without makeup Michael skin looks "grey", which I find quite odd. So, you believe that both the prosecution and defense lied about MJ having vitiligo? WHY?
Again, ask ANY dermatologist in person about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I have no idea WHY a dermatologist would lie to YOU. | |
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: Why are you upset just because I have my doubts about his disease, I have good reasons to have doubts. Don't you think it's a big coincidence that this guy just from the tip of his head he has rid himself of his blackness in every other way and then he just happens to have vitiligo. The is a person who has done so much work on his nose it developed a hole! This is a person who marries a white woman-who was really a surrogate- so that he could have at two completely looking white kids. Your talking about a person whose thought processes are not logical, most logical people would not go to such extremes to change themselve but Michael goes far and beyond. And you keep on going on about Doctors. Doctors do illegal stuff all the time, look at the crimes Elvis's doctor did against him prescribing him drugs that he should have been prescribing him for years that finally killed him. How do you know Michael's Doctor is not giving him a depigmentizing process on a weekly basis when he shouldn't be? We don't know. Infact on a documentary about Michael's face one of the Doctor's who shared the same clinic with Michael's doctor has said that without makeup Michael skin looks "grey", which I find quite odd. So, you believe that both the prosecution and defense lied about MJ having vitiligo? WHY?
Again, ask ANY dermatologist in person about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I have no idea WHY a dermatologist would lie to YOU. Have you every thought he has vitiligo because it was self-induced? Have you every thought about without the makeup and weekly or monthly sessions with the doctor Michael over time can get darker? Have you ever wondered why Latoya back in the 90s looked almost as white as Michael but is now more or less back to her natural complexion? | |
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whatsgoingon said: Rodya24 said: So, you believe that both the prosecution and defense lied about MJ having vitiligo? WHY?
Again, ask ANY dermatologist in person about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I have no idea WHY a dermatologist would lie to YOU. Have you every thought he has vitiligo because it was self-induced? Have you every thought about without the makeup and weekly or monthly sessions with the doctor Michael over time can get darker? Have you ever wondered why Latoya back in the 90s looked almost as white as Michael but is now more or less back to her natural complexion? Again, ask ANY dermatologist about vitiligo, MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. It is useless attempting to persuade YOU (most others who have written in this thread seem to have no problem with the fact that he has vitiligo). You ignore: 1) court transcripts (both prosecution and defense agree that MJ has vitiligo); 2) dermatologists; 3) medical journals on vitiligo and the effects of bleaching if one does not vitiligo -- death if the treatment lasts more than several weeks. In answer to your questions, no, because I asked a dermatologist about MJ and vitiligo. Sometimes treatments work for some to regenerate lost pigmentation. Sometimes it does not. Either WAY, MJ has vitiligo. If you do not trust dermatologists or me, ask PleasurePrinciple for more information since like you, she believes that MJ wants to be white. But, unlike you, she believes that he has vitiligo (she has a relative who has vitiligo and has turned white in skin like MJ). EDIT: I cannot believe I am having this conversation with you since you strike me as a sensible person who cares a lot about his music from the '60s, '70s, and early '80s. I apologize if I have insulted you in our discussion. I had doubts as well about his skin-color until having a short conversation with a dermatologist and doing a little research. [Edited 8/18/07 4:07am] | |
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: Have you every thought he has vitiligo because it was self-induced? Have you every thought about without the makeup and weekly or monthly sessions with the doctor Michael over time can get darker? Have you ever wondered why Latoya back in the 90s looked almost as white as Michael but is now more or less back to her natural complexion? Again, ask ANY dermatologist about vitiligo, MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. It is useless attempting to persuade YOU (most others who have written in this thread seem to have no problem with the fact that he has vitiligo). You ignore: 1) court transcripts (both prosecution and defense agree that MJ has vitiligo); 2) dermatologists; 3) medical journals on vitiligo and the effects of bleaching if one does not vitiligo -- death if the treatment lasts more than several weeks. In answer to your questions, no, because I asked a dermatologist about MJ and vitiligo. Sometimes treatments work for some to regenerate lost pigmentation. Sometimes it does not. Either WAY, MJ has vitiligo. If you do not trust dermatologists or me, ask PleasurePrinciple for more information since like you, she believes that MJ wants to be white. But, unlike you, she believes that he has vitiligo (she has a relative who has vitiligo and has turned white in skin like MJ). EDIT: I cannot believe I am having this conversation with you since you strike me as a sensible person who cares a lot about his music from the '60s, '70s, and early '80s. I apologize if I have insulted you in our discussion. I had doubts as well about his skin-color until having a short conversation with a dermatologist and doing a little research. [Edited 8/18/07 4:07am] Lets just agree to disagree, I have my doubts and I will continue to have my doubts. I like you your not some hardcore fans that believe MJ has only 2 nose jobs and I understand where you are coming from, but I will continue to have my doubts about the skin disease. | |
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: I can understand that, and I am not even saying that it is impossible for him to have vitiligo, I just personally doubt he has in it's natural form. He has done so many other things that have nothing to do with vitiligo to make himself look white, so for me vitiligo just sounds too convenient considering how he has basically altered every other feature on his face, there is nothing black about him anymore, nothing. So you believe that the dermatologist lied under oath about MJ having vitiligo? Check out his criminal record both from 1993 and 2005.
If the above does not convince you, please ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I am assuming that you are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. Theres this one so-called dermatologist on YouTube that was telling me that Michael doesn't have it, and really had a pissy attitude. I'll just take it with a grain a salt, really. lol Other than that incident, I've never heard of any other one denying his vitiligo. whatsgoingon said: Rodya24 said: Wow. You do realize that it is a crime to lie under oath. That prosecutors are not that idiotic to not demand proof of MJ having vitiligo from his dermatologist. Another thing: I do not care that YOU are not the ONLY one who thinks vitiligo is too convenient for MJ to have. Ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. Again, I am assuming YOU are not a dermatologist judging from your comments. Considering that you post on almost all the threads on MJ, I assumed that you would be somewhat familiar with the 1993 and 2005 child molestation accusations. In 1993, the child accusor was asked to give a description of MJ and his genitals because the prosecution wanted to see if his description matched the spots on his genitals CAUSED BY VITILIGO. Some insisted that the description matched. Others scoffed at the description. The prosecution and defense never disagreed about MJ having vitiligo. Just you and others who refuse to realize that his skin-color change and plastic surgeries are two different matters. Of course, MJ has had numerous plastic surgeries. But the fact remains: he has vitiligo. Ask ANY dermatologist. Read the court transcripts. Why are you upset just because I have my doubts about his disease, I have good reasons to have doubts. Don't you think it's a big coincidence that this guy just from the tip of his head he has rid himself of his blackness in every other way and then he just happens to have vitiligo. The is a person who has done so much work on his nose it developed a hole! This is a person who marries a white woman-who was really a surrogate- so that he could have at two completely looking white kids. Your talking about a person whose thought processes are not logical, most logical people would not go to such extremes to change themselve but Michael goes far and beyond. And you keep on going on about Doctors. Doctors do illegal stuff all the time, look at the crimes Elvis's doctor did against him prescribing him drugs that he should have been prescribing him for years that finally killed him. How do you know Michael's Doctor is not giving him a depigmentizing process on a weekly basis when he shouldn't be? We don't know. Infact on a documentary about Michael's face one of the Doctor's who shared the same clinic with Michael's doctor has said that without makeup Michael skin looks "grey", which I find quite odd. What does the ethnicity of his wives have to do with the topic at hand here? There is no relevancy in it, and its just another cop-out to dispute his skin disorder. How many black celebrities married white women anyway? Besides, you're making it seem like he didn't go out with any black women. Not all of his girlfriends were in the public eye (attested by his security guard) and the only ones that were aren't well known to the general public (Stephanie Mills, Tatiana Thumbzten, LaMichael, etc). whatsgoingon said: mynameisnotsusan said: Can you imagine how scary it would be to have vitiligo, especially as a public performer? It must have been terrifying, like wtf is happening to me?? If he had deliberately lightened his skin, why the fuck is it so blotchy and patchy, you'd think a dermatologist would be able to apply it evenly.
I really doubt he can move on because there doesn't look like there is anyone left in the world to trust, his family have tried to fuck him over, he appears to be in a constant state of siege regarding litigation. I can understand that, and I am not even saying that it is impossible for him to have vitiligo, I just personally doubt he has in it's natural form. He has done so many other things that have nothing to do with vitiligo to make himself look white, so for me vitiligo just sounds too convenient considering how he has basically altered every other feature on his face, there is nothing black about him anymore, nothing. Define blackness for me please. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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whatsgoingon said: dirtyman2005 said: im not a hardcore fan im just stating facts obviously you are too slow to grasp simple facts morons Well you sound like a hardcore fan, their ones that call people "morons" and "retards" and go ballistic because people see Michael different from them. And btw MJ himself said he got vitiligo between Off The Wall and Thriller, that would be between 1979 and 1982, not 84. And if what your saying is true, that means that triumph picture of with him in a red shirt is probably a creation of an over-zealous fan wanting to prove Michael has vitiligo considering the picture is of Michael pre-1984 and more like 1980. So I suggest you and the other hardcore fans get your facts and dates right before you start spewing rubbish to others, [Edited 8/17/07 14:02pm] wtf are you on, crack? im not a hardcore fan, just a music fan, who thinks you are talking too much shit. im one of the biggest critics of MJ,Invincible was a pile of crap, and he is one fucked up guy. But to try and deny that he has vitiligo is clutching at straws. If you can't accept it, you probably need help. | |
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This thread needs to be cleaned up. The MJ fans seem to be having nervous breakdowns before our very eyes.  Take a chill pill. You only confirm your image as a bunch of irrational fruitcakes when you start getting abusive.[Edited 8/18/07 7:50am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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floetcist said: whatsgoingon said: Your the retard for not looking at the broader picture. Okay lets say he wore body makeup, what about during his concerts where he sweated profusely you going to tell me it never came off. What about pics of him back in the mid 80s when he was actually in his pool with just his swimming trucks? You going to tell me the makeup never came off? I only believe in coincidences to a certain extent and with Michael there are just mtoo many to believe everything he says. Concert: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_s0e2YPTHIU Swimming pool: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mD2CXiSaGF8 (2:50) yeah the concert video above, his right arm you can clearly see how white it is, and his hand still coloured. he obviously didn't wear as much t shirts etc in public as he used to do early on. there are plenty of concert pics too where you can see his blotches or parts where you can tell he has put makeup on. anyone who thinks he does not have vitiligo after seeing all those pics , is probably a wanker who thinks they are a smart ass. wrong, you are bunch of dumb fucks! | |
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whatsgoingon obviously doesnt understand basic medical facts and symptoms
i guess you live in your own world, lol i mean, you have clear cut pictures in front of you showing jackson with blotches all over different parts of his body, arms, legs, chest, face, etc and you still don't accept. sounds like your mind is more fucked than MJ's, lol. i've heard of morons before, but you really take the piss! i think even a blind person could make a more rational judgement than Whatsgoingon | |
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midnightmover said: This thread needs to be cleaned up. The MJ fans seem to be having nervous breakdowns before our very eyes.
Take a chill pill. You only confirm your image as a bunch of irrational fruitcakes when you start getting abusive.
[Edited 8/18/07 7:50am] But I think it is difficult to be calm when one is disputing the obvious fact that MJ has vitiligo. People need to disassociate his skin disorder from his numerous plastic surgeries. You know that I am realistic (somewhat) about MJ and his current state of career. So is dirtyman2005 from reading his posts. All of us agree that MJ has been under the knife a number of times. But it boggles the mind that even with all the evidence, there remains those who cannot believe that MJ has vitiligo. | |
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midnightmover said: This thread needs to be cleaned up. The MJ fans seem to be having nervous breakdowns before our very eyes.
Take a chill pill. You only confirm your image as a bunch of irrational fruitcakes when you start getting abusive.
[Edited 8/18/07 7:50am] I'd call them "fanatics" - fans are more reasonable. Fanatics are like that woman who released the doves once the verdict was announced. | |
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Malcolm X summed up Michael very well here, even though he probably didn't know him or what he would become in future. [Edited 8/18/07 10:22am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ&mode=related&search=
Malcolm X summed up Michael very well here, even though he probably didn't know him or what he would become in future. [Edited 8/18/07 10:22am] Malcolm X = THE TRUTH. My hero. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Rodya24 said: So, you believe that both the prosecution and defense lied about MJ having vitiligo? WHY?
Again, ask ANY dermatologist in person about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. I have no idea WHY a dermatologist would lie to YOU. Have you every thought he has vitiligo because it was self-induced? Have you every thought about without the makeup and weekly or monthly sessions with the doctor Michael over time can get darker? Have you ever wondered why Latoya back in the 90s looked almost as white as Michael but is now more or less back to her natural complexion? Now I did question that. When I saw Toya with a very light complexion, I was like "do she have vitiligo too?" I mean she's always been light-skinned but that was a weird period for her especially considering she looked really bizarre with blonde hair too nonetheless. I think her hair's light brown these days but still...  | |
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This is what I posted in "Michael Jackson Recolored" and feel that it is appropriate for this thread as well:
As a non-US citizen, I am shocked BY THE HATRED and BITTERNESS that MJ causes amongst his American ex-fans who still "care" enough to post on almost on all the threads related to MJ. I wonder if there would be such extreme emotions among some of his ex-fans if he did not have vitiligo. Yes, he has also had numerous plastic surgeries which are SEPARATE from his skin disorder. But, in the end, he is a human being with feelings and emotions just like the rest of us. Most of us have never met him. Most of us have no idea the real reasons WHY he has been under the knife SO MANY times. Some of you have theories about MJ "abandoning his heritage," and state it as if it is a fact. Well, the truth is, none of us know the real reason. If you believe in a God, well, then ONLY MJ and God know. Music should bring people together. And his music from the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, and even '00s has brought a lot of happiness to a number of people around the world, regardless of RACE, CULTURE, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, and NATIONALITY. I wish more people would realize that. | |
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MICHAEL JACKSON
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whatsgoingon said: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ&mode=related&search=
Malcolm X summed up Michael very well here, even though he probably didn't know him or what he would become in future. [Edited 8/18/07 10:22am] What the hell this video has to do with what we are talking here ? Seriously now, with all the evidence that has been showed to you and still don't believe, it’s really bewildering. If you don't believe that the man has the disease then i suggest you leave the thread and not turn back because with each post you post here your theories and claims about how Mj bleached his skin get more ridiculous and laughable...it’s embarrassing really. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: whatsgoingon said: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ&mode=related&search=
Malcolm X summed up Michael very well here, even though he probably didn't know him or what he would become in future. [Edited 8/18/07 10:22am] What the hell this video has to do with what we are talking here ? Seriously now, with all the evidence that has been showed to you and still don't believe, it’s really bewildering. If you don't believe that the man has the disease then i suggest you leave the thread and not turn back because with each post you post here your theories and claims about how Mj bleached his skin get more ridiculous and laughable...it’s embarrassing really. The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: seeingvoices12 said: What the hell this video has to do with what we are talking here ? Seriously now, with all the evidence that has been showed to you and still don't believe, it’s really bewildering. If you don't believe that the man has the disease then i suggest you leave the thread and not turn back because with each post you post here your theories and claims about how Mj bleached his skin get more ridiculous and laughable...it’s embarrassing really. The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] Please stop labeling people who believe MJ has vitiligo as "fanatics" who cannot see beyond their "own fandom." I had hoped that from having discussions with me that you would realize there are those who are able to see MJ as he is without the blinders of fanaticism. Of course, there are people in the world who do not believe that Michael has vitiligo. Just like there are people who do not believe there were comfort women during World War II and choose to ignore the tell-tale evidence; just like those people who refuse to talk to a dermatologist and do researching of their own about the effects of bleaching (death) and how victims of vitiligo treat the disease as dirtyman2005 described to you a couple of pages ago in this godforsaken thread. [Edited 8/18/07 11:33am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: seeingvoices12 said: What the hell this video has to do with what we are talking here ? Seriously now, with all the evidence that has been showed to you and still don't believe, it’s really bewildering. If you don't believe that the man has the disease then i suggest you leave the thread and not turn back because with each post you post here your theories and claims about how Mj bleached his skin get more ridiculous and laughable...it’s embarrassing really. The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] Oh please
Those who don't believe it aftering seeing those pictures are ignorants, sorry but they are really ignorants , if you that expert on skin diseases then you tell me what the operation that could turn your skin from black to white? there is not, its impossible, no cream ,products ,operations in the world would turn you skin like this...like mj's case... and haven't you seen the pictures ? don't tell mj is faking it on the pictures , its obvious for you and anyone to see, the man has the disease and its Difficult to deal with it epsecially when you are megastar like MJ. [Edited 8/18/07 11:32am] MICHAEL JACKSON
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Rodya24¤ that was very nicely well put.
whatsgoingon said: seeingvoices12 said: What the hell this video has to do with what we are talking here ? Seriously now, with all the evidence that has been showed to you and still don't believe, it’s really bewildering. If you don't believe that the man has the disease then i suggest you leave the thread and not turn back because with each post you post here your theories and claims about how Mj bleached his skin get more ridiculous and laughable...it’s embarrassing really. The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] Yes I have stumbled upon a few who have vitiligo and don't think Michael has it myself. However, most if not all of these people do not know or have seen all the information and photos that were discussed in this thread here, for example. White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes | |
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seeingvoices12 said: whatsgoingon said: The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] Oh please
Those who don't believe it aftering seeing those pictures are ignorants, sorry but they are really ignorants , if you that expert on skin diseases then you tell me what the operation that could turn your skin from black to white? there is not, its impossible, no cream ,products ,operations in the world would turn you skin like this...like mj's case... and haven't you seen the pictures ? don't tell mj is faking it on the pictures , its obvious for you and anyone to see, the man has the disease and its Difficult to deal with it epsecially when you are megastar like MJ. [Edited 8/18/07 11:32am] That and his lip color. I have yet to have someone tell me how THAT happened. I'm sure they would have me know that he "bleached his lips" too 
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Rodya24 said: whatsgoingon said: The fact that you can't even see what Malcolm X is saying relates very much to the Michael Jackson of the last 20 or so just proves your another fanatic who can't see beyond your own fandom. And btw there are people that actually HAVE vitiligo that don't believe Michael has it, so don't think I am the only person in the world that doesn't believe the skin disease. I would say practically half of the people on this forum probably don't believe it, so let's all agree to disagree. [Edited 8/18/07 11:11am] Please stop labeling people who believe MJ has vitiligo as "fanatics" who cannot see beyond their "own fandom." I had hoped that from having discussions with me that you would realize there are those who are able to see MJ as he is without the blinders of fanaticism. Of course, there are people in the world who do not believe that Michael has vitiligo. Just like there are people who do not believe there were comfort women during World War II and choose to ignore the tell-tale evidence; just like those people who refuse to talk to a dermatologist and do researching of their own about the effects of bleaching (death) and how victims of vitiligo treat the disease as dirtyman2005 described to you a couple of pages ago in this godforsaken thread. [Edited 8/18/07 11:33am] Most people who listened to that speech would think of Michael Jackson, the fact that Seeingvoices can't see the relevance shows the fanaticism of most Michael Jackson fans, they can't understand anything beyond their own fandom. The mere fact that they have to get abusive and so wind up because we don't see eye to eye with them when it comes to Michael tells it's own story. Would Dirtyman and the other hardcore fans call me a "moron" if I said I believe Michael has only had 2 nose jobs? I doubt it very much. | |
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