Janet will always have her fanbase. i think when 20y.o. (good album but perhaps the dumbest title in history) debuted at #2, that was proof of it. thinking back on it, i don't think most people really cared about her tit. the media made it into more of a monster than it was. but her lying about it is what did her in. not owning up to it. then coming back and apologizing. she picked the wrong audience to pull that stunt with. and the little bitch that performed with her was no help either.

i think at this stage she needs to pull back from being the "superstar" and reconnect with her audiences. maybe surprise shows at small venues, clubs,etc. but it's good that she keeps working. keep putting out albums. but she does need to strip away from her formula of the soft beats , sex kitten coos, school girl sex talks. DO THAT DAMN ROCK ALBUM ALREADY JANET!!!

maybe change management.i don't know. so i don't think she's over, just yet. but if she follows the same script for the next couple of albums, then i think it's a safe bet to say that her superstar status and chart topping history days are over.

maybe this would be a good time to just release a HITS VOL 2, add a couple extra new tracks, promote it, do a tour, and again reconnect with her audience and fan base. fuck it, at this stage, even do a reality show if you must. what've you got to lose?

maybe her recent company has something to do with it
















though Janet looks like she's scared.

badujunkie said:

#2. 1-6 The same thing i have been saying for awhile now. I agree with ya also. I think she could make a big comeback, if she sticks to that format.

CHIC0 said:

TotalAlisa said:

badujunkie said:

She got too many fans to say she's over. She needs to re invent her self. Period

She should probably get her huge ass in check before anything


Smooches;)
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badujunkie said:

1. Agreed
2. Let them produce about 2 songs. If Anything it could be album filler.
3. Cut it down some.
4. Do NOT do anything remotely like Madonna.
5. Yes! Show Rihanna and Ciara how it's really done
6. If she wants to get her songs played on the radio again, This is the route she'll have to go.

I listened to tons of janet today, I put on control, velvet rope and damita jo and can't wait to hear what she puts out next, I hope it's good.

2freaky4church1 said:

Yep! She sucks so much there are countless threads about her. And, folks are wishing her the best and pulling for her. Even so-called haters and closet Janet fans can't deny they want to see something different from Janet. Point is, they (the music buying public) are STILL paying attention to her and are waiting to be wowed. Allot are eagarly anticipating her new material to see just what she has to offer THIS time. Yeah. Right. I'd say she pretty much sucks too. I sincerely wish her well. I won't say what she should or shouldn't do musically or image wise. I'm not an authority on ANY celebrity, nor am I experience in giving criticism to that effect like allot of you. But, I tryly wish MISS JACKSON well and look forward to new music from her. No one from the 80s, who happens to STILL be relevant (and there aren't many) is selling like they use to. Is STING, LIONEL RICHIE, MICHAEL JACKSON, PRINCE, OR MADONNA. But, unfortunately JANET will catch hell for the latter. How unfortunate....

the only debate is that the music business is jacked up u got all the janet wannabes who r less talented out there and they sellin so janet shouldnt have 2 do shit but b janet and sell millions

alphastreet said:

yeah she made alot of good music and i just hope she can continue to do so

kaptainkrunk said:

BRAVO!!!!! Very well said!!!!!

ThePunisher said:

Why not. It wasn't until she stopped following Madonna's example that she started to lose success, such as repeating herself.
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jayaredee said:

"She wouldn't have the brains to"? She can't be too unintelligent. She's been in the music business longer than allot of us have been alive. She can't be too dumb for that! Madonna and Janet are two different artists anyway. Why would some expect Janet to be like Madonna and vice versa. Let Madonna be and do Madonna. Let Janet be and do Janet. I realize it might be hard for some to get or understand. There are songs and images best for Madonna that Janet should not try,nor would she, I doubt. And, there are songs and images best for Janet that Madonna wouldn't try, nor would she. I guess that's why they truly ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARTISTS!

DawnD said:

No they're not that different. They're pop artists that use their images to their advantage. They're not the best singers and work with extremely talented producers. I don't get why they're considered different artists. They're really similar. This is why their fans feud so often.

I used a poor choice of words, which is why i edited my original post. But when i meant she "wouldn't have the brains to" I didn't mean she was not intelligent. But when something doesn't work, Madonna picks up her crown and moves on. Janet has been holding on to the same unsuccessful formula for so long now. It's time for her to get with it and move on.
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jayaredee said:

Okay, such as? I mean, from what you're saying allot of artists that are out now are very much like Janet and Madonna. But, I have said before that IMAGE takes a front seat to TALENT anyway. So, are the similarities that they work with great producers and are not the best singers. That's why they are similar. Countless artists are that way now. Well, then there's a considerable amount of female artists just like Madonna and Janet. Countless female artists that are just like the both of them.... I mean, I was under the impression that a song like LIKE A VIRGIN and LIKE A PRAYER would be out of kilter for Janet. Just like a song like I GET LONELY and WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY would be out of kilter for Madonna.

DawnD said:

The thing is...Madonna actually grows and evolves as an artist.She's never been afraid to try new beats and sounds.The Madonna of 2007 is totally different than the Madonna of 1993.I'm saying that Janet needs to evolve a little....grow as an artist,and leave the past behind.There's nothing wrong with re-inventing yourself.

CHIC0 said:

A change of management would be a good start.She needs to stop taking advice from her fiance,and find an aggressive new manager who will tell her the truth.

A Greatest Hits Vol.2 compilation would be a cool idea,followed by a big tour.She could remind people why they became fans in the first place.This would give a little more time to re-think her next album and where she wants to go,musically.

Is she still on Virgin Records?

Cinnie said:

No,she's moving over to Def Jam (I think)

SoulAlive said:

I was just thinking about how a new greatest hits volume 2 would work given her relationship with virgin records.

We might see one anyway as contractual filler.

jayaredee said:

You see that’s the difference with Madonna and Janet. Janet is herself, what she sings is what SHE WANTS TO SING ABOUT. She doesn't care what people think. As a huge Janet fan I don't particularly like the over-sexed image she has. But i have to respect that it's her choice.

You think someone who only cares about selling records would release an album like "damita jo" with songs like "sexhibition" , "moist" and "warmth" straight after superbowl? She has a huge amount of balls to do that

Madonna is such a media whore that I have to question if anything she does in her career is genuine or is there some hidden agenda??

mancabdriver said:

so,you're saying that Janet wants to sing about her sex life over and over and over and over again? If that's true,she's a one-dimensional artist,dontcha think? More likely,she is stuck in a creative rut....unsure of where to go,musically.And oh yeah....it doesn't take alot of balls to keep repeating yourself over and over.Writing songs about getting laid is actually very easy.

"Madonna is such a media whore that I have to question if anything she does in her career is genuine or is there some hidden agenda??"

There's no hidden agenda in trying new beats,evolving as an artist,and re-inventing yourself I really don't care about her motivation for doing this.The end result is that she doesn't make the same album over and over.

SoulAlive said:

yeah Janet may be one-dimensional. But she still sings about what she wants. Not some calculated decsion to see if her next re-invention will be a hit or a miss with the public


Madonna is not genuine when it comes to her image:

i.e. the whole spiritual, henna, indian phase. Singing "shanti", in which she doesn't understand the meaning behind it.

- the whole war in iraq thing - pretending that she actually gives a shit about the war in american life....

- and adopting the kid from Africa, i'm sure its a phase and she will send him back when she gets bored with him, 'cause we all know she doesn't stick to one thing.

mancabdriver said:

So,you admit that Janet is one-dimensional and that's cool with you?

Whatever Madonna goes through,spiritually,none of us can say if she's genuine or not.That's a personal matter and who cares,anyway?

Like I said,I don't care about Madonna's motivations for re-inventing herself.The only thing that matters is,her albums sound different.The beats aren't the same.She tries new stuff.Janet has made the same album several times now.

SoulAlive said:

to tell you the truth, i don't care that much

i really like "moist", "take care" and "love to love". Janet is an R&b artist, people expect sensual songs to get down to from her. They don't expect it from Madonna.

and i think "enjoy" , "island life", "i want you" , "i'm here" and "roll widchu" are some of Janet's best songs.

i don't think the problem is with the output but the support of the media and public (although the videos for 20yo were pretty poor)

btw: i think that "sorry" and "hung up" are some of Madonna's worst songs.
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Madonna and Janet are more alike as entertainers. They’ve relied heavily on their innovating visuals, sexuality and style with minimal vocal talent to create long lasting careers in the music industry that has crossed genres. For a time they were the only two women seriously churning it out.

But to me that's where the similarities end.

I’m done with trying to figure out what Janet should do because I really don’t know anymore. Plus I don’t really get a sense of what Janet herself truly wants to do.

As I've said before, she’s in a weird place in her career right now and audiences are incredibly fickle. She could fall deeper into the abyss or she climb out standing tall again. It could go either way. I won't count her out but I'm not going all in either.

What’s more perplexing is I meet more and more people who grew up on and love Janet but they don’t buy her music. They like her connection to the 80s, her placement in the Jackson family legacy and her iconic stature. They may even go to a concert but they are not holding their breath for her music or tickets like they do for legends like Sade, the Police, Madonna and Prince or even newer artists like Erykah Badu.

SoulAlive said:

Madonna grows and evolves as an artist. She samples other folks stuff just like every other artist out. She simply has the money to have extravagant stuff done at her concerts. When Janet had done something different on ALL FOR YOU, DAMITA JO and 20 Y.O. she was damn near crucified for it, cause folks want her to repeat CONTROL, RHYTHM NATION, JANET, and THE VELVET ROPE. Fact of the matter is Madonna can and does get away with stuff Janet can't and never will. What would folks say if Janet was working with Timbaland? But, at the same time, it'll be groundbreaking for Madonna to work with him. No, it's not fair. It's the truth, but it's not fair. See, that's why they are different. What one can do and be praised for by the media, the other would get scathing reviews and would be slammed left and right. The common thing here is they started making albums almost the same time and have both stood the test of time. Again, Janet should do Janet whether some agree or not. And, Madonna should do Madonna.

badujunkie said:

Janet can tour and make records but, she and her most avid fans need to come to grips with the fact that age does make a difference. She just turned 41 and she needs to act like it and not 21. That doesn't mean she can't be sexy but the bottom line is that there are a lot of 20-somethings with record deals and such now that have taken her place.

Personally I think she should try to get into acting more ... but that's just me.