bboy87 said:

For real? Damn! Gotta give him props for his acting though cos he cried in court. He's one talented liar.


But Michael has shared his bed with numerous little boys. The Gavin Whatshisname
thing was always doubtful because Mike wouldn't be so publicly open with a boy he was planning to abuse (although with his irrational thought processes you never know), but these other issues haven't been answered. Sharing your bed with little boys is no way to recapture your childhood since most children don't sleep together. What about the English boy who says Michael talked dirty to him down the phone? I have a memory of him apparently paying off some other boy in 1994 ($2 million I think?).
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Rodya24 said:

What do the court documents in a child molestation case have to do with his "vitiligo"? He was being prosecuted for kiddie fiddling not turning white. Why would the prosecution waste time arguing about whether or not he lightened his skin?

P.S. Some fool earlier said he'd listened to Jermaine's Word To The Badd 20 times and couldn't hear where Jermaine said Michael had lighened his skin. Let me take this opportunity to help him out. Here are the lines "Once you were made/ You changed your shade/ Was your colour wrong?/ Could not turn back/ It's a known fact/ You were too far gone". Maybe it's just me, but that sounds pretty clear. Earlier, you mentioned his comments on Big Brother. In doing so, you show why MJ fans (including you) cannot be trusted. It's not that you lie it's just that you conveniently forget to mention so much. In the scene you're referring to Jermaine was being pressed to defend Michael about several issues. When asked about his brother's skin he half heartedly said Michael had some skin disease but he couldn't remember the name of it . Let me repeat that. Michael has a skin disease that apparently runs in the family and has turned his brother white and Jermaine can't remember the name of it. Doesn't that strike you as a little bit suspicious?

midnightmover said:

I mentioned the skin-color chance, because the court transcripts and leaked documents talk about the skin disease. I recommend that you check them out since you seem to be interested in both topics: his skin-color change and child molestation accusations.

As for his siblings, you are right. In particular, Jermaine, Janet, and Latoya have had inconsistent stories regarding their brother Michael for the past two decades. I brought up the example of Jermaine saying that Michael had a skin disease because it seemingly contradicts what he had said earlier. To be honest, I tend be to skeptical of whatever his siblings say about Michael.

PurpleCharm said:

We're going around in circles here The reason he chose depigmentation therapy as opposed to using full body make-up is the same reason why any other vitiligo patient would! Don't bother mocking me, or twisting what I said in an attempt to. You're shitting yourself if you think someone in the public eye wants to wake up everyday to put on pull body make-up.

midnightmover said:

I don't remember any contradictorial statements by Jermaine, but I don't follow his ass so anyway. Both Kate, Joe and Janet have said he has vitiligo. I have this one particular video Janet's from a 2004 interview here where she talks about it, and specifically says its vitiligo and it is in her family. The Johnathon Ross interview.

http://jetzis-mjvideo.com...nt37c.html

The reason vitiligo has to do with the court transcripts because I think its been said numerous times in the course of this thread, that both the prosecution and defense have confirmed that he does indeed have it. Hell, Thomas Sneddon has mentioned that he still has those photographs (the ones they took in 1993 investigation of his body) just in case any "new victims" pop up.
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floetcist said:

For the benefit of a novice like myself please explain this depigmenation therapy to me. How long does it take? When did Michael have it? How is it done?

floetcist said:

Lord, you really do have a talent for missing the point don't you? As I just said to Rodya 24, why would the prosecution bother to argue about whether or not Michael had lightened his skin? It was irrelevant. They were there to get him on paedophile charges, not charges of treachery to his race. The fact that you think that is compelling proof shows what low IQs you and your breed suffer from.

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http://AOCD
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=b4FIw9kG1PM (Strong Medicine episode)

Depigmentation involves fading the rest of the skin on the body to match the already white areas. For people who have vitiligo on more than 50 percent of their bodies, depigmentation may be the best treatment option. Patients apply the drug monobenzylether of hydroquinone (monobenzone or Benoquin*) twice a day to pigmented areas until they match the already depigmented areas. Patients must avoid direct skin-to-skin contact with other people for at least 2 hours after applying the drug.

The major side effect of depigmentation therapy is inflammation (redness and swelling) of the skin. Patients may experience itching, dry skin, or abnormal darkening of the membrane that covers the white of the eye. Depigmentation is permanent and cannot be reversed. In addition, a person who undergoes depigmentation will always be abnormally sensitive to sunlight.

The diagnosis of vitiligo is usually straightforward, and no special testing is needed. While vitiligo is a cosmetic problem and does not affect the health directly, it is disfiguring and may be psychologically traumatic. The condition cannot be cured at present, but treatments are available that may be very helpful. Medical treatments target the immune system, and try to reverse the destruction. Surgical treatments are less commonly done, and transplant healthy melanocytes from other areas. Both treatments may be difficult and prolonged.

midnightmover said:

In 1993-94, the police department took nude pictures of Michael Jackson in order to see whether or not the descriptions of his genitalia given by the accuser matched the pictures. What the prosecution, in particular, were looking for were spots on his genitalia caused by vitiligo.

midnightmover said:

They wanted Jordan Chandler to describe and draw Michael Jackson's genitals. They know that Michael Jackson has vitiligo skin, and if Jordan Chandler's description of the penis accurately matches the photographs, that can further the case on whether Michael Jackson appeared nude before the boy, and/or has indeed molested him.

Such a low IQ I suffer from my breed

Rodya24 said:

If they did find spots on his genitalia that would not prove he had vitiligo because it wouldn't explain HOW HE GOT THE SPOTS. There's a story I've heard from a credible source that Michael had to visit his doctor after he hurt himself applying some kind of bleach to his genitalia. There was also a tube of half used skin bleach found among his private possessions that were confiscated in a lawsuit. I saw it on the Michael's Millions documentary and whatsgoingon mentioned it earlier. No one responded to this point.

P.S. Did the photos show the spots or not?

floetcist said:

You do indeed suffer from a low IQ as you just totally missed the point AGAIN! You said that since the prosecution in his 2005 paedophile case didn't deny that he had vitiligo that's proof he must have it. I'm asking you why on earth the prosecution would bother arguing about his skin condition when they were prosecuting him for paedophilia. That's the point. Get it?

midnightmover said:

I have not seen the photos, so cannot answer your question for sure. But considering that he has vitiligo, I would assume so.

Like I have said before, the prosecution and defense have been in agreement from 1993 on that Michael Jackson has vitiligo. I recommend that you read the leaked documents and court transcripts. Like you, I thought Michael Jackson did not have vitiligo and that he was an insane individual who should be kept far from children. Reading these documents opened my eyes.

I believe he has vitiligo not because I am a raving lunatic, but because I have read the court transcripts and medical journals about vitiligo and the treatments for the skin disease.

Also, I recommend that you speak with PleasurePrinciple. While she believes that Michael Jackson is the embodiment of black self-hatred, she believes he has vitiligo. She also has a relative with the disease who went from being black to white like Michael Jackson.

floetcist said:

So how long does the treatment take? Weeks, days, months? And when did Michael undergo this process?

midnightmover said:

You're the one missing the point. No the prosecution was not 'arguing' about his skin condition. Did you even read any part of my post? I spoke about the 1993 photographs, the possibility of the accuser's description (or actually Evan Chandler's own drawing, to be specific, mind you) matching, etc...?
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midnightmover said:

All I know is that when Michael Jackson was diagnosed with universal vitiligo and lupus in 1984, his doctor gave him the option of either waiting for his skin to turn white, or to undergo depigmentation which would quicken the process -- an option that people with universal vitiligo often choose.
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floetcist said:

It seems as well as having a low IQ you also have the memory of a goldfish. Here is what you said about 20 minutes ago.


Since you don't seem to understand or remember your own argument let me translate your words back to you. You were saying the court transcripts confirm he had vitiligo merely because the prosecution at his trial didn't argue the point. I'm asking you (for the THIRD time ) why they would bother to argue the point when they were prosecuting him on charges of paedophilia, not race treachery.
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Rodya24 said:

I thought it was 1986 that he was diagnosed?

Rodya24 said:

He was diagnosed in 1984? Michael had already got quite lighter by then. Why wasn't he using make up to match his natural shade? Also if he had this treatment that means he would then immediately become white, so why did he get so gradually lighter and lighter? For someone who seems so certain he has vitiligo there seem to be an awful lot of important details you don't know.

midnightmover said:

I said what I know for certain is that he was diagnosed in 1984. I do not know when he underwent depigmentation.

All I know for certain are from the court transcripts and science. It is impossible to go through the depigmentation process without having vitiligo. I recommend that you read up on the treatment. Like you said, I am no expert when it comes down to it. I will let the scientists do the talking for me.

Also, I recommend that you speak with PleasurePrinciple. She knows a relative who has vitiligo; she is helpful. I am assuming you will have an easier time believing from her that Michael Jackson has vitiligo, since unlike me, she believes that he is an embodiment of black self-hatred.

On a final note, I encourage you to read the court transcripts and leaked documents. I used to hold the same opinions as you do right now, so I understand where you are coming from, and why you are so skeptical.
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I'll ask again: "I thought he was diagnosed in 1986? "

Timmy84 said:

Where did you read that?

Rodya24 said:

I'm not sure where I got it VERBATIM but I could've sworn his doctor or someone like that said that Michael was first diagnosed with the disease in 1986 but that his skin had been going through its changes since his early adulthood. I still wonder why he didn't tell no one BACK THEN that he had it. What, did he think NOT telling people he had vitiligo would help? It wasn't made official that it was 1984, you must've been looking at a Wikipedia edit.

Timmy84 said:

No.

I recommend that you read the court transcripts and leaked documents. They are helpful in understanding him as a human being, and the choices that he has made over the years. I used to think he was insane. Now I think he is a damaged individual, but not the horrible person I imagined him to be.

But judging from your previous posts, you like his music and do not seem to condemn him as a person like others in this thread.
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Rodya24 said:

I see it like this, the man's got problems, I mean ain't no need to even lie about it, the man has had some problems in his life but the bottom line is his music always shined above it and I like to remember him as what his occupation states: a talented man of music and entertainment and that's about it. He ain't a bad person but I do believe he has bad judgment but not everybody hasn't had an unscathed life. I mean look at Marvin and 'em.
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This thread is going nowhere

bboy87 said:

I know. And I am not contributing much to it either. Just repeating the same thing over and over again...

bboy87 said:

It's like the same thread X 100, of course this thread - like OTHER Mike threads - wasn't going to go anywhere. THOUGHT U KNEW!

electrorock said:

Why mention the case when you don't know jack about it? Being accused twice doesn't make it suspicious, the only thing it does is highlight how stupid MJ was enough to let himself get into such a situation again. If you did some REAL research on both cases then you would not relate MJ's situation to OJ AT ALL...
I swear people give the most dumb reasons for insinuating that he's guilty- yes he has issues, but pedo? highly,highly doubt it...and this is coming from someone who once truly belived he was a pedo...and people also need to read up on the 1993 'pay-off' and other things regarding that case instead of just listening to the media's spin on it.. You might want to start by reading 'Michael Jackson conspiracy' by aphrodite jones, using the facts, she threw the credibility of those allegations (03-05) straight out the window..

BOYCOTT THIS THREAD! THIS IS A PROTEST! BOYCOTT THIS THREAD!

THAT IS AN ORDER!

midnightmover said:

wow, first off, there are a few crazy kids who have come out with whack ass stories but that is new to me - link? an example is jason francia who sued MJ because he was 'tickled' and on the stand admitted he was having money problems and his testimony screamed liar/extorter.. these families all tended to have reasons for making up such a thing...

2) If you watched the Bashir thing carefully, you would have picked out that MJ slept on the floor- the boy even said this and Mj's friend (an adult) was often sleeping on the florr also (the arvisos didnt visit MJ that freuently at all)

3) If you read the transcripts, you would know that MJ kept those heterosexual porn magazines carefully hidden in suitcases- locked away, hidden..he did not openly leave them about for those boys to look at. However, witnesses testified that they (the kid and his sibling) had been caught rummaging through his things and had without his knowledge taken those magazines...it is possible that he might have left them hanging around or something- doesn't mean it's a bid to 'groom' the boys.In fact on the stand, Star (the brother) testified that he had definently seen a specific magazine only to find out that the issue was of a date later than the last time they had left neverland for good- hmm suspivious. About the alcohol,no one witnessed MJ giving them alcohol so i dont know why toure talking like you know he did for certain, it was only known that the arviso kids stole keys to the cellar and entered without his knowledge (the cellar was banned from kids).

4) Another thing i find odd about this 03-05 case is that the arvisos had admitted to lieing in court about ANOTHER previous molestation case in which they accused JC Penny security guards of molesting the boys mother after they had been caught stealing- they recived money from that case also. Another thing is how star arviso (boy's bother) in the beginning was also apparantly 'touched' by MJ around the time they first met him but then after the raids that was taken out- guess that didn't fit in with ths whole idea of MJ 'grooming' them huh?

5) Honestly, as far as i'm concerned that case was a complete waste of taxpayers money- some who are interested should get 'Michael Jackson Conspiracy' by aphrodite jones. It covers the 03-05 trail and briefly covers other allegations -very good book..
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