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PrintableRodya24 said: JackieBlue said: Okay, Dag, I have a hard time understanding you here because on the one hand you’re saying you haven’t seen Madonna artistically fighting for anything but yet she was at Live Aid and World Aid or whatever and she’s been involved in doing stuff for Africa long before she attempted to adopt David. So are you saying that because she doesn’t record songs like Heal the World that she doesn’t care? I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Even if she doesn’t sing about it she’s certainly spoken to various topics concerning global plight. But I digress…the fact that Madonna does do these fund and awareness raising concerts make me like her more. The fact that she’ll do MTV or a Gap ad or show up at a party makes me like her more because I don’t feel that she’s so far removed as an icon that she won’t emerge to be seen by or mix with the general public. Michael records songs and he has done quite a bit away from music to show that he cares. One difference is, a lot of his efforts don’t go over so well for one reason or another. Anyone can write a song and sing about the earth and I’m certainly not trying to disregard those recordings but it’s another thing to get out there and do. They’ve both done it on some level in their own way. Would you say Prince is everywhere? He may not do the global concerts but he does small gigs, throws parties, tours, goes to ball games and fashion shows. He’s sorta ‘everywhere’ too. Why is that a bad thing? [Edited 8/10/07 11:46am] Well, MJ has supported A LOT of charities -- at least according to Wikipedia, which could be wrong. Meaning that he has donated millions outside of his attempts to recreate the success of the single "We Are The World." Just because his donations are not reported by mainstream media does not mean that he is limited to songs such as "Heal The World." Yep, some ppl that he gave money to didn´t even know who it came from. I´ve heard many stories like that from different ppl. He´s given an unbelievable amount to charities. One year, Guiness listed him as an person who has given the most money to charity. I can´t remember the amount, but Beyonce said it at the last WMA´s and it was mind-blowing. And what a lot of ppl don´t know, he´s also been nominated for Nobel Piece award. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: Well, it wouldn´t look good if he danced ballet, Tango or Waltz to Scream or Smooth Criminal, you know.  He just not "re-inventive" enough.He could challange himself and do differnt arrangements of the songs with differnt cheorography instead of doing the same thing. oh i added clips to my post. He tried to, but it didn´t happen. I´ve seen clips of his rehearsal with Marcel Marceau for Childhood and it looked fantastic. The show was cancelled because Mike collapsed during the rehearsal and was hospitalized (it was during his divorce with LMP) and it never happened again. I still dream that he would do it one day. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Timmy84 said: Rodya24 said: I am not denying the impact of Off The Wall at all. I am just arguing that it was with Thriller, and the Bad, Dangerous, HIStory tours, that he reached as many different nationalities and cultures as he was able to. So, perhaps, I should rephrase my argument one more time (my god, I am horrible at online discussions -- my apologies), Michael Jackson became a global icon due to the success he enjoyed with The Jackson 5, The Jacksons, and Off The Wall. It was with Thriller and the subsequent solo world tours that followed that he became -- undeniably -- the most famous entertainer in the world. Of course, if this was VH1 or something, I would add: "with horrible consequences for his personal life and music." LOL. But it all started with the Jackson 5 though. Sure "Thriller" confirmed it but it all started with the Jackson 5. He's been a worldwide figure since 1970. But it's just now when people report about him, it's not about his music anymore BUT he still attracted audiences over a 27-year period. In that sense he's always been big though. That's why I hate it when no one talks about his overall impact. It's only just through "Thriller" onwards. But I still think he has always been a "big deal" all over the world. His tours just expanded the process.Exactly. That is why I think Thriller was so phenomenal. It transformed an already HUGE star into an even HUGER star. And yes, it all started with The Jackson 5. Like I said previously (oh, several posts ago), his work with The Jackson 5 and The Jacksons remains overshadowed by his solo career at Epic. But, I also do not want to downplay the importance of his post-Thriller music to many people around the world. While many who grew up with MJ and his brothers are disappointed with what he has become, physically and musically, there are many who still see him as relevant to modern popular music not just for his pre-Bad music and performance. [Edited 8/10/07 12:41pm] | |
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Rodya24 said: JackieBlue said: Okay, Dag, I have a hard time understanding you here because on the one hand you’re saying you haven’t seen Madonna artistically fighting for anything but yet she was at Live Aid and World Aid or whatever and she’s been involved in doing stuff for Africa long before she attempted to adopt David. So are you saying that because she doesn’t record songs like Heal the World that she doesn’t care? I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. Even if she doesn’t sing about it she’s certainly spoken to various topics concerning global plight. But I digress…the fact that Madonna does do these fund and awareness raising concerts make me like her more. The fact that she’ll do MTV or a Gap ad or show up at a party makes me like her more because I don’t feel that she’s so far removed as an icon that she won’t emerge to be seen by or mix with the general public. Michael records songs and he has done quite a bit away from music to show that he cares. One difference is, a lot of his efforts don’t go over so well for one reason or another. Anyone can write a song and sing about the earth and I’m certainly not trying to disregard those recordings but it’s another thing to get out there and do. They’ve both done it on some level in their own way. Would you say Prince is everywhere? He may not do the global concerts but he does small gigs, throws parties, tours, goes to ball games and fashion shows. He’s sorta ‘everywhere’ too. Why is that a bad thing? [Edited 8/10/07 11:46am] Well, MJ has supported A LOT of charities -- at least according to Wikipedia, which could be wrong. Meaning that he has donated millions outside of his attempts to recreate the success of the single "We Are The World." Just because his donations are not reported by mainstream media does not mean that he is limited to songs such as "Heal The World." I didn’t say anything about MJ not supporting. As an old school and former die-hard, I know about his humanitarian efforts. My point to Dag was specifically that Madonna may not record conscious songs the way MJ does but does support causes and is conscious outside of making appearances at global events. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Rodya24 said: Well, MJ has supported A LOT of charities -- at least according to Wikipedia, which could be wrong. Meaning that he has donated millions outside of his attempts to recreate the success of the single "We Are The World." Just because his donations are not reported by mainstream media does not mean that he is limited to songs such as "Heal The World." I didn’t say anything about MJ not supporting. As an old school and former die-hard, I know about his humanitarian efforts. My point to Dag was specifically that Madonna may not record conscious songs the way MJ does but does support causes and is conscious outside of making appearances at global events. Okay, I gotcha!  | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: He could challange himself and do differnt arrangements of the songs with differnt cheorography instead of doing the same thing. oh i added clips to my post. He tried to, but it didn´t happen. I´ve seen clips of his rehearsal with Marcel Marceau for Childhood and it looked fantastic. The show was cancelled because Mike collapsed during the rehearsal and was hospitalized (it was during his divorce with LMP) and it never happened again. I still dream that he would do it one day. he could have on the HIStory tour You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Rodya24 said: JackieBlue said: I didn’t say anything about MJ not supporting. As an old school and former die-hard, I know about his humanitarian efforts. My point to Dag was specifically that Madonna may not record conscious songs the way MJ does but does support causes and is conscious outside of making appearances at global events. Okay, I gotcha!  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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cream72 said: Cinnamon234 said:  Funniest thing I've heard all day. MJ's last album (Invincible) still sold more in the U.S. than "Confessions" did and sold about the same as she did worlwide based only one single. Also his greatest hits album sold 7.5 million world wide and that was released after the trial. I'd say MJ still does pretty good in the sales department considering what a shitty image he has. Overall though, both MJ & Madonna have big fan bases esp. outside of America and Madonna are pretty much equal in the sales department these days.
...But I love how Madonna fans go on about her longevity in the business and tend to forget that Michael Jackson has been in the entertainment business since he was a child. He's been famous a lot longer than Madonna has so I really don't know what you're talking about. [Edited 8/9/07 22:28pm] if your talking about the hits released after being cleared of child abuse (Cough Cough) i read today that it only sold 8000 copies in its first week in the US only peaking at 152 on billboards chart so i love to know how many its sold outside the US  Are you talking about Visionary: The Video Singles? Of course, it would not sell well, since it was directed at hardcore fans, considering that it costs a hell of a lot of money ($149.99 according to Amazon.com). The hits were released in Europe (by which I mean, they were released to radio), and did well in the UK, and incredibly well in Spain where MJ dominated the Top 20 for quite some time in 2006 (and scored several number ones). And then afterwards the singles were repackaged and sold along with the DVDs for the corresponding music videos. If you are not talking about Visionary, but The Essential Michael Jackson issued by Sony at the end of his trial, it sold very well outside of the US. I am not quite sure of the number, but certainly more than 8000 copies. | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: He tried to, but it didn´t happen. I´ve seen clips of his rehearsal with Marcel Marceau for Childhood and it looked fantastic. The show was cancelled because Mike collapsed during the rehearsal and was hospitalized (it was during his divorce with LMP) and it never happened again. I still dream that he would do it one day. he could have on the HIStory tour He could have, you´re right. I don´t know how much he really needed Marceau for it to happen, but he could have. I guess the song Childhood just has not been as succesful commercially to include it in the show. I don´t know what are the criteria accroding to which he chooses what he´s gonna play. But Mike, DAMN DO IT!!!! [Edited 8/10/07 12:55pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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alphastreet said: EWWW THE PONYTAIL!!!!! La Isla Bontia Girlie Show http://www.youtube.com/wa...wSsEcs2eVQ Erotica Confessions Tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...C1w9qNLF34 i don't understand why MJ's fans say she isn't a great dancer. when all you have to do is some digging to find great performances You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: alphastreet said: EWWW THE PONYTAIL!!!!! La Isla Bontia Girlie Show http://www.youtube.com/wa...wSsEcs2eVQ Erotica Confessions Tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...C1w9qNLF34 i don't understand why MJ's fans say she isn't a great dancer. when all you have to do is some digging to find great performances I said she is a great dancer! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: he could have on the HIStory tour He could have, you´re right. I don´t know how much he really needed Marceau for it to happen, but he could have. I guess the song Childhood just has not been as succesful commercially to include it in the show. I don´t know what are the criteria accroding to which he chooses what he´s gonna play. But Mike, DAMN DO IT!!!! [Edited 8/10/07 12:55pm] One major reason I do think MJ is overrated as a performer is he's been doing the same show for nearly 30 years. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: He could have, you´re right. I don´t know how much he really needed Marceau for it to happen, but he could have. I guess the song Childhood just has not been as succesful commercially to include it in the show. I don´t know what are the criteria accroding to which he chooses what he´s gonna play. But Mike, DAMN DO IT!!!! [Edited 8/10/07 12:55pm] One major reason I do think MJ is overrated as a performer is he's been doing the same show for nearly 30 years. well, he has, but if you dig the old J5 stuff etc, you´ll see incredible versatility as well. Hey, I just remembered. The movie The Wiz, for example, was a bit different from what he usually does. [Edited 8/10/07 13:10pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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ehuffnsd said: dag said: He could have, you´re right. I don´t know how much he really needed Marceau for it to happen, but he could have. I guess the song Childhood just has not been as succesful commercially to include it in the show. I don´t know what are the criteria accroding to which he chooses what he´s gonna play. But Mike, DAMN DO IT!!!! [Edited 8/10/07 12:55pm] One major reason I do think MJ is overrated as a performer is he's been doing the same show for nearly 30 years. Yes, like I said in a previous post, one could make the strong argument that ever since the Bad tour, there has been little to no innovation in his concerts. But IMO there is more to being a phenomenal performer than having different concepts and dancing for the sake of having a different show. In the case of MJ, his singing and dancing from The Jackson 5 era (circa 1968 to 1976) remains wonderful to watch. So much practice went to it, but at the same time it seems spontaneous and full of joy. And from the clips that I have seen of his concerts with his brothers (Destiny, Triumph, and Victory tours), wow! I think whatsgoingon will support me in my opinion that MJ was phenomenal during this time (talk about connecting to your audience!). And from what I have read, the Madion Square Garden performance (not the 2001 one) was wonderful as well. No one, not even Prince who I think rates as one of the all-time great live performers, was as accomplished a performer as MJ was from the late '70s to the late '80s. And the Dangerous tour. Yes, it was almost the same as the Bad tour. And yes, it irritates me that he mimes twenty percent of the time. But, look at the audience reaction! So much charisma and stage presence! And unlike the HIStory tour, there is still a level of spontenaity to his dancing. | |
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: One major reason I do think MJ is overrated as a performer is he's been doing the same show for nearly 30 years. Yes, like I said in a previous post, one could make the strong argument that ever since the Bad tour, there has been little to no innovation in his concerts. But IMO there is more to being a phenomenal performer than having different concepts and dancing for the sake of having a different show. In the case of MJ, his singing and dancing from The Jackson 5 era (circa 1968 to 1976) remains wonderful to watch. So much practice went to it, but at the same time it seems spontaneous and full of joy. And from the clips that I have seen of his concerts with his brothers (Destiny, Triumph, and Victory tours), wow! I think whatsgoingon will support me in my opinion that MJ was phenomenal during this time (talk about connecting to your audience!). And from what I have read, the Madion Square Garden performance (not the 2001 one) was wonderful as well. No one, not even Prince who I think rates as one of the all-time great live performers, was as accomplished a performer as MJ was from the late '70s to the late '80s. And the Dangerous tour. Yes, it was almost the same as the Bad tour. And yes, it irritates me that he mimes twenty percent of the time. But, look at the audience reaction! So much charisma and stage presence! And unlike the HIStory tour, there is still a level of spontenaity to his dancing. I gotta get some footage of his tours with the brothers. I haven´t seen any of Triumph, Destiny or Victory tours. There´s still so much that I don´t have. Ah... The last thing that blew me away was The Ghosts. The dance just took my breath away. Perfect, unbeliveable, never-seen before. [Edited 8/10/07 13:20pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Rodya24 said: ehuffnsd said: One major reason I do think MJ is overrated as a performer is he's been doing the same show for nearly 30 years. Yes, like I said in a previous post, one could make the strong argument that ever since the Bad tour, there has been little to no innovation in his concerts. But IMO there is more to being a phenomenal performer than having different concepts and dancing for the sake of having a different show. In the case of MJ, his singing and dancing from The Jackson 5 era (circa 1968 to 1976) remains wonderful to watch. So much practice went to it, but at the same time it seems spontaneous and full of joy. And from the clips that I have seen of his concerts with his brothers (Destiny, Triumph, and Victory tours), wow! I think whatsgoingon will support me in my opinion that MJ was phenomenal during this time (talk about connecting to your audience!). And from what I have read, the Madion Square Garden performance (not the 2001 one) was wonderful as well. No one, not even Prince who I think rates as one of the all-time great live performers, was as accomplished a performer as MJ was from the late '70s to the late '80s. And the Dangerous tour. Yes, it was almost the same as the Bad tour. And yes, it irritates me that he mimes twenty percent of the time. But, look at the audience reaction! So much charisma and stage presence! And unlike the HIStory tour, there is still a level of spontenaity to his dancing. i don't doubt his abilty or his talent, i just don't think he has been the great performer everyone claims since about the Bad Tour. From Blonde Ambition on Madge took it from just a concert to a performance art. All of her shows have carried some message and hidden meaning. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SoulAlive said:
To put things in perspective,let's look at where they are both at,right now: ***Madonna---getting ready to release a new CD in mid-November and launch another world tour next June....is considering a new record deal with LiveNation that will be worth $160 million....Warners has recently said that they will fight to keep her,which means that they too will offer her a generous deal to re-sign....getting ready to celebrate her 25th anniversary in the biz with a multi-disc box set next spring....MTV is planning a 2-hour Madonna special that celebrates her career,to air this fall...her last tour was the most successful tour ever,by a female artist. ***Michael Jackson---currently has no record deal....there is no release date for the new album....no tour plans....hasn't done a big tour in at least ten years.... When you think about it,Madonna really has nothing to prove.Her career is in great shape,considering how long she's been around.She doesn't have to "comeback" from a damaging scandal,or prove that she can still sellout arenas. The reason why Madonna is offered a $160 million deal is because that will guarantee Livenation's place as the tour promoter, and perhaps even give them the copyright to her new music, not because she's a great performer and musician... What it means that in addition to being a slave to her record company, she's also going to be bound to one concert promoter who can set the ticket prices to any level they desire. And getting that $160 million back from ticket sales alone would pretty much guarantee an extra $100 on the ticket prices for the next three tours! Michael Jackson on the other hand owns the copyrights to his own material, and can actually decide for himself what to release... Having no record deal isn't a problem (as Prince can probably verify), as the record sales are guaranteed to be millions anyway. He might not be as interested in touring as Madonna (and some of the audience wouldn't see him as a "hip" artist anyway), but that doesn't really matter from a musical point of view as his live vocals are just as "live" as Madonna's. 
It's true though that Madonna hasn't had a major scandal like MJ, but her career is littered with more or less severe lapses in judgement. Just one of the examples that springs to mind is that she released a book of naked photos in the early 90's, and is now suing an ex-boyfriend who is "damaging her reputation" by releasing naked photos from that ame period.  | |
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Rewi said: SoulAlive said:
To put things in perspective,let's look at where they are both at,right now: ***Madonna---getting ready to release a new CD in mid-November and launch another world tour next June....is considering a new record deal with LiveNation that will be worth $160 million....Warners has recently said that they will fight to keep her,which means that they too will offer her a generous deal to re-sign....getting ready to celebrate her 25th anniversary in the biz with a multi-disc box set next spring....MTV is planning a 2-hour Madonna special that celebrates her career,to air this fall...her last tour was the most successful tour ever,by a female artist. ***Michael Jackson---currently has no record deal....there is no release date for the new album....no tour plans....hasn't done a big tour in at least ten years.... When you think about it,Madonna really has nothing to prove.Her career is in great shape,considering how long she's been around.She doesn't have to "comeback" from a damaging scandal,or prove that she can still sellout arenas. The reason why Madonna is offered a $160 million deal is because that will guarantee Livenation's place as the tour promoter, and perhaps even give them the copyright to her new music, not because she's a great performer and musician... What it means that in addition to being a slave to her record company, she's also going to be bound to one concert promoter who can set the ticket prices to any level they desire. And getting that $160 million back from ticket sales alone would pretty much guarantee an extra $100 on the ticket prices for the next three tours! Michael Jackson on the other hand owns the copyrights to his own material, and can actually decide for himself what to release... Having no record deal isn't a problem (as Prince can probably verify), as the record sales are guaranteed to be millions anyway. He might not be as interested in touring as Madonna (and some of the audience wouldn't see him as a "hip" artist anyway), but that doesn't really matter from a musical point of view as his live vocals are just as "live" as Madonna's.
It's true though that Madonna hasn't had a major scandal like MJ, but her career is littered with more or less severe lapses in judgement. Just one of the examples that springs to mind is that she released a book of naked photos in the early 90's, and is now suing an ex-boyfriend who is "damaging her reputation" by releasing naked photos from that ame period. I can tell you've never seen Madge live, but she is live in performance. plus I don't see Madonna going in to a deal with out coming out with what she wants. and Madonna is sueing for invastion of pirvacy, because that particular set was intended for private use. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Rewi said: The reason why Madonna is offered a $160 million deal is because that will guarantee Livenation's place as the tour promoter, and perhaps even give them the copyright to her new music, not because she's a great performer and musician... What it means that in addition to being a slave to her record company, she's also going to be bound to one concert promoter who can set the ticket prices to any level they desire. And getting that $160 million back from ticket sales alone would pretty much guarantee an extra $100 on the ticket prices for the next three tours! Michael Jackson on the other hand owns the copyrights to his own material, and can actually decide for himself what to release... Having no record deal isn't a problem (as Prince can probably verify), as the record sales are guaranteed to be millions anyway. He might not be as interested in touring as Madonna (and some of the audience wouldn't see him as a "hip" artist anyway), but that doesn't really matter from a musical point of view as his live vocals are just as "live" as Madonna's.
It's true though that Madonna hasn't had a major scandal like MJ, but her career is littered with more or less severe lapses in judgement. Just one of the examples that springs to mind is that she released a book of naked photos in the early 90's, and is now suing an ex-boyfriend who is "damaging her reputation" by releasing naked photos from that ame period. I can tell you've never seen Madge live, but she is live in performance. plus I don't see Madonna going in to a deal with out coming out with what she wants. and Madonna is sueing for invastion of pirvacy, because that particular set was intended for private use. Well, I see nothing wrong with nude photos, but if they were for private use, then Madonna certainly should sue for invasion of privacy. But I think what separates the controversies surrounding Madonna and MJ is that while middle-class conservative America had an uproar during the Erotica era, it pales to the seriousness of the charages leveled at MJ in 1993 and 2005. While I have come to the conclusion that he is innocent after looking at the court documents, one would be delusional to think that the trial did not hurt his public image. Also, knowing Madonna to be a savvy business woman, I am sure she will get a great deal whether she signs with Livenation or resigns with Warner Brothers. And yes, I agree with you Rewi, not having a record deal does not mean much these days. The fact that MJ owns the copyrights to his own material gives him much more freedom than if it was otherwise. | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: EWWW THE PONYTAIL!!!!! La Isla Bontia Girlie Show http://www.youtube.com/wa...wSsEcs2eVQ Erotica Confessions Tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...C1w9qNLF34 i don't understand why MJ's fans say she isn't a great dancer. when all you have to do is some digging to find great performances I said she is a great dancer! She is good, but not that great. And for God sake she studied dance so she should at least be good. The fact that she studied dance makes her a professional dancer, moreso than Michael or any other artist out there. | |
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after having a quick glance did someone write that madonna is a good dancer!
. MJ is on another level. Comparing them in dance is embarassing. | |
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ehuffnsd said: alphastreet said: EWWW THE PONYTAIL!!!!! La Isla Bontia Girlie Show http://www.youtube.com/wa...wSsEcs2eVQ Erotica Confessions Tour http://www.youtube.com/wa...C1w9qNLF34 i don't understand why MJ's fans say she isn't a great dancer. when all you have to do is some digging to find great performances  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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kash said: after having a quick glance did someone write that madonna is a good dancer!
. MJ is on another level. Comparing them in dance is embarassing.I like them both. However, Madonna's dancing is superior to her other "skill":  [img]"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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I notice that the dismissers of Madonna and the Pro MJ brigade all tend to be American, just because Madonnas success has not been quite as big there as it has abroad.
The fact remains, Madonna, along with U2, at least commercially, are the only global brands still selling in general chart topping quantities. Madonna and U2 won the long race in their relative fields. You can't argue "MJ would" or "MJ will". The fact is, he didn't and he isnt. Prince took the alternative route. He dropped out of the race. And to some degree, so did Bruce. But lets not lose sight of the question. Who is more desperate for a hit? MJ or Madonna? Come on. One of them has had over 30 global number ones on the last 4 years, the other has had none. . | |
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MJ and Madonna should never be put on the same level. One is so superior to the other that it's not even funny. It's quite obvious who that person is.
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krayzie said: SquirrelMeat said: Well, Madonna is still reaching number one all over the world, selling out concerts everyewhere.
MJ could only dream of her success now. Out of the big 80s 4, MJ, Prince, Madonna and Bruce. Madonna won, The others did their own thing, but she was the only one to remain on top for 20 years. I strongly disagree with you... MJ has always been more popular than Madonna around the world. If MJ had managed his career and his life lik Madonna, he would outsell her easily.
Madonna in US is definitely behind the Usher, Timberlake, Beyonce, Fergie in USA. But you said it yourself. If MJ had done things different. But he didn't! The question is, whos more desperate for a hit. Madonna still has a hatful of them. MJ has none. So what do you strongly disagree with? That Madonna is not as big as modern acts? Anf MJ is doing better???? . | |
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SoulAlive said: tyrone25 said: I don't agree with this at all. Madonna's fan base did not send her last studio album to #1 in more countries than Thriller, Madonna's fan base did not make her last tour the highest grossing most successful tour by a female artist in history. MJ fans make the mistake of assuming Madonna is untalented, can't sing or dance and does not have any invlovement writing her songs. This is jealousy, you only have to spend 2 minutes reading a Madonna thread at a MJ forum to see MJ loons slam Madonna as a media darling and how unfair the media is to promote such an untalented slut and victimise poor Michael. At the end of the day, Madonna is the winner. She isn't a joke, she is not considered a risk to children, she is not an ugly terrible parody of her former self. The problem with MJ is he stopped being innovative after Thriller, everything else was a repeat, the repetitive dance moves, set lists, lip-synced tours, costumes, memo to Michael - it's not 1984. Take a chance and be innovative. MJ needs a hit much more than Madonna and by the time he bothers to actually release an album, just like last time when he worked with Darkchild who was cool in 1999 but not in 2001, the album will sound dated and behind the time. That's if he could be bothered doing anything other than stumbling around the world from one kind host to another. To put things in perspective,let's look at where they are both at,right now: ***Madonna---getting ready to release a new CD in mid-November and launch another world tour next June....is considering a new record deal with LiveNation that will be worth $160 million....Warners has recently said that they will fight to keep her,which means that they too will offer her a generous deal to re-sign....getting ready to celebrate her 25th anniversary in the biz with a multi-disc box set next spring....MTV is planning a 2-hour Madonna special that celebrates her career,to air this fall...her last tour was the most successful tour ever,by a female artist. ***Michael Jackson---currently has no record deal....there is no release date for the new album....no tour plans....hasn't done a big tour in at least ten years.... When you think about it,Madonna really has nothing to prove.Her career is in great shape,considering how long she's been around.She doesn't have to "comeback" from a damaging scandal,or prove that she can still sellout arenas. To take it in my own perspective there were three superstars in the 80's : Prince, MJ, Madonna Now, take off the hype, the media, the fame, the scandals, the choreographers and the mega producers behind etc... Without all that your Madonna ain't shit. Period
Without all that Prince : Great performer, dancer, singer, and Musician Without all that MJ : Great peformer/entertainer/dancer and AMAZING SINGER since he was a kid Without all that Madonna : She can't sing for saving her life, she can't dance, she can't do absolutely nothing Of course now we can talk about how Madonna sells records and how she's still a superstar But to me she's still nothing but a talenteless woman who can't sing whatsoever... Of course in my perspective... | |
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WildStyle said: MJ and Madonna should never be put on the same level. One is so superior to the other that it's not even funny. It's quite obvious who that person is.
Hee-hee! The one that keeps re-inventing and selling all over the world? . | |
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