TotalAlisa said:

I don't like Elvis but i will always give credit when its due
he was one of the first cats to bring black music to the mainstream, fusing rock & roll with country
The first artist brave enough to break the prudency barrier in music and pop culture
He broke the doo wop stigma and started swiveling his hips like his black influencers, becoming one of the first Sex Symbols in america
He was indeed the quitessential performer, even the great Jackie Wilson admits black entertainers followed in elvis's footsteps
He wrote his own songs which were hits, played several instruments, and in the latterday of his career began producing his own albums,

I don't like Elvis, but music would not be the same without him,
Without Elvis, no Jackie Wilson, and quite possibly no Michael Jackson
the man gets my props
[Edited 8/12/07 17:17pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

im not saying i don't give credit to elvis.. im just saying how is elvis greater then michael....?????

he probably the first to bring black music to mainstream because he was not black

TotalAlisa said:

But hey he brought it out and thats all that matters.
you can't blame him because he's white, or you're just as racist as the folks who bought his albums in those times.

unburying my post
[Edited 8/12/07 18:25pm]

EmbattledWarrior said:

im not blaming him for being white... your crazy...
i think elvis is so cute....

but im saying im NOT impressed by what he did.. during his time... black artist never got the credit they deserved... so of course its not a surprised a white artist brought black music to mainstream... im not impressed.... thats how things were back then....

people love to bring the racist card up... but its not about being racist... its the truth...

TotalAlisa said:

Than your problem isn't with elvis
it's with American Culture
so point your guns at John Hammond and Clive Davis
Leave Elvis alone

EmbattledWarrior said:

lololololololol who are those people... i think i know who clive davis is...

my problem is people giving credit to elvis when it goes to MJ....
MJ actually earned what he got... elvis was just given that title...
if his old music was that great... why at one point in his life people didn't even recognize him when he walked down the street.....

so what makes him special... other then he helped blacks music:-o
[Edited 8/12/07 17:35pm]

JesseDezz said:

Precisely. You've presented the million dollar questions JD.

TotalAlisa said:

You not knowing them, means you're input is irrelvent to this discussion.
Cause you know nothing about music history girl,
i suggest to heed the others advice, and stop talking about things you don't know about.

Cause outside of your opinion. Michael Jackson is not the be all to music history.
He's good but he aint that good.
Michael Jackson might also be the catalyst to why music is horrible these days.
Michael iis the video king and and because of him and a few other 80's icons, Looks became superior to talent.
but im done skoolin for the day
this aint Music History 101,
i suggest get to reading before you let the idiot wind encircle and represent yourself.
You seem to be smart, get off of Mj's dick, and go study. I mean if you're that interested...
You obviously are...
I know a few books...

EmbattledWarrior said:

I am willing to listen to old music... but only if its good.... the only time I know about an older artist is if they are great....

calling me an idiot... because i don't know clive davis.. is taking things a little to far... and makes you look crazed..... I know he worked with whitney houston.... and he's old and bald.... but as far as that making me look like an Idiot.. I DON'T THINK SO.... maybe ignorant to old boring artist like him and elvis


and again how is elvis so great... how did he have an impact on the world... and why hasn't his "impact" influence people today....


you are proving my whole point... elvis must not be that great.. because so many people in my generation and across the world don't really know anything about this guy....
how is he that great.... if young people like me... can't take interest in him...
[Edited 8/12/07 18:15pm]

TotalAlisa said:

To TotalAlisa: Clive Davis a record producer and executive, and one responsible for the success of Whitney Houton among others -- as you already know.

And yes, I agree with you that Michael Jackosn has had much more of an impact across races, nationalities, and cultures than Elvis Presley. You do not need to take a worldwide poll to figure out who is more well-known and influential. It is that obvious. But the latter was also a great singer and performer -- two things that none of us can deny. Is he overrated? Perhaps. Is Michael Jackson overrated? Perhaps by his fanbase. I cannot say he is by the media, since he is no longer their darling. In fact, I would argue that he is underrated, but let us not go there.

As for MJ, Madonna (and even Prince), and others of the MTV era being responsible for the emphasis of looks over talent. Perhaps. Perhaps not. I do not want to give them that much credit.
[Edited 8/12/07 18:24pm]

Rodya24 said:

Thank you for being reasonable with me...

TotalAlisa said:

Didn't call you an idiot, i said Idiot Wind, their is a difference, of course you wouldn't know that

TotalAlisa said:

Steal hound dog from big mama thornton!

phunkdaddy said:

If she got paid, than it wasn't stolen

EmbattledWarrior said:

then what is an idiot wind... Im sorry im not familar with OLd people terminology...

TotalAlisa said:

i aint old, least physically, mentally im probably a methuselah
but im younger than you girl

EmbattledWarrior said:

then you are around a lot of older people....

I feel young because i look young...

This thread has turned hilarious.

Rodya24 said:

least i helped acomplish that
[Edited 8/12/07 19:48pm]

sosgemini said:

Not even a good 10 post into a thread about Elvis and there is a MJ mention. The stans once again hijacking threads. It's beyond ridiculous.
[Edited 8/12/07 20:32pm]

PurpleCharm said:

sorry guys... Im not an elvis hater... I think he was more of a stud... then an entertainer.... would he be that famous if he wasn't that good looking...
i think his looks have a lot to do with his success.... my mom said she never thought of elvis as real legend... she just thought he was a good looking man... who made a few movies and songs

PurpleCharm said:

only because they dont understand how it all is interconnected, and just ask them to watch the news this thurs and see what they talk about.
[Edited 8/12/07 21:05pm]

Since the 1950s, the impact on American and world culture of Elvis Presley - singer and music icon has been recognized.

According to Rolling Stone Magazine, "it was Elvis who made rock 'n' roll the international language of pop." A PBS documentary described Presley as "an American music giant of the 20th century who single-handedly changed the course of music and culture in the mid-1950s."[1] His recordings, dance moves, attitude and clothing came to be seen as embodiments of rock and roll. His music was heavily influenced by African-American blues, Christian gospel, and Southern country.

Presley sang both hard driving rockabilly, rock and roll dance songs and ballads, laying a commercial foundation upon which other rock musicians would build their careers. African-American performers like Little Richard, Fats Domino, and Chuck Berry came to national prominence after Presley's acceptance among mass audiences of White American teenagers. Singers like Jerry Lee Lewis, the Everly Brothers, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison and others immediately followed in his wake. John Lennon later observed, "Before Elvis, there was nothing."

elvis was *it* for many generations...was he as big (or bigger) then mj? hell yeah...but the media market was totally different. does that take away from mj? hell no.

will there ever be another elvis, mj, madonna, bruce, beatles or even prince? not with today's multi-media platform all fighting for individuals attention and money.

i have never been an elvis fan...my mum used to make my brother and i watch his movies on sunday afternoons (sunday's were family days...well, they were my mom's day to make us clean and watch elvis movies) and the excitement and pleasure my mum and her generation got from elvis is comparable to that of mj's and others from the 80's.

am i going to dismiss elvis' legacy because of political correctness or out of my own fandom for the artist *i* appreciate? nope.

Again TotalAlisa, you really don't get the gist of what I was posting. Ah, the ignorance of some - I said some - youth...

As I said before, you can't speak for a race. This goes beyond some defense about Michael Jackson. When you're trying to make a point, unless you have CONCRETE evidence, you cannot make a generalization - especially about a race of people - without backing it up. But you're in such a rush to defend your Michael Jackson fixation you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

I don't expect you to understand where I'm coming from, though...

JesseDezz said: