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PrintableHarlepolis said: Timmy84 said: Yeah I remember that shit. Smokey was like "MOTOWN WAS BUILD ON INTEGRITY AND BERRY GORDY WAS AN INTEGRAL MAN"... bitch-ass should've shut the hell up because he was the LUCKIEST of all the Motown artists. THE LUCKIEST! I wonder what Norman Whitfield would've said on the other hand? 
Fact is, I've yet to hear about his opinion about the musical OR the movie  he was the 1st one who went public against Motown I think, before Diane, Marvin and Gladys. I'm sure he had a thing or 2 about the whole thing.No, I think Brenda Holloway was the first. I remember as early as "Every Little Bit Hurts" where she complained that Motown tried building her as the next Mary Wells and she exited out of the label because she felt limiting in the label. Berry was all too focused on making Diane his superstar that every other artist, male and female, got knocked back a few steps.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said: I wonder what Norman Whitfield would've said on the other hand?
Fact is, I've yet to hear about his opinion about the musical OR the movie he was the 1st one who went public against Motown I think, before Diane, Marvin and Gladys. I'm sure he had a thing or 2 about the whole thing.No, I think Brenda Holloway was the first. I remember as early as "Every Little Bit Hurts" where she complained that Motown tried building her as the next Mary Wells and she exited out of the label because she felt limiting in the label. Berry was all too focused on making Diane his superstar that every other artist, male and female, got knocked back a few steps. I think it was Kim Weston who said "These 2 are lucky nobody chased after them with a baseball bat"
I 4got all about Ms.Holloway,,,and Isley Bros too. Damn, come to think of it, a loads of people | |
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Harlepolis said: Timmy84 said: No, I think Brenda Holloway was the first. I remember as early as "Every Little Bit Hurts" where she complained that Motown tried building her as the next Mary Wells and she exited out of the label because she felt limiting in the label. Berry was all too focused on making Diane his superstar that every other artist, male and female, got knocked back a few steps. I think it was Kim Weston who said "These 2 are lucky nobody chased after them with a baseball bat"
I 4got all about Ms.Holloway,,,and Isley Bros too. Damn, come to think of it, a loads of people  A lot of people always show snide towards Diane nowadays if they were part of the Motown family. That's why she's got few friends now because she had the boss' number. | |
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I've read Mary Wilson's books, Raynoma Gordy (Barry's ex-wife) book, the "Call Her Miss Ross" book and the book written by the guy who was David Ruffin's assistant or something like that during the latter part of his career. Good reads and boy do they paint "Miss Ross" in an unflattering light. Two of my favorite anecdotes are the problems she had with Marvin Gaye when they recorded "My Mistake" because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed in the studio. She complained to Berry but Marvin continued to indulge in the weed.
The book David Ritz wrote about Marvin Gaye, "Divided Soul", is excellent, too. The other is when David Ruffin supposedly got up in her face and said, "Whose d**k are you sucking now?". Classic stuff. According to a new book on Diana Ross that's coming out, she would take her kids on tour with her and a young Tracey Ellis Ross would carry a notebook around with her and keep tabs on Diana's assistants. She would tattle on them if they did something her mom wouldn't approve of. My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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JesseDezz said: I've read Mary Wilson's books, Raynoma Gordy (Barry's ex-wife) book, the "Call Her Miss Ross" book and the book written by the guy who was David Ruffin's assistant or something like that during the latter part of his career. Good reads and boy do they paint "Miss Ross" in an unflattering light. Two of my favorite anecdotes are the problems she had with Marvin Gaye when they recorded "My Mistake" because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed in the studio. She complained to Berry but Marvin continued to indulge in the weed.
The book David Ritz wrote about Marvin Gaye, "Divided Soul", is excellent, too. The other is when David Ruffin supposedly got up in her face and said, "Whose d**k are you sucking now?". Classic stuff. According to a new book on Diana Ross that's coming out, she would take her kids on tour with her and a young Tracey Ellis Ross would carry a notebook around with her and keep tabs on Diana's assistants. She would tattle on them if they did something her mom wouldn't approve of. I heard about all of that. She should've known better @ Marvin... brother wouldn't budge for Berry, you think he stop for Diane? Hell 2 tha naw. | |
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Diana obviously stepped on alot of people's toes from Glady's Knight to Florence Ballard, but I admire her still. She wasn't greatest singer at Motown and I think she knew that, so she used other things to get her ahead including her force of character. She did what Madonna did 20 yrs later, infact inspite of all her short-comings I still say she is a better singer and actress than Madonna could ever be. | |
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JesseDezz said: I've read Mary Wilson's books, Raynoma Gordy (Barry's ex-wife) book, the "Call Her Miss Ross" book and the book written by the guy who was David Ruffin's assistant or something like that during the latter part of his career. Good reads and boy do they paint "Miss Ross" in an unflattering light. Two of my favorite anecdotes are the problems she had with Marvin Gaye when they recorded "My Mistake" because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed in the studio. She complained to Berry but Marvin continued to indulge in the weed.
The book David Ritz wrote about Marvin Gaye, "Divided Soul", is excellent, too. The other is when David Ruffin supposedly got up in her face and said, "Whose d**k are you sucking now?". Classic stuff. According to a new book on Diana Ross that's coming out, she would take her kids on tour with her and a young Tracey Ellis Ross would carry a notebook around with her and keep tabs on Diana's assistants. She would tattle on them if they did something her mom wouldn't approve of. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Diana obviously stepped on alot of people's toes from Glady's Knight to Florence Ballard, but I admire her still. She wasn't greatest singer at Motown and I think she knew that, so she used other things to get her ahead including her force of character. She did what Madonna did 20 yrs later, infact inspite of all her short-comings I still say she is a better singer and actress than Madonna could ever be.
I see your point when you compare the two, lol. But in my original post, I had hoped that Motown would have had Diane and Flo switch most of the lead vocals on the songs a'la Temptations. | |
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HOT DAMN  Dave Ruffin was truly a wild cat
What was the cause of their confrontation?
Ya'll should hear Wilso Pickett's take on Diane from the movie "Only the strong survives",,,he was like "I remember Diana Ross was the ugliest thing on this side of earth now she's the finest thing on this side of earth".
He joked about Martha(from the Vandellas) too, he said to the filmmaker; WP - Is Martha in this film? FM - No WP- good,,I mean BAD BAAAD!
FM - We ain't having none of that tonight 
WP - Noooo we're not 
I wonder whats the "inside" joke? | |
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Harlepolis said: HOT DAMN
Dave Ruffin was truly a wild cat
What was the cause of their confrontation?
Ya'll should hear Wilso Pickett's take on Diane from the movie "Only the strong survives",,,he was like "I remember Diana Ross was the ugliest thing on this side of earth now she's the finest thing on this side of earth".
He joked about Martha(from the Vandellas) too, he said to the filmmaker; WP - Is Martha in this film? FM - No WP- good,,I mean BAD BAAAD!
FM - We ain't having none of that tonight
WP - Noooo we're not
I wonder whats the "inside" joke? Knowing "the Wicked Pickett", we'll never know. | |
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Timmy84 said: Harlepolis said: i PREFER Kim Weston and Brenda Holloway IMO they are the SOUL of Motown.....As a kid i had no idea who they were but i was drawn top their voices and to this DAY i am a fan 4EVER! These 2 ladies have a story and i think it should be heard....I also read The Marvelettes story as told by Katherine Anderson-Schaffner a VERY interesting read how their single Mr Postman pretty much financed motown and how berry just screwed them around.....WOW! The Motown era is an era i would love to have been there LITERALLY! I wonder what Norman Whitfield would've said on the other hand?
Fact is, I've yet to hear about his opinion about the musical OR the movie he was the 1st one who went public against Motown I think, before Diane, Marvin and Gladys. I'm sure he had a thing or 2 about the whole thing.No, I think Brenda Holloway was the first. I remember as early as "Every Little Bit Hurts" where she complained that Motown tried building her as the next Mary Wells and she exited out of the label because she felt limiting in the label. Berry was all too focused on making Diane his superstar that every other artist, male and female, got knocked back a few steps. | |
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Timmy84 said: MsLegs said: Hence, he's still married to he's wife til this day and not the mistress with love child. He was in full mind and not controlled by drug substances and didn't feel pressure by the Mistress religious affliations to engage in a shot gun marriage to the mistress like some people. Think about it. Diane probably thought Berry would dump his wife and really marry her. When Berry refused to leave his wife, she went off to marry (and date just) the white boys. It wasn't even a FULL year when Diane married her first husband.EXACTLY you hit the nail right on the head.I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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JesseDezz said: I've read Mary Wilson's books, Raynoma Gordy (Barry's ex-wife) book, the "Call Her Miss Ross" book and the book written by the guy who was David Ruffin's assistant or something like that during the latter part of his career. Good reads and boy do they paint "Miss Ross" in an unflattering light. Two of my favorite anecdotes are the problems she had with Marvin Gaye when they recorded "My Mistake" because Marvin wouldn't stop smoking weed in the studio. She complained to Berry but Marvin continued to indulge in the weed.
The book David Ritz wrote about Marvin Gaye, "Divided Soul", is excellent, too. The other is when David Ruffin supposedly got up in her face and said, "Whose d**k are you sucking now?". Classic stuff. According to a new book on Diana Ross that's coming out, she would take her kids on tour with her and a young Tracey Ellis Ross would carry a notebook around with her and keep tabs on Diana's assistants. She would tattle on them if they did something her mom wouldn't approve of. damn wish i was there when that went down so i could have been laughing my ass off!!!!  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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