AHHHHH! STOP ADDING ON TO IT!!!!

We never got nowhere before on other Michael threads so what would this do? JESUS!

I love Michael too but doggone...

I swear 100 threads of the same ish... LOL!

Timmy84 said:

The moderators only add to the crap BY NOT DELETING, LOCKING AND/OR MERGING ALL THESE MICHAEL JACKSON THREADS. The sad part is that IT'S NOT LIKE MJ HAS ANY MUSIC OUT OR ANYTHING!

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soFRESHH said:

midnightmover said:[quote]

floetcist said:

okay, MJ bleached himself- does that make you happy?

The point is his doctors testified and medical files were presented that showed or should i say supported the fact that MJ had vitiligo and discoid lupus - happy? There are pictures that prove that MJ didnt gradually get lighter (esp. during the BAD era) and there are pictures of where he has noticable blotches - white looking or black..whether you believe he had it is up to you...

And to that Jermaine thing, Jermaine was pissed off at MJ during the time of 'word to the badd' so i don't know whether to take what he said in the song seriously or not, all i heard was that MJ was pissed as hell about it..Also, during the Big Brother thing, it seemed that Jeramine wanted to be himself and not always linked as MJ's brother- probably the reason why he was half-hearted when he was talking about MJ's issues? But honestly i did find it very odd how he didn't remember the name of a disease that supposedly changed his brothers dskin tone so drastically or atleast cintributed to the change..

This thread is hilarious...
I just find it astounding and hilarious the love and hate that this man has garnered.

To some he's a skin bleaching, child diddling maniac
To others he's a Jesus Reincarnate...
Everybody is just so involved in his life, that people forget about their own.
A new breed of escapism.
And though yes i've taken part in it in the past, But have grown out of it.

What do you get out of talking about the inner workings/demons of one middle aged pop star?
Doees it give you a sense of nirvana?
A sense of self worth?
Do you have idle hands just tapping away at the keyboard?

I know why i use to do it!
Cause i had no life.

Do you?

Namaste brothers & sisters

Im out of this sordid little tango

I'll catch ya at the dawn

-another wayward zen lunatic

this message will now be ignored
Thank U

soFRESHH said:

AND THE CHOIR SAID HALLELEJUH, PRAISE CHRIST THE KING, GOD IS GOOD.

WHAT?

ALL THE TIME!!!!!

Quoted for truth. MERGE the threads. Its easier to access, helpful and just makes more sense.

EmbattledWarrior said:

Nah, I hear you boo

Imago said:

I shouldn't be laughing at this but it's so true....damn what happened Mike.
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theres a type of MJ fan that is so violent and fanatic.

they even think hes sexy.

they know nothing about how law works and insult the ones who have doubts. I mean if theres more than one case of child molesting and things as having sleepovers with lil boys when ur over 50 is not a very normal behaviour.

if MJ gets all this shit is because hes playing with fire.

theres been a case of a 64 year old child molester that was put in jail waiting for the trial. this guy has been getting away with all this shit for yeeearrs. now it appears its gonna be his last time. this was yesterday.

i mention the OJ case just to remind u that whatever a verdict says does not equal to being "INNOCENT" or not finding "evidence"

theres no evidence of god or us having a soul.

when u get invlved in this type of shit its because theres something weird happening. u dont get accused of child molesting that easily.
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bboy87 said:

Oh, I think it is going somewhere. We've established that MJ fans say he had depigmentation treatment, yet they can't tell us when, and they can't tell us how long the treatment takes. They say he's proud to be black yet they can't tell us why he didn't use make up that matched his natural skin tone. They're very good at posting pointless pictures and irrelevant links to Donny Osmond ( ) yet when you ask them specific questions they have no answer. I think the huge gaping holes in their logic are being exposed quite effectively in this thread.

Rodya24 said:

I'm glad you said that because I was thinking the exact same thing. Every time you are asked a quite reasonable question you simply refuse to answer it and make vague references to the mystical court transcripts. The fact that you cannot answer some basic and pertinent questions about this issue shows that you haven't thought about it very clearly at all.

Here's another quite logical and important question that I guarantee you will have no answer for. You claim he was diagnosed in 1984. Well, Michael had been getting lighter for sometime before then. He himself said he got vitiligo "sometime around Off The Wall, Thriller" (a suspiciously vague time frame by the way). Well, surely when he found these white patches on his skin he would have seen a doctor right away. And since vitiligo is one of the easiest conditions to diagnose that means there is no way he would not have got a diagnosis immediately. No way. So how do you explain that he didn't get diagnosed until several years after he found the white patches on his skin? He had, after all, been getting make up from his dermatologist for years by then.

electrorock said:

lmao please go and read all the transcripts carefully (covers the trial and previous allegations- with real lawyers who know about the law analysing the whole situation) and then you'll discover how easy it is to be accused of such a thing when you're him- a few have some up with the most laughable allegations (e.g. jason francia) and still got atention- sad really..There was too much evidence supporting OJ's guilt..it was too obvious- his own daughter hates his guts. However, in MJ's case all people can ever come up with is, 'It's not normal for a 45 year old to be sharing a room/bed with a kid blah blah' is that how you're going to convict a man? and might i mention that most if not all the times MJ sleeping in the same room as those kids, his own kids and other adult friends (frank cascio) also slept in his bedroom suite. wow talk about being cretinous. but as i said, i mentioned Aphrodites book, good read when it comes to knowing what happened instead of slanted coverage on sh!t like court tv- I found the June Chandler testimony very interesting. And testimony of the boy was hilarious- stories changed up so many times- they should have lanned that whole thing more carefully - prosecution was a mess.

Anyway, yes MJ has seriosu issues with his image and we probably will never know what the f*ck was going on in his head when he decided to screw up his face and why he never realised when it was time t stop..as for the molestation charges, all i can say is that he was dumb for putting himself in such a situation asgain- dumb as hell, especially with a family of grifters. Imagine if he was found guilty, that family would be choking on all that money they would have gotten from the civil suit that would follow...

soFRESHH said:

Okay, you're not a complete zealot since even you can see how odd it is that Jermaine couldn't remembr the name of a disease which apparently runs in the family and turned his brother white. And yes, he did seem extremely half hearted when defending Michael on this point.

midnightmover said:

midnightmover said:

Oh okay, because we share different views i'm a 'zealot' now?
I would like to know what makes you so sure that what you're saying is completely on point..

soFRESHH said:

I take back the exemption I granted you in my previous post. You are a zealot. You must also be quite young since you don't seem to remember that people were already noticing his lighter skin when Thriller came out. Compare the cover of Off The Wall with the cover of Thriller. If you can't see the difference in skin colour then I recommend you get some glasses. Even on Motown 25 and the Beat It video he was beginning to have a slightly puerto rican look. He was still clearly black, but people were already noticing his lighter skin at the time.
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soFRESHH said:

u dont seem to get it. this 64 year old man got away with so many cases and that doesnt mean he was innocent. u should study how these people act. MJ has all the signs. maybe he is not and maybe he is. we just dont know.

electrorock said:

i think you first need to overcome the fact that MJ is not the 64 year old man..he did it many times, got away with it eventually got caught but that does not mean it's the same for MJ. Using someone elses case to judge anothers like that without even looking at facts besides 'it's odd for a 40 year old man blah' is dumb..and what other signs are there? dont even bring up the porn and alcohol- those were obviously for MJ- If MJ was grooming them then why did he suppposedly 'touch' Star (boys brother) in an appropriate way (as in molest) the first time they met him- whoops i forgot that was taken out of the allegations when the prosecution realised it would ruin the whole grooming idea they conjured up after they discovered the hetero porn that belonged to MJ. You can think what you want but people who have carefully studied the case, allegations etc. have come to the conclusion that the possibility of MJ having done that to that bow was extremeley low.. but whatever you want to believe - just dont go comparing OJ to MJ just becuase theyre two black men who were accused of something and werent convicted - different people, different case.

midnightmover said:

I dont know why i'm even taking you seriously, child. Using the cover of the OTW album to support what you're saying- 1 picture out of all the pictures he's taken during that era.

1977-1981:





thriller era:






doesn't lok that much different...and my eyes are fine according to a recent test i took the only thing that is obviously different are the features of his face, nose shap/size etc.

and if you think MJ looked puerto rican - even slightly in Beat It or Thriller, then i'm deeply worried for you..

Hmm some person called Vicky, on another forum posted this :

(very good, strong points regarding the whole skin thing issue)

All I'm going to say about Michael skin color is this:

1. If Michael bleached his skin for cosmetic reasons, he would have stopped in 1991 when his skin resembled a normal "white" color.

2. He didn't, his skin is now without pigment...which is why the flash of a camera will make him look whiter than the whitest white person. If you can find me a soul on earth that wishes to be ghost white, please tell me about this person.

3. If Michael bleached his skin for cosmetic reasons, he wouldn't be the only person we know of that has made this transformation without a skin disease.

4. Michael went through depigmentation therapy with the assistance of his dermatologist. Because the patches from Vitiligo strip all pigment from the skin, when going through depigmentation therapy you have to use the medication until all pigment is gone. Otherwise, patches will still be seen. Depigmentation therapy is merely a way of speeding up what will happen anyway.

5. During the Thriller era Michael literally wore layers of facial makeup. So much that it would bleed onto his stage costumes and even his microphone during the Victory tour. Why? Guess.



This is Michael's makeup kit during the Victory Tour. Yeah, for real. That's not normal coverup is it? Nope, I use foundation too...mine doesn't come in that kind of container. Looks like a "special kind."



The flash of the camera captured just how much of this stuff Michael is wearing. Under normal lighting, and in most photos from this tour his skin appeared fine. Little did we know at the time, huh? Look at his pants, his microphone.


Michael under normal lighting, looks fine.

6. Michael's dermatologist confirmed he had Vitiligo and Discoid Lupus (this is what caused his rosy red cheeks during the Thriller era) during a deposition concerning the 1993 allegations.

7. The medication used for this process is only available via dermatologist.

8. A dermatologist will not risk years of schooling and practice by giving a black guy that wants to be white a strong medication that could harm him, then covering it up by saying it was vitiligo. It's not plastic surgery which is what most people get for vanity reasons, you don't have to need plastic surgery to get it. A dermatologist will not personally give you anything they don't feel you need.

9. If it were as simple as buying bleaching products from the store, believe me...more black people would have bleached their skin already with the "success" that Michael has had. They do it in parts of Africa and come out looking like hell.

10. Michael on Oprah said "I don't want to go into my medical history because that's private." He probably didn't want to go into the details because he felt that people wouldn't understand. Michael isn't very good at explaining things outloud in a way that people will accept.

11. Michael's issues with his appearance have never seemed to mirror someone that hates their ethnicity. It stemmed from teasing, growing up on camera...things like that. As soon as he was old enough, he got his nose done...he had nose issues. All of Michael's idols were black men. Michael sang black music...took part in all the black trends (afro, jheri curl..ect). Michael didn't up and decide in 1985 that he wanted to be a white man.

12. Michael has vitiligo. What causes the doubt is the lack of explaination on how it progressed.


*looks at his wrist on the right*
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soFRESHH said:

Only one of those pictures is from the 70s (the least clear one). The rest are all from the 80s when things were already getting strange. I've noticed that there are plenty of shots of Michael in 1983 looking darker. But the weird thing is there's also numerous photos and videos of him looking lighter. For instance in the Thriller video he is darker than in the Beat It video filmed 6 months earlier. Now you could argue that it's just different lighting, which is plausible, but we'd never seen him in the 70s looking as light as he did in Beat It or Motown 25, etc. What's more people did notice it at the time. I remember reading a biography Nelson George wrote in 1983 at the height of Thriller where he was commenting on it even then. You surely must admit that he is much lighter on the cover of Thriller for instance than on Off The Wall or the Destiny sleeve.

btw, these arguments this Vicky person you quoted is using are hugely flawed. Do you think there's no such thing as an unethical dermatologist?
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midnightmover said:

Exactly they go on as if to say Doctors can't be unethical. Doctors are human being, so we are going to get good and bad doctors, like you get good and bad builders or lawyers. And we know already that Michael has been around unethical doctors, because they have already screwed up his features with too much surgery. The fact that some Doctors don't know when to tell their patients "No more" is unethical in itself.

midnightmover said:

look, we were talkin about differnt era's right? and people still put the year 1981 as an off the wall era, i thought we were comparing the skin colours in different eras.. Yes MJ's colour seemed wierd, sometimes much darker darker (during thriller) and lighter etc. but it's probably because of lighting or whether he had been in the sun - i don't know lol. But what i'm saying is I don't think his skin colour had changed from OTW era to Thriller so much that one would go: 'omg MJ's bleaching himself- his skin has changed blah. Anyone who though MJ had bleached himself and gone lighter after seeing thriller and Billie Jean had lost the plot.Mj's tone appeared to be changing in late 1986.

Yes there are unethical doctors, but i highly doubt those unethical doctors could come on the stand and lie putting themselves and their credibilities a doctors at risk- for what purpose? . them testifying or not would not have had a huge impact on the case there are medical documents of his that were presented - unless you're saying those are not legit too? but i will say that is a very good point to whoever brought up the thing about unethical doctors..

And you discredited all her points but only picked up on one- care to say why her argumetns are flawed?

I belive MJ has vitiligo,even those who still think he wanted to be white belived he had vitiligo.. you don't so let's agree to disagree..-i'm done.
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soFRESHH said:

I'm not even sure how "looking Puerto Rican" even means Or am I supposed to believe all Puerto Ricans look the same

soFRESHH said:

Oh snap. Thats Vicky from Steady-Laughing.com Thats my home girl simce like, forevererer. Thanks for posting that.

whatsgoingon said:

However, that I will agree with.
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soFRESHH said:

You can clearly see the disease Vitiligo on his hand in this pitcure.....

soFRESHH said:

Well, I'm glad you acknowledged there were weird things happening with his colour in 1983. That's something. However, you're putting words in my mouth with the bit in bold. The truth is in 1983 people were noticing his lighter skin but no one accused him of anything because they had no idea it was going to go as far as it did . They were just mildly confused. But most people (including myself) didn't make a fuss about it. They loved Mike too much back then to ask questions. Also, your chronology is way off when you say his tone appeared to be changing in late 86. His tone had been changing for years before then and continued to change until reaching full whiteness in 1992.


There's a very good reason for that. And in pointing this out I'll illuminate for you why these arguments usually go round in circles. Because people on the wrong side of the argument constantly try and divert attention away from the relevant issues by throwing up red herrings. Check it out. I started asking Rodya24 some very straightforward questions that get right to the heart of the issue. He couldn't answer them and ducked out. Then floetcist stepped in to help him out. But he also couldn't answer the questions and ducked out too. Now here you are posting a million pictures and quoting lengthy posts from some other fan, and in the meantime, the important questions I asked are still going unanswered. Since you guys are intent on dodging them, let me repeat them again.

1. You're all certain he had depigmentation therapy. Fine. When did he have it?

2. How long does it take? I understand what the treatment is, but how long does it take? Weeks, months, days?

3. Millions of people suffer from vitiligo. Therefore there must be tons of people who have gradually appeared lighter and lighter over the years in the way Michael has. Can you please show me an example? (btw, some fool earlier seriously denied he gradually got lighter. Look at the Triumph tour, then Victory, then Bad, then Dangerous. He's lighter on each successive tour so please don't be silly and deny the obvious).

4. Earlier we saw a picture of a black man turned 85% white yet he still used black make up to even out his skin. Why did Michael not do the same?

I'll just cut and paste what I said earlier:
Doing a report on vitiligo a couple of years ago, I remember reading the makeup used to make the original skin color never looks authentic and has to be re-applied every couple of days or weeks so many people prefer doing depigmentation. That's all I know