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Reply #60 posted 08/09/07 11:47am

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Lothan said:

Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.
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Reply #61 posted 08/09/07 11:48am

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But that's exactly what a comeback is in this case: A resurgence/rise of an artist to the masses.

Undergrounders know the artist but the mass population doesn't.

Hell, I just saw him on ESPN the other day rapping! lol

He's got movie deals now. THAT'S a ressurection of a career. (Maybe he should have dropped THAT album now huh? wink )
Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.


The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.
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Reply #62 posted 08/09/07 11:49am

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Lothan said:

Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.
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Exactamundo. That was mainstream before he dropped "Resurrection."
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Reply #63 posted 08/09/07 11:52am

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Exactamundo. That was mainstream before he dropped "Resurrection."



Resurrection?.... Mainstream? heyul nah.... "Book of Life" is far from a mainstream cut nor is that album.... its a classic in my eyes
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Reply #64 posted 08/09/07 11:52am

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Lothan said:

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But that's exactly what a comeback is in this case: A resurgence/rise of an artist to the masses.

Undergrounders know the artist but the mass population doesn't.

Hell, I just saw him on ESPN the other day rapping! lol

He's got movie deals now. THAT'S a ressurection of a career. (Maybe he should have dropped THAT album now huh? wink )
Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.


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Reply #65 posted 08/09/07 11:56am

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Lothan said:

Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.


The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.


The feud with Com definitely gave him some shine and got him some play on Rap City and Video Vibrations. But if you asked anyone who got their hip-hop from MTV (mass appeal) about the beef with Common, they'd be like "Who?"
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Reply #66 posted 08/09/07 11:57am

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Lothan said:

Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.


The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.
Limelight? A little. Did not translate to sales. Mainstream? Hell no. Unfortunately, it was his single The Light, that brought him into popularity. Hopefully, it brought new fans for him.
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Reply #67 posted 08/09/07 11:57am

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Lothan said:

Common did not start off popular, go underground and then do a resurgence or ressurection. Hell, if he were truly popular now, this last album surely would have sold more than 150K+.


You tell 'em Lothan, baby cool cool cool biggrin biggrin biggrin razz razz razz eek eek eek eek eek


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Reply #68 posted 08/09/07 12:00pm

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The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.


The feud with Com definitely gave him some shine and got him some play on Rap City and Video Vibrations. But if you asked anyone who got their hip-hop from MTV (mass appeal) about the beef with Common, they'd be like "Who?"
Yep.

No disrespect, Mutha, but I ge the sense that you are a true hip-hop head and to those of us who truly are, yeah, maybe Common was up there for a minute and appeared to fall off the radar. I'm in Chicago though, and we'd hear him all the time.
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Reply #69 posted 08/09/07 12:06pm

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I never thought Common Sense went anywhere. I always considered him an undeground artist that has slowly gained mainstream attention. Therefore, I don't think there was a "comeback"
[Edited 8/9/07 11:23am]

But that's just it, he started off Overground (lol) and then his fame went underground and now it's above ground once again and it hasn't been higher.

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Reply #70 posted 08/09/07 12:16pm

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Exactamundo. That was mainstream before he dropped "Resurrection."



Resurrection?.... Mainstream? heyul nah.... "Book of Life" is far from a mainstream cut nor is that album.... its a classic in my eyes


Nope. Never said the album was mainstream, just the single "I Used to Love H.E.R." was mainstream. Remember, for those that aren't familiar with that cut, that was Com's response to how the West Coast was "pimpin' hip hop and turning it gangsta and ghetto. That was a very mainstream cut.
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Reply #71 posted 08/09/07 12:18pm

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Resurrection?.... Mainstream? heyul nah.... "Book of Life" is far from a mainstream cut nor is that album.... its a classic in my eyes


Nope. Never said the album was mainstream, just the single "I Used to Love H.E.R." was mainstream. Remember, for those that aren't familiar with that cut, that was Com's response to how the West Coast was "pimpin' hip hop and turning it gangsta and ghetto. That was a very mainstream cut.
Oh, okay. That wasn't the impression I got with what you said up top. I can agree the cut was mainstream, it was the first time I had heard of Common Sense.
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Reply #72 posted 08/09/07 12:18pm

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The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.


The feud with Com definitely gave him some shine and got him some play on Rap City and Video Vibrations. But if you asked anyone who got their hip-hop from MTV (mass appeal) about the beef with Common, they'd be like "Who?"


If you asked them BACK THEN, then almost all of them would say "Yeah! We remember that beef!" because that's when the East/West wars were starting to rage, and then Pac/Snoop/Suge blew it off the lid.

How come y'all aint up on all of this? Are some of y'all that young or too old to remember that far back? lol
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Reply #73 posted 08/09/07 12:20pm

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The feud with Cube when Com dropped "I Used to Love H.E.R." - That put him in the limelight. Cube was mainstream and the battle with Cube made Com mainstream at that point.
Limelight? A little. Did not translate to sales. Mainstream? Hell no. Unfortunately, it was his single The Light, that brought him into popularity. Hopefully, it brought new fans for him.


That's your error right there - relegating it to "sales" only. You can't do that because it's more than "sales". It's about "shine" and being the "It" dude of the hour.
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Reply #74 posted 08/09/07 12:21pm

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The feud with Com definitely gave him some shine and got him some play on Rap City and Video Vibrations. But if you asked anyone who got their hip-hop from MTV (mass appeal) about the beef with Common, they'd be like "Who?"


If you asked them BACK THEN, then almost all of them would say "Yeah! We remember that beef!" because that's when the East/West wars were starting to rage, and then Pac/Snoop/Suge blew it off the lid.

How come y'all aint up on all of this? Are some of y'all that young or too old to remember that far back? lol
But we are up on that but, from your initial post, you made it seem like Com was a full on celebrity that fell off and had a comeback.
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Reply #75 posted 08/09/07 12:22pm

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The feud with Com definitely gave him some shine and got him some play on Rap City and Video Vibrations. But if you asked anyone who got their hip-hop from MTV (mass appeal) about the beef with Common, they'd be like "Who?"
Yep.

No disrespect, Mutha, but I ge the sense that you are a true hip-hop head and to those of us who truly are, yeah, maybe Common was up there for a minute and appeared to fall off the radar. I'm in Chicago though, and we'd hear him all the time.


Born and raised a Hip Hop Head. I had no choice bascially lol, so I followed the game from the late 70s to now. But you just said you're in Chi and that's why YOU don't see him as "falling off" because the local radios played him tough because he was homegrown.
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Reply #76 posted 08/09/07 12:23pm

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Nope. Never said the album was mainstream, just the single "I Used to Love H.E.R." was mainstream. Remember, for those that aren't familiar with that cut, that was Com's response to how the West Coast was "pimpin' hip hop and turning it gangsta and ghetto. That was a very mainstream cut.
Oh, okay. That wasn't the impression I got with what you said up top. I can agree the cut was mainstream, it was the first time I had heard of Common Sense.


Right, and that was my point I was trying to get across.
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Reply #77 posted 08/09/07 12:24pm

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Oh, okay. That wasn't the impression I got with what you said up top. I can agree the cut was mainstream, it was the first time I had heard of Common Sense.


Right, and that was my point I was trying to get across.
See, we can get along. biggrin
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Reply #78 posted 08/09/07 12:24pm

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Lothan said:

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If you asked them BACK THEN, then almost all of them would say "Yeah! We remember that beef!" because that's when the East/West wars were starting to rage, and then Pac/Snoop/Suge blew it off the lid.

How come y'all aint up on all of this? Are some of y'all that young or too old to remember that far back? lol
But we are up on that but, from your initial post, you made it seem like Com was a full on celebrity that fell off and had a comeback.


Nah I never gave the impression he was a full-on celeb, just that he simply "fell off" and if you look at where he's at now, it's basically a great comeback.
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Reply #79 posted 08/09/07 12:24pm

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Right, and that was my point I was trying to get across.
See, we can get along. biggrin


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Reply #80 posted 08/09/07 12:26pm

Lothan

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Lothan said:

See, we can get along. biggrin


I never knew we weren't wink
Well, there was a monkeywrench thrown in the program a few posts back. lol
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Reply #81 posted 08/09/07 12:29pm

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I never knew we weren't wink
Well, there was a monkeywrench thrown in the program a few posts back. lol


Oh ok. lol
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Reply #82 posted 08/09/07 12:31pm

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Lothan said:

But we are up on that but, from your initial post, you made it seem like Com was a full on celebrity that fell off and had a comeback.


Nah I never gave the impression he was a full-on celeb, just that he simply "fell off" and if you look at where he's at now, it's basically a great comeback.


Even going with that logic that he fell off... I mean Resurrection as great as it is didn't take the hip-hop world by storm. If you speaking going by mainstream cuts, then I could argue that each album since Resurrection had a mainstream cut with popular appeal.

Restrospect For Life, The Light, Come Close, and Go

I guess I'm not seeing where the "Common fell off" factor comes into play and how the comeback was staged. His career just seem like it has continually progressed until he finally achieved a # 1 album in a universal climate of dismal sales.
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Reply #83 posted 08/09/07 12:40pm

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I honestly didn't listen to Common as a solo artist until after "The Light" (Jay Dee) and "The 6th Sense" (DJ Premier) from Like Water For Chocolate. By then, he wasn't even Common Sense.
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Reply #84 posted 08/09/07 12:50pm

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Nah I never gave the impression he was a full-on celeb, just that he simply "fell off" and if you look at where he's at now, it's basically a great comeback.


Even going with that logic that he fell off... I mean Resurrection as great as it is didn't take the hip-hop world by storm. If you speaking going by mainstream cuts, then I could argue that each album since Resurrection had a mainstream cut with popular appeal.

Restrospect For Life, The Light, Come Close, and Go

I guess I'm not seeing where the "Common fell off" factor comes into play and how the comeback was staged. His career just seem like it has continually progressed until he finally achieved a # 1 album in a universal climate of dismal sales.
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You can't include "Go!" because that's on the "comeback" vibe. "Retro For Life" didn't do anything on the charts. Come Close was 2000 and made some minor noise, but nothing like he's doing now. Again, this is about him JUST rapping, this is him being the "It" dude to where he's on ESPN and doing films. It's a combo of things he's getting now compared to then.
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Reply #85 posted 08/09/07 12:52pm

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People don't seem to know Common's old label MCA folded 3 months after Electric Circus dropped, stopping all promotion of that project.
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Reply #86 posted 08/09/07 12:54pm

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People don't seem to know Common's old label MCA folded 3 months after Electric Circus dropped, stopping all promotion of that project.


Which also led to unreleasing of Cherokee's artistic gem "Soul Parade". One of the best Soul albums never heard.
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Reply #87 posted 08/09/07 1:04pm

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People don't seem to know Common's old label MCA folded 3 months after Electric Circus dropped, stopping all promotion of that project.


Which also led to unreleasing of Cherokee's artistic gem "Soul Parade". One of the best Soul albums never heard.


Cherokee was scheduled for release twice. On RCA (before it folded) and Arista (who dropped her like a safe from a 50 ft. building) But it's definitely a shame that album wasn't released. Cherokee had enough buzz from her GAP/ACDC/Back in Black commercial to green light that album. Soul Parade still gets regular rotation from me. thumbs up!
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Reply #88 posted 08/09/07 1:06pm

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Which also led to unreleasing of Cherokee's artistic gem "Soul Parade". One of the best Soul albums never heard.


Cherokee was scheduled for release twice. On RCA (before it folded) and Arista (who dropped her like a safe from a 50 ft. building) But it's definitely a shame that album wasn't released. Cherokee had enough buzz from her GAP/ACDC/Back in Black commercial to green light that album. Soul Parade still gets regular rotation from me. thumbs up!


headbang You just became one my bestest friends for knowing about all that! lol

Ubelievable album! It's a crime she has to bootleg her OWN album to sell it. Record companies fucking suck!
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Reply #89 posted 08/09/07 1:11pm

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Cherokee was scheduled for release twice. On RCA (before it folded) and Arista (who dropped her like a safe from a 50 ft. building) But it's definitely a shame that album wasn't released. Cherokee had enough buzz from her GAP/ACDC/Back in Black commercial to green light that album. Soul Parade still gets regular rotation from me. thumbs up!


headbang You just became one my bestest friends for knowing about all that! lol

Ubelievable album! It's a crime she has to bootleg her OWN album to sell it. Record companies fucking suck!


I know lol I still hate Arista (pretty much L.A. Reid) for what they (he) did to "Soul Parade" and "Kamaal the Abstract" Outkast and Usher were the ONLY artists they had faith in at the time.
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