To hit high notes,
it's not your nose you're suppposed to change.

he wanted to look like people he admired, instead of joseph, pretty much.

gender dysphora

alphastreet said:

So that's why he looks like Diana Ross.

I'm reading the book 'The Magic and The Madness' at the moment and according to that book (and I think that's true) it's mainly because his brothers and Joe used to call him 'Big Nose', and he didn't want to look like his father. So when he broke his nose in 1979 he had 2 operations (he had problems with breathing so he did a 2nd). Well, after that.. we all know what happened.

There are some phone convos that's online where Michael's talking to a friend and he's telling her how Joe would make him feel worthless.



Anyway, didn't you start a thread JUST LIKE THIS earlier this week?

1nosejobs? So did he lift his cheekbones?

i think you have a MJ altering complex, i mean its been done to death already, get over it...
sooner or later the cat who says MJ wanted to look like Prince is gonna come with his collage of pictures, and this will be like the many doomed mj plastic surgery threads that already exist here on the org

We all wanna know the answer 2 that.I think he felt insecure like everyone does at a certain age and then on top of that the teasing.But you cant totally blame teasing because Im sure many people have gotten teased and dont go that far.What I dont understand is why people(fans) get mad when people think he wanted 2 look white.Im not even talking about his disease which he cant help.But everything he got "fixed" wasnt broken no pun intented.Most of the things that he got changed identified him with his racial background.So you cant blame people for thinking that.But 2 be honest I think its a bit of everything.Insecurity,vanity,racial issues,etc. The list goes on.

fluid said:

and yea,some other Jacksons got their noses done but atleast they are recognizable.And dont think Ima hater cuz I love the Jacksons and I love Michael but be real.

PleasurePrinciple said:

Yeah I believe he was TRULY insecure with himself. I still think he's that way today. Never satisfied. Then again, the Jackson family are notorious for insecurity. Janet said that if someone came to her and said "you're beautiful", she would ask the person if he/she was serious, which is a shame too. With the other Jacksons, they did it (surgery) for the hell of it, I think La Toya was insecure too.

Timmy84 said:

Janet said Michael said really cruel stuff 2 her growing up.At first I got angry b/c Im like he has some nerve but then I realized,he wanted someone that he could push around and make feel the same way his older brothers and father made him feel.sad but it happens everyday.Also look at Janet's older sisters;Latoya and Rebbie are naturally thin and Janet was always the pudgy one.Of course that would make you feel less than but look at her now

PleasurePrinciple said:

They were brothers and sisters so they always teased each other. Michael used to call Jermaine "Rocky Road" because of his acne. When the other brothers went through that phase, they didn't care, but when Michael went through it, it changed him dramatically.
A friend of mine has a theory that Michael wanted to be "colorless" he wanted to appeal to EVERYONE
[Edited 8/16/07 20:56pm]

bboy87 said:

That's what I thought when I first saw his "new" look, he didn't want anyone think he was black or white because as his rapper friend said in "Black or White", he "wasn't going to spend his life being a color".

Besides that, I'll still call him a brotha regardless.

bboy87 said:

I dont think you can go as far as speaking for his brothers saying they didnt care.They may not have altered their entire appearance 2 make them look different but it doesnt mean they didnt care.
And ummm it almost sounds as if you think Michael wanting to be "colorless" is a good thing.You are who you are.He should be proud of that.Colorless is good when its a state of mind and not manmade like plastic surgery.I always wonder how many white chicks he would have screaming to the top of their lungs if he wasnt so "colorless".

PleasurePrinciple said:

I'm saying when they were going through puberty, they knew it was phase and it didn't affect them like it did Michael.

Janet is hardly pudgy. Although she gains weight she looses it.

But yes the other jacksons have had nose jobs so why do they give Michael a hard time? Did he lift his cheekbones?

For whatever the reason Michael has been the target of too much contraversey.

Whihc bring me to Prince. Michael's skin changed involuntary because of a disease. The interesting thing is so has Prince's. He's gotten lighter. If you look at the original pictures during FOr You and Prince he looks quite dark.Nowadays he looks quite light. Odd cause usually people get darker throughout time. Of course this fueled rumors on weather he was all black.

But as for Michael I wannna know why he looks so scrawny. During the 2001 Madison Square Garden concerts people were saying he looked plain scrawny and unhealthy. His hair was all frizzed up and his nose looked liek a dolls. They say this is the rresult of having frquent nosejobs but he's only had 2. He's always been tiny , I didn't think he could get any bonier.

fluid said:

Michael has always been skinny. He was FORCED to start eating meat again in around 1988 because he was loosing weight too rapidly and he had already had health problems (His lung collasped back in 1981 on the Triumph Tour.)
It's also been rumored that he was anorexic for awhile too. The hair in 2001 was a hot mess, plain and simple
The nose thing, I don't know what the fuck happened, but he had it fixed a couple of months later.

bboy87 said:

His lung? How many medical problems has this guy had? He collapsed from heat exhaustion on the beach in 1979. He broke his nose that same year. His hair caught fire in 83. He fainted on The Dangerous tour. He broke his wrist in Africa. The cops hurt his arms during the last rial. He also bruised his lung inthe shower that same time period.He has Vitiligo. He's scrawny, and I hear there's problems with his liver.

The early pictures of Prince are not terribly realistic (hell a lot of those are actually paintings), and he was made to look "more african-american" to appear to the R&B audience. His current image is of course enhanced by wearing tons of make-up as well.

PleasurePrinciple said:

I don't understand that either. His fans call people ignorant and put down his changes down to vitiligo, but what about his half a dozen nose jobs (anyone that thinks he still only had 2 nose jobs is living in La La Land, he had 2 nose jobs by Thriller) What about the hole in his chin? What about his lips, check circa 2001? And although I know he naturally has big eyes, they are naturally almond shaped, now they just look permanetly open as if he finds it hard to blink.

What about hiring a white woman to have at least two, completely, white, looking children? I am not going to talk about the third child because I am not quite sure but I doubt his mother is black?

Michael has serious issues about his heritage, it's there for everyone to see, that's why the vitiligo story is just too damn convenient for me to accept.

whatsgoingon said:

to your whole post
[Edited 8/17/07 0:31am]

fluid said:

Ima try 2 say this as nice as I can...the fuck are you talkin bout dude?!?!?
Janet has admitted 2 being pudgy.Shes not pudgy now...no shit.Shes bangin!She was bangin even when she was pudgy.She admitted to having weight problems...get over yourself.And Michael...what the hell?!?!?Michael has always been skinny. we arent even on that shit
...I bet you didnt know Prince's management made him use dark makeup to appeal to a more R&B aka Black audience.Prince is light as hell and always has been.Ill give you he used the wrong color makeup sometimes but I highly doubt hes bleached his skin!
PUDGY
SKINNY
LIGHT AS HELL

Why, why, why, why, why, why???? Another stupid useless MJ thread????

He had 4561474713542168861352 surgeries!!! Get over it!!!

PleasurePrinciple said:

This post is not directed at you but in response to your comment about "bleaching...skin." I know you have stated that you believe MJ has vitiligo, so the comments below should not surprise you or are directed at you but to those who have doubts.




I understand how some can interpret his (MJ) actions with regards to his face as wanting to be white, but I have to interject that it is impossible to bleach your skin without suffering the consequences of having that much toxin in your body -- meaning if MJ bleached his skin, he would have died over a decade ago. Ask any dermatologist.

Whatever he has to done to his face (nose, eyes, chin, cheekbones, hair, etc.), his skin problem is due to vitiligo -- not bleaching his skin, which again is impossible to continue for more than several weeks without going six feet under -- I think that is the American expression. And after reading this if there remains those who doubt this, check out the court documents. A dermatologist testified under oath that MJ has vitiligo.

And as for how he has chosen to treat his disease, due to personal experience I know that some people decide to continue putting on dark makeup to cover up the white spots, and others due to the development of the disease and the inconvenience of having to go through hours of makeup, choose to put on white makeup to cover the few black spots that are left.

I cannot believe there are those who remain doubtful of his having vitiligo.

And with this being said, I leave this idiotic thread.

Rodya24 said:

you so know what youre talking about
My grandmother told me that if he really did "bleach" his skin his liver would have been given out.And Ive never heard of "bleaching" the skin turning someone totally white and if so that fast?wtf?From what I was told this "skin bleach" would lighten the skin not WHITEN.And if thats the case there would be tons of white lookin African Americans walking around.I also had someone in my family who had vitiligo.Now he turned completely white.Not because of "bleach" but becaus eof a treatment that I believe Michael had done that speeds up the process of the disease...which gets rid of all the pigmentation,so you look like youre one color.I still dont believe that if he went thru the process he went thru it to look "completely" white.I think he just did not want the blotchy look that the disease gives you.
But like you said,the thing that makes me think he wanted 2 look white was the surgeries to get a more European look.The thinned out lips,widened eyes,and the nose.And then if that wasnt enough...his children.Id really like to leave them out but ummm its hard to when they look pure white.And he does say that they are his biological kids...okay,well why in te hell did he bleach his oldest son's hair?!?!?I love MJ but WTF?seriously?!?!?And please no1 tell me that thats that boy's natural hair color cuz its 2 obvious that its not!
what is up?!?!

PleasurePrinciple said:

walks back into thread

As for his two eldest children, I have no idea if either of them are his biological child. But as for "Blanket," I am sure that he is his child, since he looks too much like MJ when he was younger. I am unclear how I feel about MJ claiming the two eldest as his biological children if that is not the case....

But in the end, the fact that he is regarded as a good father is all that matters. I cannot imagine what it must be like calling Michael Jackson "Dad". How people talk about him, it often seems that he is larger than life. Soon, his children will read about the things that others have accused him of (abandoning his heritage, molesting children, etc.), so I do not want to participate in the controversies in his personal life that MJ has gone through and continues to go through. The things that others have said about their father must be hurtful. All three chilren are, after all, human and have feelings like the rest of us.

Like you said in a previous post, I cannot imagine that his cosmetic surgeries are due to racial insecurities alone, but also due to an addiction to plastic surgery -- his older sister seems to be a similar victim. But I suppose none of us will ever know for sure what the real reasons are, since it is the one subject that he shuns.

But I never became a fan in the first place because of what he looks like, but because of his music. I am sure you feel the same way, since you continue to be a fan of the Jacksons.
[Edited 8/17/07 2:08am]

PleasurePrinciple said:

I need a pic of a nail & a coffin

CalhounSq said:

please dont encourage me.