Rodya24 said:

WOW,youve actually seen his youngest child but seriously Ive seen unauthorized pics of the oldest children and uhhh...NO Mike.I know people who are biracial can look totally one race at times.But the most extreme case Ive seen is like Jennifer Beal.And 2 be honest she still looks ethnic 2 me.Those kids look WHITE!To be honest I really hope the youngest one is Michael's biological kid.Im so sick of him lying about everything.I really dont believe that the child's mother is Black tho.When he said that in the interview he sounded like he had just said "can u pass the salt".IDK it was like he thought it up and it slipped out his behind.But its sad really.Maybe he is a great father but the last I heard they were going around telling people they had "no mommy".He needs 2 correct that situation.This is the weirdest thing but sometimes I wish I could just be in his life 4 a couple months 2 slap some sense and reality into him.And I guess I partly want to do that cuz I am a fan,like you said.His music was great and I love the family.I dont want 2 see him go down like that but if hes sending himself its only so much you could do as...a friggin fan

PleasurePrinciple said:

It is almost eerie how similr "Blanket" looks like MJ when he was younger. Check out the latest pictures of him walking around the mall (I think it is a mall) and older ones of him in Japan with his father. It is like seeing Michael over four decades ago with longer hair and lighter skin. As for the two eldest children, I have no idea if either of them is his biological child. Not to get too personal, but I am neither African-American nor white. I come from a country where there are a number of bi-racial children due to the American military presence. There are cases where the child looks bi-racial, and other cases where the child looks white or black without Asian features, and vice-versa.

As for MJ being a good father or not, I believe he is. Even those who have accused or painted him as a pedophile (i.e. Martin Bashir) have admitted that he is a good father to his children.

And I know what you mean about wanting to "slap some sense...into him," in particular with regards to his public image "issues." He needs to be much more honest and open with his fans. While none of us are entitled to know the details of his private life, it would be nice if he stepped outside of the comfort zone and talked to his fans, not just through his publicist. Let us know that you are a human being, someone who is aware of what is going on around the world. But again, it is his life.

And with this being said, I FINALLY leave this thread.
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I believe Michael Jackson suffers from body dismorphic disorder which combined with talent, a sheltered childhood and a warped ego has ultimately destroyed him.

His unusual association with children, his strange idea that he was an ageless Peter Pan figure has caused him a great deal of trouble. He is incapable of moving forward which is why he did not learn after 1993 and found himself in the same situation with another young latin boy from a broken family 10 years later.

His image is that of someone suffering BDD, he wears "ladies" wigs to cover his face and receding hairline, he cakes himself in transvestite stage make-up to hide his self-inflicted imperfections he caused on his quest to be an ageless 12 year old boy, you only have to see the leaked, disturbing screen shots from the You Are Not Alone video to see he has removed any trace of pubic hair. I believe MJ is trapped in a world of mental illness to the point where he is dishonest with fans, make promises he can't keep (Katrina single, fan club etc) and even lies about the fact his children are not his own biologically. I mean, he said Blanket was with an African American woman, how to two African Americans have a pure caucasian child?

I hope one day he gets the help he needs instead of allowing himself to be such a insane media clown. Leave that to Britney.

whatsgoingon said:

Co-sign on both posts. And I don't get these non-black MJ fanatics who feel he looks better white than he did when he was a handsome brotha. That sh!t pisses me off.

I never believed him when he said he had his nose altered so he can "hit the high notes" that's ridiculous.Nobody chops off their nose in order to hit high notes!

PleasurePrinciple said:

That is true it is difficult to bleach yourself completely white ,and that's why at times I believe there is a small possibility that he may have vitiligo, However, Michael got lighter too evenly and gradually, which is more of a bleaching effect. There is no real evidence of the white patches on his skin during the initial stages of the disease, which would have been around 1980/81. Him having white patches on his skin during the early 80s would have been hard to miss considering his dark skin at the time. And then there have been numerous sights of him in states of undress around that era and all you see is even brown skin. All you need to do is go onto Youtube and watch the likes of the Triumph/Victory tours, the making of The Thriller video and several adverts he did around that era where he was in states of undress and all you saw was evenly brown skin.

My theory is that he depigmentized himself in the same way as someone who really did have vitiligo would do, in away self-inducing vitiligo I mean him just having vitiligo at the same time as he decides to virtually re-arrange everything else about himself that makes him look black is just too convenient.

bboy87 said:

I read about that. Do you have the link I can download that at? I know its at KOP, but its taking awhile for folks to reupload them shits.

whatsgoingon said:

We don't know what the details of Michael and Debbie Rowe's children, so I don't think its fair to make judgment. Also, Rowe is his nurse and they've known each other for almost two decades. She's not some woman he 'hired'. I do agree about Blanket, he looks just like Michael when he was that age. And I'd say he's had about 6 nose jobs, not 2. When he first said he had 2, it was in the autobiography Moonwalk in 1988. That wasn't too hard to believe. But when he maintains just 2 in 2003 (Martin Bashir doc) its hardly believable. But I do not believe he thinned his lips. If you notice, Michael never had full lips to begin with. None of the Jacksons did, for that matter.

whatsgoingon said:

Michael having cosmetic surgery on his nose since circa Off the Wall. He was diagnosed with vitiligo (and lupus in 1984). He was never evenly brown skin. Thats why you always see him covered from head to toe. He used make-up to even out his complexion, thats why his complexion appears uniform. Its hard to find a good high quality image of his patchy blotches. Vitiligo is a gradual process. If a person who does not have vitiligo somehow 'bleached' themselves white (the medication monobenzylether of hydroquinone is used to do this and is very strong, it is only prescribed to vitiligo patients) die of toxin poisoning.

Here is a clear shot of his arm with vitiligo skin
http://www.youtube.com/wa...e2YPTHIU
















(Ignore the spider bite)














Example of another vitiligo patient's lips


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floetcist said:

ERRR.... HOW DOSE BEING SCARRED OF HITES MAKE U GO WITE? HAHA YEAH,,, NICE TRY!!!!

Um...what?

Wait, nevermind. You can't even spell, and you're quoting my post yet commenting on something that I never said. (What is scarred of hites?)

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whatsgoingon said:

walks back into the thread in disbelief that some cannot believe that MJ has vitiligo

I agree with a number of your posts, but this one, I disagree with one hundred percent. Ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades. Please look at his criminal record and court transcripts. A dermatologist testified under oath that MJ has vitiligo. And BTW, I am not one of those idiots who blames his skin-color disorder for his numerous plastic surgeries. The changes to his chin, nose, eyes, cheekbones, hair, etc. are not related to vitiligo, which MJ has.

It is a scientific proof that one cannot bleach oneself for more than several weeks without going six feet under. I cannot fathom that there remains those who still believe that it is possible to bleach the skin without DYING. Our bodies cannot handle the toxin levels.

In the face of the cold, scientific evidence (i.e. court documents, medical journals, the word of dermatologists), it saddens me that there remains those who do not believe that MJ has vitiligo. Even Najee, who shares your opinions about MJ having problems with his heritage, believes that MJ has vitiligo.
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Some of those pics are too big and .

I think MJ has a number of mental and physical issues. I don’t know if anyone can say what they are but I think that body dysmorphia one is pretty on point. Other than that, at 50 years old, if he hasn’t gotten it together by now, he most likely never will.

And I’m one who believes he has vitiligo but that is just a fraction of all the other drama MJ has going on.
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JackieBlue said:

I agree that MJ has a number of "issues." But it bothers me that there are some who cannot face the truth that this man has vitiligo. That to me is just as wacko as some of his actions in the past.

floetcist said:

ERRR.. BEING UP HI DOSE NOT MAKE YOU,R SKIN GO WITE NO MATTER HOW SCARRED U ARE OFF BEING UP IN THE AIR. HE DOESN,T LOOK SCARRED ON THE PIC ABOVE WIF THE ORINGE SHURT ON!! MJ IS A LYER 2 THE FANS AND PRINCE DOWNT LIE!!!!!

lol Yes those pics are big, but they're high quality and large so its easier to see/tell as opposed to poor quality images that you can't really see anything.

Learn to cope with it

Butchersdog said:

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Speak English, correct your spelling and grammar, or get the fuck out of my posts. Clearly reading comprehension is just not your thing.

novabrkr said:

This is what I've been trying 2 tell people 4 the longest...

The pictures illustrated are mainly of him when he was already practically white, with few brown patches on him. There are hardly any pictures of him with his naturally brown skin with white patches. I don't buy the picture with him in the red shirt during the triumph tour simply because similiar pictures of the same concert show there is nothing on his neck, and I know people who attended the triumph/victory tours who have seen him up close during the early 80s and they would have notice white patches on his skin!

It's a well known fact that if you go to the extreme and bleach your skin, even with just local creams, you get in some of these so-called beauty shops, in the long run your skin will become discoloured, and therefore I think that's what you are seeing with Michael now, and that's why the discolouration on his skin is much more obvious now that his skin is white. The brown patches could the consquences and discolouration of the depigmentization process. The fact the discolouration is now much more obvious now that his primaryly white doesn't make sense, because with vitiligo it is usually the other way round.
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whatsgoingon said:

So... You are going to ignore the statement of the dermatologist who testified under oath that MJ has vitiligo. And the fact that a person without vitiligo who bleaches his skin for more than several weeks will die of toxin poisoning. Interesting.... Again, ask ANY dermatologist about MJ and his skin-color change over the past two decades, instead of basing your argument on a "well known fact." I am done attempting to persuade people who will not look at cold, scientific evidence.

Rodya24 said:

I can understand where you are coming from and that's why I myself am not 100% sure that he does not have vitiligo, I mean I can be so wrong, but the problem is things do not add up with Michael. He went from a mocha kind of colour to a caramel to a beige colour which is illustrated during the Bad era, before going on to become snow white and each shade he became was more or less very even. And what we do know about vitiligo is that it is not an evenly distributed disease. One part of your face will have a white patch whilst another part would remain brown, that's how it works, all over the body. One of the part of the bodies where vitiligo strike first are the hands and it's one of the most obvious areas. Take a look at Michael hands during the Thriller period infact you will see in may pictures his hands at one time were always quite alot darker than his face, another sign of some bleaching.

I personally have never been sold on the vitiligo disease, now if you are talking about Lupus, that's a different story. And the two disease are not always connected. I mean Seal has Lupus of the skin and that's how it usually looks like in many people that has the disease, it doesn't necessarily always cause vitiligo.

whatsgoingon said:

So, you believe that the dermatologist lied under oath about MJ having vitiligo?

I can understand why as a fan who has watched MJ grow up as a mini-superstar at Motown to the person that he is now -- an androgynous-looking pale middle-aged man -- it is difficult to fathom how a person could have changed so much over the past four decades. Believe me, I also find it difficult to conceive. And I was born after Bad was released. As a person of color (I am Asian), it saddens me that MJ has tranformed himself from a handsome man (no one can refute that he was beautiful during his time at Motown and early years at Epic) with African features to the person he is now. I sometimes wonder: when will a big nose, small eyes, etc. be accepted as beautiful without being seen as "exotic," "strange," "unattractive," etc. ?

But I have learned to disassociate his numerous plastic surgeries from his skin disorder, vitiligo. To be honest, I find it unbelievable and sad that MJ -- a person who has a number of issues with his image -- has to deal with this disease as well.

Rodya24 said:

I find this sad as well. I wonder if he had learned to love himself as he was would he have dealt with his vitiligo in a different way.

Would make his appearance a lot less severe. He’d just look like a left over member of Mazeratti.

MJ's skin "turning" has nothing to do with him wearing awful wigs, red lipstick and having multiple surgeries.


Nothing....

anyone who thinks MJ does not have vitiligo is a Grade A useless Moron with the brain of used Cum from a porn star.



He has vitiligo. Forget all the surgery shit. He has vitiligo which alone is enough to probably fuck your mind up beyond belief. So on top of being pissed off about having people making fun of him, he had to cope with having his skin color dissapear.

If you even watch Captain EO from 1985. In the making of video, he has lots of blothes on his face,arms everywhere. The fact is, during the late 80s, his make up artist skilfully evened out most of his color so it wouldn't be that noticeable.

It always pisses me off when fucking morons say, "he should have had white blotches, and not even color change". What the fuck are you people on ? Crack?

for gods sake, his makeup artist used a lighter shade on his white blotches, while at the same time, using light brown on his actual remaining skin color.

Its not exactly fucking rocket science. After all, MJ is a fucking multi millionaire and was able to afford the makeup, etc.

Even in the 1986 to 1989 Bad Era, there are fucking plenty of pictures where you can clearly see MJ where the makeup has been applied.

Its only fucking morons who say "oh he bleached it". Fucking morons, grow a pair of testicles or a clitoris for you females, and fucking accept it.

Yes, he fucking had numerous operations on his nose, who gives a fuck? its his nose. Is his nose fucking harming you in any way ?

For fucks sake! get a grip people.

Leave the man alone. He is suffering from something probably none of you can imagine. It is a fucking sad situation. But thats what happens with fucking genius, there is always flaws in some ways.

At least he fucking entertained everyone and gives great music.





Are you fucking retarded ? His shade lightened, because he used lighter brown makeup on his existing skin colour. and for the white blotches he used lots of brown to even it up. Its fucking simple, even a school kid can work out that.

It seems you cant.

fucking retard

look at this pic, look at his hand. Look closely and you can clearly see vitiligo. If anyone has a super size pic of this one , that will be fine.



god almighty, some of you lot need some fucking brains.
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dirtyman2005 said:

Your the retard for not looking at the broader picture. Okay lets say he wore body makeup, what about during his concerts where he sweated profusely you going to tell me it never came off. What about pics of him back in the mid 80s when he was actually in his pool with just his swimming trucks? You going to tell me the makeup never came off? I only believe in coincidences to a certain extent and with Michael there are just mtoo many to believe everything he says.

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fuck off you moron

what the fuck is this then on his arm?



and his leg



fucking moron

quit trying to be smart.
that picture just fucking owned you
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fucks sake

you can make fun of his nose if you want or whatever

but trying to argue that he does not have vitiligo, man some of you are on crack.

the fucking pictures prove it.

he might be fucked, but he aint that fucked that he could bleach his skin.

its not even possible.

fucking morons!

dirtyman2005 said:

And this is the problem with you defensive hardcore fans, you can NEVER, NEVER show us a convincing picture of when he was dark-skin with white patches, you can easily show us pictures when he is primarily white with brown patches,once again how convienient, but what about when it would have been at it's most obvious when he was black with white patches. Show me a series of pictures during the Triumph era or the Thriller era where he had white patches on black skin and then I will probably take the whole disease a little more seriously.

Btw since you claim that the reason why the vitiligo wasn't obvious during his initial stages because of his "brilliant" makeup job, why isn't he now using makeup to cover up his brown patches on primarily white skin?



These pictures were taken around the same time as the Triumph era picture where is wearing a red shirt on stage. Now if someone can show me similiar pictures where he looks like this white patches, I will be a little more convinced.
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[Edited 8/17/07 13:52pm]

This picture was taken in late 1986 on the set of "Bad"



around the same time


on the bad tour:


that very same week:


there were times in the late 1980s and 90s were sometimes he looked darker and sometimes he looked lighter.