Prince .... was duped by clive davis into releasing rave...

EmbattledWarrior said:

How was Prince duped into releasing Rave?

When we talk about selling out. We mean a person who was talking about one thing and doing another.
Prince wrote slave across his cheek, than was duped by clive davis into releasing rave...
thats a sell out no matter how you duisguise it
And im a working musician too
thats the difference
we aint talking about genre hopping, we're, or at least i'm talking about abandoning a cause you once believed in , but traded it in for fame and some more money.

EmbattledWarrior said:

Well, there's NO difference when it comes to me. Because I'm a working musician and have been for years. I was speaking on the term selling out that many folks label on an artist when they do exactly that; "genre hop". In the term that you're speaking on, then yeah, I can get down with that. P writting slave on his face was the dumbest ass thing a brother could have done. Not only was it highly offensive to past generations of our people who were actual slaves but it was also disrespectful. It made Prince himself look bad. It didn't hurt WB's or the industry at the slightest. So his striking out was all in vain. Many thought that P was selling out to cash in on the rap game when he started rapping. Maybe that was the case. Especially since he "claimed" to not even like rap. Like on the "Dead On It". Then he turns around and start rapping. That shit sounded the most natural on the cut "Gett Off", but that was about it. I think P's main reason to fuck with rap was to show other brothers that "hey ya'll, I can do this shit too!" type of thing. Everything is a compettion to P. At least it was. I think that was his motive. And too, to do something new. But many a folk called him a straight up sell out when he flirted with rap.

EmbattledWarrior said:

Well, there's NO difference when it comes to me. Because I'm a working musician and have been for years. I was speaking on the term selling out that many folks label on an artist when they do exactly that; "genre hop". In the term that you're speaking on, then yeah, I can get down with that. P writting slave on his face was the dumbest ass thing a brother could have done. Not only was it highly offensive to past generations of our people who were actual slaves but it was also disrespectful. It made Prince himself look bad. It didn't hurt WB's or the industry at the slightest. So his striking out was all in vain. Many thought that P was selling out to cash in on the rap game when he started rapping. Maybe that was the case. Especially since he "claimed" to not even like rap. Like on the "Dead On It". Then he turns around and start rapping. That shit sounded the most natural on the cut "Gett Off", but that was about it. I think P's main reason to fuck with rap was to show other brothers that "hey ya'll, I can do this shit too!" type of thing. Everything is a compettion to P. At least it was. I think that was his motive. And too, to do something new. But many a folk called him a straight up sell out when he flirted with rap.

Well, there's NO difference when it comes to me. Because I'm a working musician and have been for years. I was speaking on the term selling out that many folks label on an artist when they do exactly that; "genre hop". In the term that you're speaking on, then yeah, I can get down with that.

P writting slave on his face was the dumbest ass thing a brother could have done. Not only was it highly offensive to past generations of our people who were actual slaves but it was also disrespectful. It made Prince himself look bad. It didn't hurt WB's or the industry at the slightest. So his striking out was all in vain.

Many thought that P was selling out to cash in on the rap game when he started rapping. Maybe that was the case. Especially since he "claimed" to not even like rap. Like on the "Dead On It". Then he turns around and start rapping. That shit sounded the most natural on the cut "Gett Off", but that was about it. I think P's main reason to fuck with rap was to show other brothers that "hey ya'll, I can do this shit too!" type of thing. Everything is a compettion to P. At least it was. I think that was his motive.

There is no such thing as "selling out". This is a business. And you're in the biz to sell. It's no different than a clothing store. It's a product for the masses to buy. And who's to say what any artists, especially black, may want to do? What road they may want to take, on a creative level? It's there freedom, as an artist, to do whatever it is they want to do at that stage. If you're not in their shoes at that time, then no one is able to speak on their situation. Sometimes it may not be all about the money. Maybe a black artist may want to try his hand at a different genre. Maybe he's always dug that genre all along but was finally able to do it. See, if u don't know these artists personally, then no one can speak on it. If it's in a brother's heart to do and play rock, I mean, that's TRULY his or her thang, is he or she "selling out"? No, cuz their being true to what it is they want to do. Just because a black artist doesn't do the typical r&b or rap/hip hop genre, doesn't mean their selling out. Or if he ventures into a style of music that that differed from what he became known for, same thing. He may have always dug that style and finally had the chance to do it. It's all about freedom and having the chance to do WHATEVER it is YOU, the artist, wants to do. The ONLY obligation an artist has to his or her fans, is to put out quality product. And to do the best he or she can. That's the only obligation. If a fan can't get with a new direction a certain artist is going, then get to stepping. You're just not digging where they are right now. Fine. But it's still the artist right to do what he or she feels, if they have the bread to do it. U don't know or have ever known or will ever get to know the artist on a personal level, so buy what it is u dig. If u don't dig it, then don't buy it. But don't look to that artist or band to save your life. Their people, just like u. Their gonna die one day, just like u. We all better do what we want to do when we have the chance in this life. It's no different for them.

I think P's main reason to fuck with rap was to show other brothers that "hey ya'll, I can do this shit too!" type of thing. But many a folk called him a straight up sell out when he flirted with rap.

So whats the difference between bringing new elements
into your music & selling out?
Seems like a mighty fine line.