Giovanni777 said:

Exactly. The state of being consist of involves channels ones own energy to create per se. Whereas with emulating/copying, this energy being used is different because it dosen't fully reflect ones own creativity level.

MsLegs said:

I like U. Not 2 many people get that.
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IMagine this: Without Elvis and the path he struck in the music world, there would BE no Beatles, no James Brown, and yes, no MJ, at least not on the magnitude we know them. Elvis was the guy who put pop/rock music that wasn't jazz into the mainstream and made it possible for a rock star to be in movies, to be on tv, in the news at all times, etc. In other words, he WAS the first rock star.

As for what black artists the Beatles influenced, pretty much any pop artists who writes their own songs. Before them, most artists had their material written by other people, and it was the Beatles who made it the de rigeur for artists to write their own tunes. I'm sure there were others doing it, but they made it the thing to do.

Giovanni777 said:

See from my viewpoint the 50's pop music was horrible.
A lot of novelty songs. It seemed the bad outweighed the good.
And the 70's - sheesh don't get me started. I found the current music scene in 1977 so bad I stopped listening to most of it & delved in 1920's, 1930's & 1940's music. I got over it but it took awhile.
And thats the difference between peoples taste - your best decades are my least favorites.

thedoorkeeper said:

Holdup.

What is Pop? No matter how U define it, there was still a lot of good stuff in the '50s and the '70s. How can U discount the '70s?? Funk, Soul, and R&B had their best years in the '70s. By saying that, U R saying U don't like Stevie Wonder.

I also dig the '20s, '30s, and '40s music. I'm a jazz freak.

We R now living in the worst decade of American music. Care 2 argue that?

Giovanni777 said:

Every decade has some good music.
The amount of 1970's good music far outweighs 1950's good music. In my opinion.

My deal with the 70's is I lived thru them. It wasn't that fun a decade.
By the mid-70's things were not great. Soul & R&B were taking a pounding from disco. Rock was either going corporate or dying & struggling to embrace punk. C&W was on an upswing. Novelty music had made a resurgance. MTV was years away.
Sure I love Stevie Wonder - but divide his music into before 1975 & after 1975 - which 5 years output is better?



Oh god no - things are dismal these days. All glimmer of hope I saw during the 90's has not materialized.

guitarslinger44 said:

I though it was Chuck Berry who lead the path to rock music!

DarkSideOfBeauty said:

Yes he was. He and Little Richard. And Little Richard was in the news, on TV, just not in America. He was huge in Europe.
And about the Beatles influence in song writing, aw don't make me laugh. Little Richard wrote all of his songs; also Chuck Berry, Also James Brown and Sam Cook, and on and on and on. Both Elvis AND the Beatles got everything from black stars. Don't get it twisted.

The holy trinity of rock & roll has always been Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley and Little Richard.

mrsnet said:

That's right,I forgot about Little Richard! Thanks for bringing him up!

Timmy84 said:

Well,


Actually, it was the blues


Muddy Waters help laid the foundation

Little Richard said it best:

The blues gave birth to a baby and called it rock n roll

Dayuumm


I said I was gonna avoided this topic

okay....

after this and i'm done


White society accepted Elvis, because they didn't want their daughters creamin and yearnin for no black entertainer..simply put.

Sam Phillips himself stated that if he can find a white man that sings like a black man, he'll be a millionaire....


okay...i'm done



darn Elvis

EmbattledWarrior said:

EmbattledWarrior Please Please Please (as the Godfather said) tell me what songs Elvis wrote? I thought he only COwrote 'Blue Suede Shoes"(with emphasizes on CO, cause he probably had soo little imput). And IF (a big "IF", cause I do NOT believe everything in print) Jackie WIlson ( who I love and admire) said that Blacks were INFLUENCED by Elvis, he was either on an incredible 'high', or his slave mentality was kicking in. Elvis copied Jackie like a motha! Period! Elvis Got EVERYTHING from Blacks. And then he got all the Glory for THEIR creativity.
And the diff. between Elvis' fame and MJ's is Michael appealed to ALL AGES. Let's forget the diff. races, ethnicities, cultures (because of the diff. in time periods). Only teen- agers loved Elvis. MJ fans were ranged from 3 to 83.
And what instruments did Elvis play except that lame plucking of that guitar. And you do know he didn't play it like the purple one don't you?

funkpill said:

True enough. Rock n Roll is the a product of the Blues.

funkpill said:

Giovanni777 said:

MsLegs said:

funkpill said:

And for those that haven't did their homework Pill, we have to let them know that Sam Phillips was over Sun Records.

Great performer, dancer, and song writer.
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TotalAlisa said:

You kill me.

MsLegs said:

that's right


To make a statement like that, says alot about black culture...

funkpill said:

Some aren't aware that Sun not only signed Elvis but alot of R & B greats as well. School's In Pill.

MsLegs said:

There you go!!!

Little Milton was one of em'

funkpill said:

Dig it. Before Malaco Records, he was on Sun. Let's school'em so more.

MsLegs said:

Sun

Stax

Then Malaco


I think Ike Turner was on there too for a minute

funkpill said:

True. If I am not mistaken, he may have released his hit single Rocket 88 on that label.

mrsnet said:

These are the exact sentiments I mentioned..way back at the beginning of the thread. No Elvis did not write most of his songs. Neither did Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, The Temptations, Frank Sinatra, Gladys Knight, or Nat king Cole,
just to name some of the dozens of great singers out there. Neither did (God, I hate to say this...) Michael Jackson, for most of his career. Elvis was an amazing vocalist, one of the all time greats. And to fault his guitar playing is like faulting Jeff Beck for being a lousy singer.
As somebody said in the thread.. dead 30 years, and still stirring people up ! If that's not greatness, than I don't know what is (LOL !!)

thedoorkeeper said:

Do yourself one favor.. look for a box set on Rhino records called
"Loud, Fast, and out of Control". It's 4 CDs of great Rock and Roll from the 1950s, featuring everyone from Elvis (natch), Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, and Jerry lee Lewis to no-hit wonders. After a listen, you'll have a new perspctive on the 1950s