Well,the mystery is solved.We now have the FINAL tracklist for the upcoming Santana CD 'Shaman',which will be released on October 22.It doesn't look like Prince appears on this CD.And where is Sting,Aretha,Bob Dylan,Michael Jackson and all those other artists that Carlos wanted to work with? It seems like,for the most part,'Shaman' consists of collaborations with mostly newer artists.Here's the final tracklist for the CD...


"Adouma"
"Nothing At All" featuring Musiq
"Game Of Love" featuring Michelle Branch
"Feels Like Fire" featuring Dido
"You Are My Kind" featuring Seal
"Satellite" featuring Marc Anthony
"Foo Foo"
"Victory Is Won"
"Since Supernatural" featuring Wyclef Jean
"One Of These Days" featuring Ozomatli
"Amore" featuring Macy Gray
"Aye Aye Aye"
"Hoy Es Adios" featuring Alejandro Lerner
"Novus" featuring Placido Domingo
"America" featuring P.O.D.
"Sideways" featuring Citizen Cope



A few thoughts and opinions...


***It will be great to hear Seal again! He appears on the song "You Are My Kind".

***The song "Amore" sounds VERY interesting.It was produced by Dallas Austin and features the unmistakable vocals of Macy Gray.Can't wait to hear this tune!

***There are several outtakes from this CD that I have heard about..."Lady Bird Blues" with Cee-Lo,as well as "Manana","Love To The People","Ath Of My Head","Keep It Positive","Truth Don Die" and "(Curacion) Sunshine On Water".Hopefully,these songs will show up on a future CD or as B-side singles.
[This message was edited Thu Sep 26 4:57:30 PDT 2002 by DavidEye]

good to see citizen cope getting some exposure...

rio said:

Actually,I'm not even sure who they are.Fill me in,Rio!

Santana per4med on the "Latin Grammys" with POD. They did "America" and all I can say was that it was okay.

Live, they seemed like they were struggling. Obviously Santana kicked ass on the lead guitar, but..it seemed the group was searching 4 an identity...they were warmly applauded 4 their efforts.

Later that night, Celia Cruz (71 years old!!!) the "queen of the salsa sound" kicked the show's ass! Afterwards, her per4mance was rewarded with one of the 2 standing ovations given out that night. (She was so fucking incredible!)

If "America" is released as the 1st single, I can only hope the studio version sounds better than what I heard on the Grammy stage.

As usual, thank u DavidEye, 4 the up-2-date info on Carlos.

does he actually do much on this cd? or is it like the last one... where the guest stars write the songs and steal the show?

AaronForever said:

Although there are alot of guest stars on the CD,nothing can steal the show from Carlos' amazing guitar playing.But I think this will be the last "commercial" album from Carlos.He has hinted that he wants to release different types of albums in the future,including an all-instrumental CD called 'Hymns' and a complete Latin music album too.

DavidEye said:

I'm with Aaron. I liked SUPERNATURAL and CArlos deserves all the aplomb, but he's working too hard at duplicating that vision into a formula. I'm trying to be optimistic, but it's really hard!

Wake me when the next album's out.

when did Carlos Santana Morph into Quincy Jones? Back to Back 99 Guests&things.

mistermaxxx said:

I think the common link here is Michael Jackson. I also suspect Bootsy is copying Santana's example!

PFunkjazz said:

I use Quincy Jones Because He doesn't sing usually on Record like MJ did.also MJ while having Guests since "Off the Wall" wasn't sharing the "NAME" Bill like Quincy does&Now Carlos does.Everybody got that Concept from Quincy because Q isn't a Singer.Peace

mistermaxxx said:

Not quite my point.

I suspect there was specific conversation between MJ and Santana regarding a formula for success. I see a lot of dabbling by Clive Davis, who ran things for awhile at Columbia/Epic where both artists recorded.

PFunkjazz said:

CLive was long Gone by the time MJ&His Brothers came over to CB/Sony back in late 75 early 76.Clive was at Arista working with Barry Manilow among others.MJ had Associations as a Solo Artist with Walter Yentikoff the former CEO of Sony who happen to Hook up Tommy Mottola.BTW Yentikoff has a Book coming out next year.Carlos always Mentions Quincy Jones as far as doing those type of Albums.when He was talking about this Album last Year Quincy Jones's Name was the first He mentioned on this type of Project.MJ&Carlos Prior to the past few Years didn't have much association.Clive was dropped by CBS back in 73 following His Payola&Shaddy Loot Scandal.MJ&Clive have never worked together.Jermaine did However work with Clive.from 84-91.CLive did state recently He felt MJ still had Hits in Him&He still thought of Him as a Talented Cat but He didn't agree with MJ's Press Conference.He did Say though He would Sign MJ if He was able to.

BTW he's working on a track 4 L-Boogie's upcoming LP(AGAIN )

Not an official info Dave ppl in her board are buzzing about it like crazy. You should come back there sometimes ya know

mistermaxxx said:

OK you have more precise information, but you see my point. Between Carlos, MJ and Clive Davis there's the germ of an idea that being derived as a formula for making an album of success for superstar talent looking to make a comeback. All fingers end up pointing to Q!

BTW: I know for a fact the Isleys pulled it off last year with Eternal, cuz there was a big hullabaloo about using Santana's formula. I wouldn't be surprisedif Maurcie White isn't trying to do the same thing with EW&F.

I just saw a brand new JAMES BROWN cd in the store! tought I was dreaming!
[This message was edited Fri Sep 27 19:54:05 PDT 2002 by PFunkjazz]

EWF is trying to drop there set on Def Classic Soul.they left Wyclif&Sony again.

mistermaxxx said:

On Sat, went to a outdoors concert in Moreno Valley, Calif. Garry Bias of EWF did a great set of jazz funk incluidng numbers like Little Sunlflower and [/b]Sugar[/b],plus some originals. He featured two players who are part of EWF's road band. These guys have bonafide chops and are top-drawer. A GOOD SIGN!!!

PFunkjazz said:

Sounds Great Man thank you for telling me.Al Mckay&Larry Dunn are Back so that is promising I hope? you did get me thinking about EWF with the Quincy&Santana,Isley way of coming back.EWF did this back on the "I Am" Album when they hooked up with David Foster,Jay Gradon&others.Sadly though over time that Wrecked there trademark Sound.but nevertheless they are My All-Time Favorite Band.they have Some Badd Players up in there IMHO.Garry is badd.Peace