mimi07 said:

Mimi, say you're Black and you're proud!

Timmy84 said:

i am proud but my parents are both from a country in africa and i was born in america so i've always just said african american and so i got used to saying that instead of balck

mimi07 said:

mimi07 said:

Makes sense. You should call yourself whatever you are comfortable with.

mimi07 said:

Oh ok, I gotcha.

Timmy84 said:

Rodya24 said:

PurpleCharm said:

Doing a report on vitiligo a couple of years ago, I remember reading the makeup used to make the original skin color never looks authentic to be re-applied every couple of days. Many people prefer doing depigmentation. That's all I know

mimi07 said:

If you, a TRUE African ain't mad, then I ain't mad

mimi07 said:

And quite frankly, making some whiny-ass comment (knowing you have anonymity protecting you) on a thread about Michael Jackson's appearance doesn't win you any brownie points. [Be nice snip - luv4u]

Najee said:

oh man, get over it

image complex?

thats a fact. he never liked being black. he changed his whole face with caucasian features.

but whats wrong with that?

there r women that are white and look black. check pam anderson or some others.

the bad-weird thing about michael is the paying of millions to his first accusation so to avoid court.

we still dont know what happened and when things are not clear its too bad. he should clean his image concerning this shit before anything else.

PurpleCharm said:

What is there some big conspiracy? Ask him and all the other people who opted for through depigmentation therapy instead of putting full body make-up everyday for the rest of their lives; and to be famous in the public eye no less, in Michael Jackson's case.

PurpleCharm said:

What do you think he was doing althrough the 80s? Hello...?!

electrorock said:

I recommend you to read the transcripts from the 2005 trial and the leaked documents from the 1993-94 incident. You will discover a damaged man, but not a pedophile.

electrorock said:

Read the GQ article from 1994 by Mary A. Fisher.

Also




Was too lazy to screen capture the whole thing, but there you go.

Speaking of recommendations, since this has exactly everything to do with the whole premise of this thread, listen to this leaked phone call between Michael with a lady friend. He speaks about Joseph and what he used to say to him when he was little.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-EwbZCIYO_A

Sad.

electrorock said:

So,you see no problem with a black man who wants to look white?







Pamela Anderson looks black??




Sadly,I don't think he can really "clean" his image after that.Those are serious charges that will stick with him forever (even though it's never been proven).

floetcist said:

I think all of us can agree that Joseph Jackson was mentally, emotionally, psychologically, and physically abusive to Michael Jackson and his siblings. But abuse effects us in different ways. And it seems that with Michael abuse effected him tremendously.

But I think you also have to consider the reaction of the female fans when he was going through puberty. The same people who would go insane when Off The Wall and Thriller came out, were surprised and disgusted by his acne problems when they saw him up close. Also, during this time, The Jackson 5 and The Jacksons were in a commercial decline -- another source of stress for Michael Jackson.

SoulAlive said:

No, he cannot. These accusations will be part of his life until his death. When historians write about Michael Jackson, these accusations will be remembered

But for now, the intelligent person will seek the truth. He or she will read the transcripts from the 2005 trial and the leaked documents from the 1993-94 incident, and make up his or her opinion about whether or not Michael Jackson is innocent of these particular charges.

SoulAlive said:

I don't get that either. How can any sane person think that's OK?

Some of these cats need to read up on their history.

uPtoWnNY said:

I suspect that some of these MJ fans were in diapers when 'Thriller' came out They probably became fans during the 'Dangerous' period,which means they don't know or care about the time when he was truly "black".

uPtoWnNY said:

what im saying is that if he doesnt like to be black that is his problem. nothing wrong with the rest of the world. hes not killing anyone.
some white women want to have black butts, black lips, black skin colour (tan) or even curly hair when they have it straight.

tha wrong thing is being 50 and hanging out with children all day and even admitting sleepovers with lil boys. that cant be normal and brings the problems he had. Not being guilty or not finding evidence does not equal to innocent. U can be accused once but if more theres something suspicious.

i wish he did nothing to those kids. i wish he would concentrate on cleaning his image. If someone accuses me of doing something i did not do i would go to court straight away.

OJ was declared "not guilty"

Mj said he only had 2 nose jobs. I mean, if he can lie that way with something we can all see i dont wanna think about the stuff we cannot see as all the child abuse thing.

I dont hate MJ and wish him the best but theres stuff that is not clear.
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electrorock said:

Again, I recommend that you read the leaked documents from the 1993-94 incident and the transcripts from the 2005 trial. It will answer your question as to why the 1993-94 incident did not translate into a criminal trial.

floetcist said:

Depigmentation therapy...hmmmm....In that case, I guess vitiligo was a blessing in disguise.

I don't know what he was doing in the 80's. Please enlighten me.

electrorock said:

There is an awful lot more evidence than just the 1993 and 2005 cases. There's an English boy (now middle aged) who knew Michael from 1979-1983. He says Michael was great overall and he still is positive, but he does say that there was an incident at the end of their relationship when Michael was talking dirty down the phone and seemed to be masturbating. Also, wasn't there a 23 year old social worker who testified in the 2005 case that Michael had abused him too? He cried while testifying. Also, I'm not sure about this, but wasn't there some other boy Michael paid off after Chandler?

But I'm afraid I have to return to the Bashir interview. It came out that Michael had coerced his young friend into sharing his bed. He told the boy "If you love me, you will". Why is Michael talking boys into doing something he knows full well is inappropriate and that they themselves are uncomfortable with? He says he wants to recapture his lost childhood but that explanation does not hold water. Most children do not share each other's beds. When I was a child I never slept in the same bed as my friends. How many people here did? That would have been gay boy shit and you would never have lived it down if you even suggested it. Children have boundaries just like grown ups.

The pornography and alcohol which he let the boy have access to is also highly disturbing. It speaks to me of a man slowly pushing the boundaries bit by bit. If you don't want a minor to find your porno stash it's very easy to hide it. That is not a dificult thing to do. Same goes for alcohol. This seems like classic grooming. Peadophiles don't just snatch boys and molest them right away. They befriend them, and slowly push the boundaries until eventually going the whole way. Too much of Michael's behaviour is scarily close to this model. I'm not saying he's a paedophile, and it seems strange he would abuse that specific boy right after the Bashir broadcast, but there are just too many unresolved and unsettling questions. Point blank, you would have to be a pathological idiot to think that that "not guilty" verdict means he definitely has no sexual interest in children. Even some of the jurors said they thought he may have molested boys in the past.
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Rodya24 said:

Thank you. SMH @ that person's logic.


..... @ first sentence. Secondly, its not "suspicious" if you actually took one moment in your life to learn the background details and information before you make judgment on how "suspicious" it is. I can't wrap my mind around your theory, so much so that its making my head hurt. Its so flawed in so many ways I don't even know where to begin, so I won't. At least, not now. But I will advise you one thing -- DON'T talk about the subject matter as if they know what you're saying is for a fact, and yet don't even supply any logical reasoning on what makes them so sure. Cause it means you're talking out of your ass.

PurpleCharm said:

Exactly what we were talking about. Make up. You will find many Michael pictures during the Thriller/Bad era where you can tell he's wearing a lot of foundation to cover up the spots. His face is obviously covered with cosmetics the bulk of this period, the unevenness of it is there. So you can see that when it did start, he did try concealing it (obviously no one knew about it until he was visibly a shade lighter).




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floetcist said:

You're dodging the fundamental question. I'll explain it to you. On the previous page of this thread we see a black man who has turned 85% white, yet he still uses black make up. Why doesn't Michael do the same? I'll put another question to you. Millions have people have had vitiligo. Can you please show me an example of one other victim who has gradually lightened year on year in the way Michael has?
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SoulAlive said:

If anything, MJ looks Asian. He looks more Asian than white.
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midnightmover said:

See, you and I have it all wrong. According to floeticist...Michael chose depigmentation therapy because it would have been too much of a hassle trying to cover up 85% of his body like the gentleman in the picture, you know, with him being a celebrity and all. lol:

midnightmover said:

That social worker was the son of the maid who was caught stealing. She also sold her story to tabloids and as the price got higher, her story got more explicit. Also, he is also married to someone.....Tom Sneddon's daughter


If you remember that segment, you'll remember Michael said that the sharing of the bed was giving the kid the bed while he slept on the floor. "If you love me, you'll take the bed"


The kids were breaking into cabinets and broke into the wine cellar and were caught by the employees, while Michael was away

Looking back at the trial, the documents show the whole thing was bullshit
Just like there's "evidence" to try to prove he's a pedophile, there's MORE evidence that proves he isn't
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bboy87 said:

Thank you. People, please read the 2005 court transcripts and leaked documents from the 1993-94 incident instead of making a judgment based on the Martin Bashir interview. I had the same opinions as some of the orgers who have written in this thread. However, reading the documents OPENED MY EYES about the child molestation accusations, skin-color change, etc.