whatsgoingon said:

im not a hardcore fan
im just stating facts
obviously you are too slow to grasp simple facts

morons

dirtyman2005 said:

the triump era pic is probably not real or simply bright lighting.

you are grasping at straws.

the facts are,
he got vitiligo after 1984.
and the signs were present in 85 onwards.
the pics speak for themsevles.

dirtyman2005 said:

Well you sound like a hardcore fan, their ones that call people "morons" and "retards" and go ballistic because people see Michael different from them.

And btw MJ himself said he got vitiligo between Off The Wall and Thriller, that would be between 1979 and 1982, not 84. And if what your saying is true, that means that triumph picture of with him in a red shirt is probably a creation of an over-zealous fan wanting to prove Michael has vitiligo considering the picture is of Michael pre-1984 and more like 1980. So I suggest you and the other hardcore fans get your facts and dates right before you start spewing rubbish to others,
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whatsgoingon said:

shut up geez judging people's fan status by their insults

tyrone25 said:

whatsgoingon said:

Concert: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_s0e2YPTHIU

Swimming pool: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mD2CXiSaGF8 (2:50)

whatsgoingon said:

From my understanding, Michael said on Oprah Winfrey (1993) that it was 'sometime after thriller'. As for the Triumph tour pic, I doubt it was manipulated. You can find it on image ordering websites (GettyImages, WireImage, etc) and I somehow doubt hey'd randomly edit the pictures.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X7F3calBvRY (See Oprah clip)

jn2 said:

Wait, what leaked You Are Not Alone pics? I don't remember even hearing anything about that. As far as pubic hair goes, he didn't have a problem keeping it here





And wheres that pica of MJ jumping in the air with his cardigan sweater? Love that one...

As for Blanket, I think we should stop speculating because theres really no use. Although Prince II is very light, he looks like Michael in the face. So what can we say? The only logical reasoning is that the black woman that is his baby mother has a skin complexion like LisaRaye, Raven Symone, Charli Baltimore, Faith Evans, so on and so forth.

floetcist said:

Ok, if you believe he said the disease started was after Thriller, even though he didn't exactly say that, why are you posting dubious pictures of the Triumph era which was before Thriller. The mere fact that t everyone's contradicting even what he himself said and posting dubious pictures to try and prove he has vitiligo, in itself just proves how dubious the vitiligo story is. In the clip he said around OTW/ Thriller.
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The brother got vitiligo, man...

I'm shocked only one of the people here actually is denying it... just to show shirtless MJ photos, you pervert.

I'm just joking with you but still, there's enough evidence to suggest Broham has a skin disease.

If he lied about his surgery, he (or his dermatologist) didn't lie about this.

I have no idea who said it but MJ has done way more than just getting his nose done.He cant even smile properly anymore.He has no damn lips.People are comparing older pics to just plain old pics.Look at pics from like this year and pics from the 80's.Hes done more shit than just 2 his nose alone!And I cant believe how some people think that he made himself have vitiligo purposely so hed have an exscuse 2 turn white... thats pushin it 2 far!
Anyway,Michael has definitely did some shit 2 his lips.He never had soup coolers but he definitely had lips b4!
B4:lips

AFTER:no damn lips

I find it really ridiculous and preposterous that some people still denying that man has the disease after all the pictures that have been posted....Wake up people....NO operation in the world could turn your skin completey from black to white or vice versa...Its simply impossible.

Look at this picture....its the ultimate proof.



and Im asking.....why some of you are sooooo convinced that he bleached his skin when you don't have evidences and proofs to back it up?

Insisting that he bleached his skin( which is impossible of course) proves how in denial you are.

All I can say is that boy's chest has always, ALWAYS been a crime! Does he know what a weight IS?? Or a steak? Lift some groceries man, anything



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dirtyman2005 said:

& R. Kelly is the greatest, yea we know

Look @ the girl on the left You think she pee'd herself? I say she's mid stream in this pic

^^^^^



I like MJ's belt in that pic, I really want that belt!

cant we just get onto the reall question,

whos better Prince or Michael Jackson??






btw please dont answer

seeingvoices12 said:

Of course they don't have any proof to back it up. Some people are in denial about the fact that MJ has vitiligo because it doesn't fit in with their idea that Michael Jackson is a self-hating black man who bleached his skin because he wants to be white.

I just really love how people act like MJ decided to sit in a tub filled with clorox or some ish and bam! His skin automatically turned porcelain white. I mean it is IMPOSSIBLE to change your skin tone that drastically anyway. There is no skin cream bleach on the face of this earth that can change your skin tone that drastically but the vitiligo has affected MJ in other ways too. It actually turned his hair white which is something that most people don't know. His hair has been white since he was in his early 30's but he's been dying it for years and that's just one of the effects of having vitiligo that is seldomly talked about.

I'm sure having this disease has been a very hard thing for MJ to have to go through and for people to constantly mock him like that is not right IMO, but I forgot that since most people consider him a "freak" then I suppose it's okay to make fun of him, right? Constant jokes about children, his appearence, etc. is all fun and games for some people. I find his whole situation to be sad really and whether he is to blame or not for most of it is not the point. I just don't find anything funny about what has happened with MJ whatsoever.

whatsgoingon said:

Look how CUTE he still was here (if you can ignore the sunken chest), fucking idiot

PleasurePrinciple said:

in this more recent pic his lips look fine

mimi07 said:

fine?that looks like lipstick or another surgery 2 me

whatsgoingon said:

None of your arguments are valid What's Going On. You always accuse others of not living in reality or of being an over-zealous fan anytime they defend Michael when the truth of the matter is that you are an ex-hardcore Michael Jackson fan yourself who just can't get over what has happened with Michael and it's sad really to see you constantly spewing your hate and anger for a man who doesn't even know you exist but anyway....

Back to the topic at hand, it is clear to me that you don't know anything about vitiligo or skin bleaching. You really need to do some research on both of these things before YOU start "spewing rubbish".

#1)Bleaching cream will NOT make your skin any more white than sun tan cream will make a white person black. It just doesn't exist! There is no cream that will give you make your skin look like Michael's.

#2)If you don't actually have vitiligo and attempt to "bleach" or dipigment your skin, it will just regenerate every time because your skin cells are still producing pigmentation so this argument about MJ "bleaching" his skin just doesn't hold up. Color of the skin CANNOT be lightened permanantely because as I said before melanin-generating cells will always be recovered by an organism so it's impossible to kill melanin-generating cells therefore making it impossible that MJ does not in fact have vitiligo or some type of skin disorder.

From working with kids, I can say from experience, not all biracial kids look the same. Just because a kid has a black father and white mother doesn't mean they're gonna be caramel skinned, curly hair and brown eyes. I've seen kids where they had BLONDE said hair, somewhat tanned skin and when their parents walk up, I'm thinking "OK, so where's yo REAL momma?"

PleasurePrinciple said:

no, , it's just the pic u used..he's sealing his lips


but n e ways, i don't wanna argue about this

mimi07 said:

Theres no argument.Dude thinned his lips.Get over it.And guess what...that aint his chin either.

PleasurePrinciple said:

oh its his alright, he paid for it!

Yes Michael had Vitiligo around Thriller. I don't know if he was wearing makeup back then. His skin has gotten lighter since Thriller. Lighter for Bad, and Pale White during Dangerous. I just wna tto know was he wearing makeup during THriller. His skin looks really high quality. Good tone,almost unnatural.

ANd a good question, if Michael has Vitiligo why does he call it Vitilago?

Rodya24 said:

I think that's his biggest concern. He remember how his father treated him and the other siblings and he's worrying his kids are going to grow up and resent him:
here's what he said a couple of years ago at Oxford
Then there are the far worse cases of children who harbour animosity and resentment toward their parents, so that any overture that their parents might undertake would be thrown forcefully back in their face.

Tonight, I don't want any of us to make this mistake. That's why I'm calling upon all the world's children - beginning with all of us here tonight - to forgive our parents, if we felt neglected. Forgive them and teach them how to love again.

You probably weren't surprised to hear that I did not have an idyllic childhood. The strain and tension that exists in my relationship with my own father is well documented. My father is a tough man and he pushed my brothers and me hard, from the earliest age, to be the best performers we could be.

He had great difficulty showing affection. He never really told me he loved me. And he never really complimented me either. If I did a great show, he would tell me it was a good show. And if I did an OK show, he told me it was a lousy show.

He seemed intent, above all else, on making us a commercial success. And at that he was more than adept. My father was a managerial genius and my brothers and I owe our professional success, in no small measure, to the forceful way that he pushed us. He trained me as a showman and under his guidance I couldn't miss a step.

But what I really wanted was a Dad. I wanted a father who showed me love. And my father never did that. He never said I love you while looking me straight in the eye, he never played a game with me. He never gave me a piggyback ride, he never threw a pillow at me, or a water balloon.

But I remember once when I was about four years old, there was a little carnival and he picked me up and put me on a pony. It was a tiny gesture, probably something he forgot five minutes later. But because of that moment I have this special place in my heart for him. Because that's how kids are, the little things mean so much to them and for me, that one moment meant everything. I only experienced it that one time, but it made me feel really good, about him and the world.

But now I am a father myself, and one day I was thinking about my own children, Prince and Paris and how I wanted them to think of me when they grow up. To be sure, I would like them to remember how I always wanted them with me wherever I went, how I always tried to put them before everything else. But there are also challenges in their lives. Because my kids are stalked by paparazzi, they can't always go to a park or a movie with me.

So what if they grow older and resent me, and how my choices impacted their youth? Why weren't we given an average childhood like all the other kids, they might ask? And at that moment I pray that my children will give me the benefit of the doubt. That they will say to themselves: "Our daddy did the best he could, given the unique circumstances that he faced. He may not have been perfect, but he was a warm and decent man, who tried to give us all the love in the world."

whatsgoingon said:

I posted it because YOU requested for more pics from the Triumph tour. Hello, check your our posts girlfriend lol

Cinnamon234 said:

Thank you. And I know what you mean about the cases of vitiligo patients where their hair turns white.