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seeingvoices12 said: And you broght up prince in the subject, get real, anyone with a rational mind would know that prince is not a serious voclaist on stage and he has never been ,prince plays instruments on stage , and if you are a fan of prince you would know that his songs don't rely heavyily vocals , unlike Mj who most and the majority of his songs relay on heavy vocals..... Boy, talk about missing the point. Are you trying to be this obtuse? Whether you use Prince as an example or a thousand other singers doesn't matter. The point is a singer should be able to sing for more than 3 nights without losing their voice. Michael himself used to do it. There are a thousand other singers out there who can do it. Who you use as an example is hardly the point. Hell, Beyonce can do it. NOw , no one said that Mj is capable of singing live just like the record, No one siad that, in fact no artist is capable of identically singing like the record, Mj's voice has changed over the yes but he still can sing.....deal with it.
Again, you're missing the point. No one is asking MJ to sing identically to how he does on the record. What we're asking for is for him to sing with the same quality. That's the point. Bruce Springsteen, Terence Trent Darby, and many other real singers, will sing a song different to the record, but if anything they'll sound better live than they do on record. No honest person who heard Michael screeching his way through the high notes on You Rock My World at the MSG concert could deny the difference in quality between that and the record. [Edited 7/27/07 7:50am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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whatsgoingon said: In this sketch he actually does the splits, he is about 19 here.
http://uk.youtube.com/wat...6kF0xMcrFc OMG, I´ve never seen this one: Thanks! I almost did not recognise MIke. How cute! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: SoulAlive said: No,he doesn't need to make a "new" album.Michael has lost the ability to make good "new" music.He's become artistically lazy and complacent.His strategy for making new music is simple.....pick up an issue of Billboard,see who's doing well on the charts and then call up the hottest R&B/hip-hop producers to help him out
 This strategy is played out! To be honest,I don't even wanna hear this new CD he's working on.Songs written by Akon and will.i.am? No thank you!
At this point,an unplugged album is the only way to go. Im tellin ya, we should kidnap him, Lock him into a studio that only has an Acoustic Piano, Acoustic Guitar and Bass, A Drum Set an old school Condenser Mic, And if in a month he doesn't come up with anything, we should shoot him, like Old yeller... cause it's true he would be worthless...  EmbattledWarrior, I love you! Great posts.
It's funny you say this because I think the fact is if he can still sing with soul, it's like he's holding it back on others. That's just my opinion. I'm not trying to hate on how he performs but it's obvious that the guy has SOUL. It's just that a lot of outside issues, whether intended or not, have overshadowed it, covered it up with a nasty blanket and shrouded only in mystery (until YouTube brings back the past ). I would hope on this album he's not holding nothing back and let everyone know why he's a great SINGER. Mike is reaching fifty so I don't expect his moves to be stellar but I think entertainers after reaching 50 do cut back on the dancing. After he reached 60, I think James stopped doing splits because he was having leg pains and hip surgery from falling down onstage all the time. We don't know how a 50-year-old MJ will handle doing the pop-locking and moonwalking, then again, maybe he can. As of everything in his life, what he's doing musically besides collaborating with various "names", is a mystery and we won't know until the final product is presented. I think Mike's the king of procrastination and also I think ole boy wants to raise his kids more so than trying to compete with the Chris Browns and the Ne-Yos nor do I want him to.
Amen to that as well. [Edited 7/27/07 8:47am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midnightmover said: papaaisaway said: THE FOSSE ROUTINE...
Displayed striking similarities to how MJ performed in his later years... (e.g. Dangerous) Indeed. I'm glad to have seen that as it clears up a mystery. I always wondered how Michael transformed himself from the cute but uncool performer we see in 1975 to the ice cold bad motherfucker we saw on Motown 25, Smooth Criminal, Grammys 88, etc. This helps explain it. Thank god he latched onto Bob Fosse cos if he'd stayed performing like he was in 1975, then I don't think any of us, including me, would even be talking about him now. Talk for yourself. I was a fan well before Thriller, it wasn't Motown 25th that made me a fan, as good as it was. As I said I prefer Don't Blame it on the Boogie to Remember The Time. I prefer the Don't Stop till you Get Enough video to The Way You Make me feel video. Whether he had done Thriller or not, I would have been a fan because from the beginning I appreciated him as a singer first and foremost and secondly as a dancer. I always felt Michael was a great dancer well before Motown 25th and Thriller, and when it comes to the funk I believe he had it more back in the day than in more recent years, where there is alot of great, fancy, foot work but the sass and funk has gone. And quite frankly he way cooler as an artist during his Off The Wall era, than anything he did after Thriller.!! [Edited 7/27/07 12:49pm] [Edited 7/27/07 15:10pm] | |
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midnightmover said: EmbattledWarrior said: It had been a few years since his last performance get over it Already, and me in denial lol i'm probably the most realistic you're gonna find in these parts... Cause I HATE his current music... But i do know what i know, because of my recording background. And MJ can Sing His Stamina is a different story... Because of his long sabbatical from music, stamina goes away... And if you know anything about vocals... If you don't practice or sing for a long period of time, like a muscle it withers away... But as i said it could be built up back to speed. You never forget how to sing... If MJ wants he could build it up, but the mans approaching 50 he can do what he damn well pleases... but saying the man can't sing is ludicrous lol and just shows you're ignorance on singing... lol Sneddon put a Hoodoo curse on michael, so he forgot how to sing lol Get real... Spelling Edit [Edited 7/27/07 3:56am] Michael had been training with his vocal teacher Seth Riggs for almost a year before the MSG concert. He'd also done a lot of singing in the studio, so the idea that he wasn't warmed up is nonsense. If it was just a case of building up the muscle again, then don't you think Michael would do it? You're basically accusing him of being a pathological idiot if you think he wouldn't realise something so obvious. You're also ignoring the previous 14 years leading up to MSG. The quality of his live vocals had steadily declined from the Bad Tour onwards. Coinciding with that was an increase in the amount of miming he did. Just coincidence? Please. Let's not leave our brains at the door. It's obvious that Michael's vocal difficulties are much more serious than just being rusty. That's a problem which can be fixed in a day or two. Michael's vocal problems date back nearly two decades. Why did he start the Bad tour singing all live, then start miming two songs after the first leg of the tour? Who knows, maybe he got rusty and out of practise from singing every night.
[Edited 7/27/07 8:39am] 1. He trained with riggs for vocal recording, and to expand his vbocal range which he did. The Inviuncible sessions were done for nearly 8 months. And recording vocal strength is entirely different live recording strength. Recording sessions tend to be only 1 to 2 hours long, with alot of breaks so you can get the singers best performance. It's certainly not gonna wrm you up for longevity singing. 2. the quality in his voice changed because he was pursuing a different style of music after Bad which was a Rock style, which actually needs more care and is intensely more difficult than a R&B Mouthhorn. The Bad tour itself at the end trashed his voice during the end because of all the nights he was Distorting his voice. The Dangerous Tour Vocals sucked because the mic setup was cheap. It was the begginning of those god awful Headphone mics in the place of the traditional Dynamics. And i guess vocal talent was replaced with parlor tricks. I guess the record company decided that the fans probably can't hear him anyway, so it wouldn't matter. And the Touring game is not about singing, when it came to mj, it was about money and putting on a show. I don't like it, but that is what he's been reduced too... An Unplugged set would be ideal for him. No dancing so he could fully concentrate on vocals. And too show assholes like you, that he can sing. I really hate fans like you, Been a fan all your life, But because MJ has dissapointed you for so long, you've become disgruntled. Like Krayzle, he's a disgruntled MJ fan. He probably loves him more than anyone... If you're gonna rip MJ, Rip his music, which sucks now, but saying he can't sing thats just plain dumb. Mj is one of the few artist that has perfect pitch... c'mon now, [Edited 7/27/07 14:59pm] I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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whatsgoingon said: midnightmover said: Indeed. I'm glad to have seen that as it clears up a mystery. I always wondered how Michael transformed himself from the cute but uncool performer we see in 1975 to the ice cold bad motherfucker we saw on Motown 25, Smooth Criminal, Grammys 88, etc. This helps explain it. Thank god he latched onto Bob Fosse cos if he'd stayed performing like he was in 1975, then I don't think any of us, including me, would even be talking about him now. Talk for yourself. I was a fan well before Thriller, it wasn't Motown 25th that made me a fan, as good as it was. As I said I prefer Don't Blame it on the Boogie to Remember The Time. I prefer the Don't Stop till you Get Enough video to The Way You Make me feel video. Whether he had done Thriller or not, I would have been a fan because from the beginning I appreciated him as a singer first and foremost and secondly as a dancer. I always felt Michael was a great dancer well before Motown 25th and Thriller, and when it comes to the funk I believe he had it more back in the day than in more recent years, where there is alot of great, fancy, foot work but the sass and funk has gone. And quite frankly he way cooler as an artist during his Off The Wall era, than anything he did after Thriller.!! [Edited 7/27/07 12:49pm] [Edited 7/27/07 15:10pm] Basically.  Like I said I was born after "Thriller" but I'm not blind to see the dude had/has MAD talent and was MAD cool WAY back then even before "Thriller".  [Edited 7/27/07 15:17pm] | |
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whatsgoingon said: Being Marketable is important to Michael "King of Pop" Jackson and it's also important to his Bad/History/Dangerous era fans, because most of them see MJ as a video star/dancer first and foremost. And to be honest those type of fans are really important to him, because they probably make up the majority of his fanbase now. Now I rather him do the accoustic thing myself, because I am a sucker for a proper live show as oppose to a show which is more like a video on stage which is what most of the solo Mj tours are all about. I would much rather watch the J5 in Mexico 1975, which was just Michael and his brothers with a great orchestra, than the Dangerous tour any day. Why can't he do both? Plenty of newer artists are coming out with unplugged albums, along with new material. Michael could do the same thing. "Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart." - Khalil Gibran | |
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ProgRocker said: whatsgoingon said: Being Marketable is important to Michael "King of Pop" Jackson and it's also important to his Bad/History/Dangerous era fans, because most of them see MJ as a video star/dancer first and foremost. And to be honest those type of fans are really important to him, because they probably make up the majority of his fanbase now. Now I rather him do the accoustic thing myself, because I am a sucker for a proper live show as oppose to a show which is more like a video on stage which is what most of the solo Mj tours are all about. I would much rather watch the J5 in Mexico 1975, which was just Michael and his brothers with a great orchestra, than the Dangerous tour any day. Why can't he do both? Plenty of newer artists are coming out with unplugged albums, along with new material. Michael could do the same thing. Simple, he's afraid that no one's gonna dig it if he does it like that. But ain't that the point of being an artist: you have to do something completely different to build off your talent. The problem with Michael is that everything has to be BIG, it has to be or it fails and that's the problem, he tries doing something big, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I wish he could do both though. Despite a long illustrious career (38 years altogether this year as a professional recording artist), he's very limiting in what he's done since 1984. [Edited 7/27/07 16:10pm] | |
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pjh1972 said: I'm fast losing patience with MJ's online fans. You know the type, the ones who think that HIStory is his best album ever and that he is going to suprise us all with some huge comeback that'll make him the biggest star on the planet again and he can do that by remaking a load of HIStory style "everyone is out to get me" "save the kids" drivel whilst saying that he looks "hot" these days.
As time ticks on and the man just does nothing except turn up every other year to award ceremonies or other things where he's paid millions to wave and say "I love you" in sunglasses, it's becoming increasingly clear that he's probably retired but hasn't got the guts to announce it. I bet there's still no new album by Christmas 2008. Like a previous poster said, he once said that the stage was his home, now he avoids it like the plague. Such a shame, i've been into his music since Thriller came out. Probably best to remember him that way. I disagree, HIStory was his most personal album, and that's probably why most fans enjoy it and connect with it over the rest of his releases. It's personally my favorite MJ album, but I agree that we need something new; not more rehashing the 'save the world', 'lost children' crap. He's been doing that since 1991, and it is getting kind of old. 
You can't compare an artist's albums like that, though. It's like saying Hunky Dory is a better Bowie album than Station To Station. Some people enjoy Hunky Dory the most, and then others list Station as their favorite. It all boils down to personal preference.[Edited 7/27/07 16:36pm] [Edited 7/27/07 16:37pm] "Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart." - Khalil Gibran | |
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I cant imagine what's gonna happen to org if he releases an album | |
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LightOfArt said: I cant imagine what's gonna happen to org if he releases an album
The music section will probably be bombarded with MJ posts. "Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart." - Khalil Gibran | |
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ProgRocker said: LightOfArt said: I cant imagine what's gonna happen to org if he releases an album
The music section will probably be bombarded with MJ posts. Christ i remember during the molestation trial, this place was a MJ cess pool... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: midnightmover said: Michael had been training with his vocal teacher Seth Riggs for almost a year before the MSG concert. He'd also done a lot of singing in the studio, so the idea that he wasn't warmed up is nonsense. If it was just a case of building up the muscle again, then don't you think Michael would do it? You're basically accusing him of being a pathological idiot if you think he wouldn't realise something so obvious. You're also ignoring the previous 14 years leading up to MSG. The quality of his live vocals had steadily declined from the Bad Tour onwards. Coinciding with that was an increase in the amount of miming he did. Just coincidence? Please. Let's not leave our brains at the door. It's obvious that Michael's vocal difficulties are much more serious than just being rusty. That's a problem which can be fixed in a day or two. Michael's vocal problems date back nearly two decades. Why did he start the Bad tour singing all live, then start miming two songs after the first leg of the tour? Who knows, maybe he got rusty and out of practise from singing every night.
[Edited 7/27/07 8:39am] 1. He trained with riggs for vocal recording, and to expand his vbocal range which he did. The Inviuncible sessions were done for nearly 8 months. And recording vocal strength is entirely different live recording strength. Recording sessions tend to be only 1 to 2 hours long, with alot of breaks so you can get the singers best performance. It's certainly not gonna wrm you up for longevity singing. 2. the quality in his voice changed because he was pursuing a different style of music after Bad which was a Rock style, which actually needs more care and is intensely more difficult than a R&B Mouthhorn. The Bad tour itself at the end trashed his voice during the end because of all the nights he was Distorting his voice. The Dangerous Tour Vocals sucked because the mic setup was cheap. It was the begginning of those god awful Headphone mics in the place of the traditional Dynamics. And i guess vocal talent was replaced with parlor tricks. I guess the record company decided that the fans probably can't hear him anyway, so it wouldn't matter. And the Touring game is not about singing, when it came to mj, it was about money and putting on a show. I don't like it, but that is what he's been reduced too... An Unplugged set would be ideal for him. No dancing so he could fully concentrate on vocals. And too show assholes like you, that he can sing. I really hate fans like you, Been a fan all your life, But because MJ has dissapointed you for so long, you've become disgruntled. Like Krayzle, he's a disgruntled MJ fan. He probably loves him more than anyone... If you're gonna rip MJ, Rip his music, which sucks now, but saying he can't sing thats just plain dumb. Mj is one of the few artist that has perfect pitch... c'mon now, [Edited 7/27/07 14:59pm] Bla bla bla bla Here's the truth : Way you make me feel 1988 http://www.youtube.com/wa...1ITnvLzO4s Way you make me feel 2001 http://www.youtube.com/wa...HNvtF8hH2Y Now what ???? |
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krayzie said: EmbattledWarrior said: 1. He trained with riggs for vocal recording, and to expand his vbocal range which he did. The Inviuncible sessions were done for nearly 8 months. And recording vocal strength is entirely different live recording strength. Recording sessions tend to be only 1 to 2 hours long, with alot of breaks so you can get the singers best performance. It's certainly not gonna wrm you up for longevity singing. 2. the quality in his voice changed because he was pursuing a different style of music after Bad which was a Rock style, which actually needs more care and is intensely more difficult than a R&B Mouthhorn. The Bad tour itself at the end trashed his voice during the end because of all the nights he was Distorting his voice. The Dangerous Tour Vocals sucked because the mic setup was cheap. It was the begginning of those god awful Headphone mics in the place of the traditional Dynamics. And i guess vocal talent was replaced with parlor tricks. I guess the record company decided that the fans probably can't hear him anyway, so it wouldn't matter. And the Touring game is not about singing, when it came to mj, it was about money and putting on a show. I don't like it, but that is what he's been reduced too... An Unplugged set would be ideal for him. No dancing so he could fully concentrate on vocals. And too show assholes like you, that he can sing. I really hate fans like you, Been a fan all your life, But because MJ has dissapointed you for so long, you've become disgruntled. Like Krayzle, he's a disgruntled MJ fan. He probably loves him more than anyone... If you're gonna rip MJ, Rip his music, which sucks now, but saying he can't sing thats just plain dumb. Mj is one of the few artist that has perfect pitch... c'mon now, [Edited 7/27/07 14:59pm] Bla bla bla bla Here's the truth : Way you make me feel 1988 http://www.youtube.com/wa...1ITnvLzO4s Way you make me feel 2001 http://www.youtube.com/wa...HNvtF8hH2Y Now what ???? Both wasn't lipsynced 2001 wasn't lip synced, least the begginning, the rest im not sure, but is like i said, only one that he did lip sync was YRMW. i seriously hate that concert though anyway there was nothing good about it... yah that def wasn't lip synced... i really don't know why he sang the song with such a deep chest voice though... to showcase his new range? really don't know but i don't like that song, deep at all... [Edited 7/27/07 19:37pm] I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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I don't know what was going on with Mike during that concert but it appears to me he was not okay with all that was going on, plus he seemed...sleepy, hair all messed up, face pale as hell (I mean it's very light and pale but doggone on that night, he DID look like a ghost  ), eyes looking drowsy, his makeup look so weird that it felt he was sneezing between every time the camera left his side. Like "ACHOO!" then flash forward and see Mike give a performer the thumbs up, then when he got there, he decided to cover his mouth during the solo portion of the tour while he DIDN'T cover his mouth at all during the Jacksons medley. The Jacksons medley reunion remains the BEST thing about that show. All six Jackson brothers tore it up! I was all verklempt.  | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: krayzie said: Bla bla bla bla Here's the truth : Way you make me feel 1988 http://www.youtube.com/wa...1ITnvLzO4s Way you make me feel 2001 http://www.youtube.com/wa...HNvtF8hH2Y Now what ???? Both wasn't lipsynced 2001 wasn't lip synced, least the begginning, the rest im not sure, but is like i said, only one that he did lip sync was YRMW. i seriously hate that concert though anyway there was nothing good about it... yah that def wasn't lip synced... i really don't know why he sang the song with such a deep chest voice though... to showcase his new range? really don't know but i don't like that song, deep at all... [Edited 7/27/07 19:37pm] If I remember correctly, I think he lipsynced the beginning of Billie Jean. But I do think he sounded better with his brothers at that concert, then anything he did from the HIStory tour. | |
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Timmy84 said: I don't know what was going on with Mike during that concert but it appears to me he was not okay with all that was going on, plus he seemed...sleepy, hair all messed up, face pale as hell (I mean it's very light and pale but doggone on that night, he DID look like a ghost
), eyes looking drowsy, his makeup look so weird that it felt he was sneezing between every time the camera left his side. Like "ACHOO!" then flash forward and see Mike give a performer the thumbs up, then when he got there, he decided to cover his mouth during the solo portion of the tour while he DIDN'T cover his mouth at all during the Jacksons medley. The Jacksons medley reunion remains the BEST thing about that show. All six Jackson brothers tore it up! I was all verklempt. I think it was the Mic, i'll ask my dad Maybe the headset mic wasn't recieving well, But he did sound great during the jackson portion with the dynamics... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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waw2002 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Both wasn't lipsynced 2001 wasn't lip synced, least the begginning, the rest im not sure, but is like i said, only one that he did lip sync was YRMW. i seriously hate that concert though anyway there was nothing good about it... yah that def wasn't lip synced... i really don't know why he sang the song with such a deep chest voice though... to showcase his new range? really don't know but i don't like that song, deep at all... [Edited 7/27/07 19:37pm] If I remember correctly, I think he lipsynced the beginning of Billie Jean. But I do think he sounded better with his brothers at that concert, then anything he did from the HIStory tour. He lip-synched all of "Beat It" too until the end of it. You could tell when he was really singing and that was near the end of it when he wasn't in no dance sequence. He did lip a lot from "Billie Jean" but it was still a great performance, he really sung portions of it at the end though. He did SING but he had a back track recorder at all times.
But yeah, he did sound a whole lot better when he was with his brothers. I think their reunion was an emotional one since they hadn't performed together in, at the time of the concert, seventeen years. That's when Michael's soul came, when he was performing with his brothers, it was noticeably missing during the second half aside from the "Billie Jean" performance. | |
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Timmy84 said: waw2002 said: If I remember correctly, I think he lipsynced the beginning of Billie Jean. But I do think he sounded better with his brothers at that concert, then anything he did from the HIStory tour. He lip-synched all of "Beat It" too until the end of it. You could tell when he was really singing and that was near the end of it when he wasn't in no dance sequence. He did lip a lot from "Billie Jean" but it was still a great performance, he really sung portions of it at the end though. He did SING but he had a back track recorder at all times.
But yeah, he did sound a whole lot better when he was with his brothers. I think their reunion was an emotional one since they hadn't performed together in, at the time of the concert, seventeen years. That's when Michael's soul came, when he was performing with his brothers, it was noticeably missing during the second half aside from the "Billie Jean" performance. Ya gotta remember too that those telvised concerts were dubbed heavily too... Basically what they're doing is mixing and matching the best audio performance with the best physical performance I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Timmy84 said: He lip-synched all of "Beat It" too until the end of it. You could tell when he was really singing and that was near the end of it when he wasn't in no dance sequence. He did lip a lot from "Billie Jean" but it was still a great performance, he really sung portions of it at the end though. He did SING but he had a back track recorder at all times.
But yeah, he did sound a whole lot better when he was with his brothers. I think their reunion was an emotional one since they hadn't performed together in, at the time of the concert, seventeen years. That's when Michael's soul came, when he was performing with his brothers, it was noticeably missing during the second half aside from the "Billie Jean" performance. Ya gotta remember too that those telvised concerts were dubbed heavily too... Basically what they're doing is mixing and matching the best audio performance with the best physical performance Well in that case, that speaks a lot about what may have occurred without the vocal track. We all know how Michael, when he sings (after countless minutes of dancing) gets out of breath quickly, CBS may have been like "we gotta make it seem like he was fine vocally" so they probably fixed it so it wouldn't appear that we were hearing an out-of-breath Michael all the time. We don't know what was really going on. I think he had a back track recorder, you said it may have been the microphone, I do believe they probably dubbed it though. I wonder if Whitney's vocals (as well as her image from that night) was overdubbed too.  | |
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bboy87 said: nah, this story is faker than Justin Timberlake's personality This story is faker then Lindsay Lohan's borrowed pants excuse. | |
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I thought he sounded good during the way you make me feel (singing next to Britney Spears, made him sound even better) but does anyone know if that raspiness is permanent now? | |
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waw2002 said: I thought he sounded good during the way you make me feel (singing next to Britney Spears, made him sound even better) but does anyone know if that raspiness is permanent now?
It would seem that way. He's been grunting more times than Marvin and Otis have, lol. | |
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Timmy84 said: EmbattledWarrior said: Ya gotta remember too that those telvised concerts were dubbed heavily too... Basically what they're doing is mixing and matching the best audio performance with the best physical performance Well in that case, that speaks a lot about what may have occurred without the vocal track. We all know how Michael, when he sings (after countless minutes of dancing) gets out of breath quickly, CBS may have been like "we gotta make it seem like he was fine vocally" so they probably fixed it so it wouldn't appear that we were hearing an out-of-breath Michael all the time. We don't know what was really going on. I think he had a back track recorder, you said it may have been the microphone, I do believe they probably dubbed it though. I wonder if Whitney's vocals (as well as her image from that night) was overdubbed too. In my opinion the first night was the best i went to all three Michael was spontaneous, playing parlor games with the audience, stuff u dont see on T.V. the other two nights you can clearly see he was fatigued... He wasn't in the best shape at that time, his dancing wasn't crisp cause he broke his foot earlier that year. His lips weren't moving because of some dental thing 01 was a bad year..., He had that horrrrible nose job Those concerts didnt showcase anything good, least the other two nights, which for some odd reason where the nights they chose to use... beats me... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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krayzie said: Bla bla bla bla Here's the truth : Way you make me feel 1988 http://www.youtube.com/wa...1ITnvLzO4s Way you make me feel 2001 http://www.youtube.com/wa...HNvtF8hH2Y Now what ???? So what?
That's a 13/14 year difference. Michael was in his prime (physically wise) back then. He's now pushing 50...surely you can't think that he'll still have the same voice he had when he was 27. People's voices change when they get older, including celebrities. And I actually love his singing in this version. It's lower, but it's not bad; he still has a very strong voice. [Edited 7/27/07 20:17pm] "Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart." - Khalil Gibran | |
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ProgRocker said: krayzie said: Bla bla bla bla Here's the truth : Way you make me feel 1988 http://www.youtube.com/wa...1ITnvLzO4s Way you make me feel 2001 http://www.youtube.com/wa...HNvtF8hH2Y Now what ???? So what?
That's a 13/14 year difference. Michael was in his prime (physically wise) back then. He's now pushing 50...surely you can't think that he'll still have the same voice he had when he was 27. People's voices change when they get older, including celebrities. And I actually love his singing in this version. It's lower, but it's not bad; he still has a very strong voice. [Edited 7/27/07 20:17pm] well the man still can sing lol Krayzie is hell bent on proving otherwise lol I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Timmy84 said: Well in that case, that speaks a lot about what may have occurred without the vocal track. We all know how Michael, when he sings (after countless minutes of dancing) gets out of breath quickly, CBS may have been like "we gotta make it seem like he was fine vocally" so they probably fixed it so it wouldn't appear that we were hearing an out-of-breath Michael all the time. We don't know what was really going on. I think he had a back track recorder, you said it may have been the microphone, I do believe they probably dubbed it though. I wonder if Whitney's vocals (as well as her image from that night) was overdubbed too. In my opinion the first night was the best i went to all three Michael was spontaneous, playing parlor games with the audience, stuff u dont see on T.V. the other two nights you can clearly see he was fatigued... He wasn't in the best shape at that time, his dancing wasn't crisp cause he broke his foot earlier that year. His lips weren't moving because of some dental thing 01 was a bad year..., He had that horrrrible nose job Those concerts didnt showcase anything good, least the other two nights, which for some odd reason where the nights they chose to use... beats me... I could deal with his dancing not being very crisp, but he was completely off time at some parts. Oh and I saw some bootlegs of Billie Jean from the concert (which was supposed to be the worst night) and he looked like he didn't know what the hell he was doing. I believe he was trying to attempt the carlton dance. | |
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waw2002 said: EmbattledWarrior said: In my opinion the first night was the best i went to all three Michael was spontaneous, playing parlor games with the audience, stuff u dont see on T.V. the other two nights you can clearly see he was fatigued... He wasn't in the best shape at that time, his dancing wasn't crisp cause he broke his foot earlier that year. His lips weren't moving because of some dental thing 01 was a bad year..., He had that horrrrible nose job Those concerts didnt showcase anything good, least the other two nights, which for some odd reason where the nights they chose to use... beats me... I could deal with his dancing not being very crisp, but he was completely off time at some parts. Oh and I saw some bootlegs of Billie Jean from the concert (which was supposed to be the worst night) and he looked like he didn't know what the hell he was doing. I believe he was trying to attempt the carlton dance. SAY WHAT!?!  Nah, Mike... don't tell me it was like that. He must've not wanted to do it. | |
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waw2002 said: EmbattledWarrior said: In my opinion the first night was the best i went to all three Michael was spontaneous, playing parlor games with the audience, stuff u dont see on T.V. the other two nights you can clearly see he was fatigued... He wasn't in the best shape at that time, his dancing wasn't crisp cause he broke his foot earlier that year. His lips weren't moving because of some dental thing 01 was a bad year..., He had that horrrrible nose job Those concerts didnt showcase anything good, least the other two nights, which for some odd reason where the nights they chose to use... beats me... I could deal with his dancing not being very crisp, but he was completely off time at some parts. Oh and I saw some bootlegs of Billie Jean from the concert (which was supposed to be the worst night) and he looked like he didn't know what the hell he was doing. I believe he was trying to attempt the carlton dance. You see the problems stems from the dancing. Always trying to do fancy footwork is going to compromise his other main talent, his singing. Michael is older now, apart from his hardcore fans who see him as a dancer first and foremost, most reasonable people will not expect him to be dancing exactly with the same sharpness and flair as he did during the Thriller years. Therefore he needs to minimize the dancing and work on his voice. This does not mean not dancing at all, but keep it simple and just dance, not remake a whole video on stage. | |
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