Ellie said:

he doesnt sound good live

BlaqueKnight said:

Preciely. BK, you broke it all the way down. Trying to compare George Micheal to Robin thick is the equivlent of comparing Salmon and sardeines.

Hell, George Michael held his own against Aretha too!

Ellie said:

The duet was tight.

George Michael has a much better voice. He's like 3x more talented than Thicke is. Robin Thicke is overrated, there's just no comparison here at all.
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And though neither can dance, George Michael looks quite cute and dorky. Thicke looks like he's desperate for a wee.
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BlaqueKnight said:

You do realize not one person in this thread said Robin is better than George, right? Vocally, there's no comparison at all. Still, Thicke has two great albums under his belt IMO, so his career looks pretty promising.

You reminded me of something I forgot: they both have done duets with R&B stars.

George Michael: Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston, Jody Watley, Mary J. Blige
Robin Thicke: Faith Evans, Mary J. Blige

AlexdeParis said:

THICKE IS BETTER NOW

Umm, what would be the point in comparing the two

Honestly, the only comparison I can think of is that I have some George Michael cd's but I have nothing by Robin Thicke... & I wish tv & Oprah & errrrybody else would stop trying to jam that mf down my throat!




Carry on

CalhounSq said:

Never thought of them being similar in any way.

dag said:

they both white and they are and were the best thing in black music.....kinda like steve nash winning the mvp in basketball

icke4presidant said:

Absolutely!! There is no comparison.

BlaqueKnight said:

mirrorbestfriend said:

So says the white mainstream. I can damn well guarentee you that its not the predominantly black R&B/Neo-soul crowd that kept Robin Thicke at #1 on the R&B charts for 11 weeks; it was the "mainstream" pop crowd. Best thing in R&B my ass.
I get tired of "mainstream" America declaring themselves the "best" just because they showed up and are white. Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone, and Robin Thicke are all HIGHLY overrated. Just because you have a couple of white girls that can sing doesn't make them the best. Chrisette Michele and Lina KILL Amy Winehouse at doing the same thing that she's doing but will not get as much love because Viacom and the majors aren't going to pump black women in music as much unless they are on some Beyoncé T&A show type shit. Joss Stone...don't even get me started on her bland ass. I haven't heard a song she's done yet that perked my interest. She can sing but she's lifeless. NO SOUL IN HER VOICE. Robin is another pretty boy from a rich family (both parents celebs). Its no surprise that he'd attain some degree of success, although he should thank Justin Femberlake for being the Michael Jackson of the moment so his label could use him to play against Justin. Its a label's chess game: let's play our white soul boy since now they are playing their R&B white boy. Robin's CD was out a year before anybody in the mainstream gave a shit. I talked about him on here ages ago, calling his record hit/miss (which it is) and way too mellow to make a mark. Anybody who thinks this guy is the best thing going in R&B doesn't know what R&B is and probably haven't listened to enough to know what's good or not. Either that or they are giving him "white boy points"; he showed up...and he's white...he must be the best! Whateva. He has ONE song under his belt that could be considered classic while artists like Maxwell have "Urban Hang Suite" - a WHOLE CD of classics, yet Robin's the best? Yeah.
Van Hunt put out what I think was the best CD of 2006; damn sure the best R&B CD of 2006 yet he gets swept under the rug for watered down bullshit like Robin's CD because "mainstream" wants to see one of their own represented in R&B and the media marketing machine gets wind of that and runs with it. That's okay. I'll take REAL R&B/Soul/neo-soul/whatever you want to call it over boring ass middle-of-the-road, mediocre, formulated pop R&B like what Robin is doing. George Michael was overrated in 1987-1988, too. He was NOT the best R&B act of that year but "mainstream" decided to support him and he got a Grammy for his song with Aretha which was a minor hit at best and then best album of 1988 for having what was basically a pop R&B album like Justin's is. George at least had a hot record to stand on, much in the same way that Justin does right now even though he is not the best either. Robin does not. He has a mid-tempo, hit-and-miss hodgepodge R&B CD mixed with samba beats and shit that detracts from the soul of R&B. Hids success is mainly due to marketing and having ONE good song for the public. That crap he did with Pharrell (Wanna Love You Girl) and that mess with Lil' Wayne (Shooter) sucked and faded fast like it should have. This record should have been out for the count but Justin happened and his label saw an opportunity.
I wasn't even going to go there with this but now that I have, you may refute and hate away. The truth is a hard pill to swallow.

BlaqueKnight said:

so because they not black they cant be the best?

eminem is the best rapper and people ok with that y not robin thicke for rand b?

well to me how can you compare George Michael and Robin Thicke? The two sing completely two different kinds of genre's of music.

Sure Robin's voice is lighter than George's, but still not comparable. George has been around longer, and has more hits, Robin just hit the scene this decade and sings more ballads than pop songs.

there is no room for comparison.

mirrorbestfriend said:

Who declared Eminem the best MC? Not the hip-hop community. He's nice on the mic, though. Nobody can deny his skill.
To answer your question, BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE BEST is why he shouldn't be deemed as such. Its not his color, its his skill level. How can a dude with a weak voice be called the best R&B singer? That's an insult to R&B singers. Go listen to Gerald Levert and then to Robin. Go listen to Maxwell then to Robin. If you come back and call Robin the "best" then you are biased and don't know great R&B. There are artists that I like better than others but I at least have the knowledge to understand the difference between my preference and what's real. My question to you is why does the "best" have to be a white male? Why are white males and females for that matter elevated by the mainstream to a higher level in non-mainstream music forms?

BlaqueKnight said:

That's not quite right. A prerelease version (with a considerably different tracklist) was leaked over a year ago, but the album didn't actually drop until October.


I definitely agree that On the Jungle Floor was the best CD (R&B or otherwise) of 2006. Where we differ is that I think The Evolution of Robin Thicke is an easy #2.

BlaqueKnight said:

Well Stated. Good to see that you're once again telling it like it is.

Robin Thicke can't sing.

BlaqueKnight said:

Agreed. His appeal was definitely not with the those into real Hip-Hop/Rap, it just was those who are into crossover artist.

robin thicke sucks, george michael didnt

MsLegs said:

Before you say that, listen to some of his freestyles before he got picked up by Dre. No one could touch that kid in freestyling on their best day. Even though he lost to some other guy that no one really remembers. I will agree that, "NOW", he's not worth a pelting of pigeon shit. But, back then, the skill farther surpassed the hype. You've got to believe me on that one. There was no denying that boy's talent. His downfall was breakiing up/breaking off "Bad Meets Evil" with "Royce Da 5'9" and finding/signing "50 Cent"; Whom to which he became impressionable by and started taking on that "Gangster Persona" that we see being mixed with immaturity and a bunch of fart jokes, noises, and preschool-like sound effects. Will "The Real Slim Shady" please stand up?
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whenever I listened to robin thicke, I always thought of george michael but thought it was just me. George is way better of course though robin's stuff is good but won't be remembered years later the way careless whisper and faith are

FarrahMoan said:

I don't know who you listen to but Talieb could touch Em, Pharoah Monche could touch Em ANY DAY, Royce da 5'9" could touch Em ANY DAY - as a matter of fact Royce was the hotness in the D - not Em. I think you may have seen 8 mile too many times and started believing it. There's a long list of MCs that could best Em and cats like Rakim, KRS-1 and Chuck D that Em has never come close to. Go listen to Immortal Technique or even Canibus - YES CANIBUS! His written is far and above Eminem. Chamillionaire can touch Em in a battle. Do you know who Supernatural is? Em would get eaten alive in a freestyle battle with that cat. Em gets his respect because he is damn nice on the mic. The pop crowd decided he was the "best" but the pop crowd doesn't even know 1/3 of the MCs I named. True headz know what time it is. This is NOT an Eminem thread.
George Michael is nicer on the mic than Robin Thicke.
That is all.

BlaqueKnight said:

I don't even like "8 Mile" all that much. To be quite frank, I'm indifferent about the film. I don't think that guy deserved to win an oscar for an "Eminem" performance as actor. I'm telling the truth. The guy had it on the mic. Have you listened to Em' back in '97. If not, you can't tell me that "Royce Da 5'9" is better. Yeah, he'd probably be one hell of an opponent for him, but, I doubt that he would beat him. Em' used to have that smartass attitude on the mic when it came to rapping off-the-top. You could just tell that he had some talent, charisma, and could hold his own. I think that legends like "Rakim" and "Biggie Smalls" would kill Em' on the mic in their prime, but not now and not if "Notorious B.I.G." if he was alive. Hell, Rakim even once said that Em', in his prime (Which sadly worn out as soon as he rose to the top with the undeniable classic, "The Marshall Mathers LP"/ Although, I'm pretty sure that even that album has/had nothing on "Paid in Full". I could never disrespect a legend like Rakim.), was the most exciting element of his time. Now, Em has gotten worn out, but way back when, when he didn't like the reception of "Infinite", that was the brinking point for what had fueled the fire in this artist that became of "Slim Shady/Eminem"; at least up until "Late 2001". Em had mostly outshined Royce in most of their songs as "Bad Meets Evil". That's my honest opinion. I mean, Royce had his moments, but there was something about that "Marshall Bruce Mathers III" that stood out more than "Ryan Montgomery". You know what I mean? Talib Kweli is one hell of an MC from what I have gathered, heard, and can understand. I also like "Mos Def" whenever I hear the guy. But, I don't know, man. When Em' was in his prime, you couldn't deny that. Besides, doesn't he hate the "Pop" crowd that so adores him? From tracks like "Til' I Collapse" and "Sing For The Moment" (Although, I can barely stand about a little more than jalf of "The Eminem Show"), it has been obvious that he tries his damnedest to flag further over to the true "Hip-Hop Heads" that exist. But, I get what you are saying. This is about "George Michael" and "Robin Thicke". Well, I haven't heard "Robin Thicke" live, but on record, I have got to say that I like what I hear. As for "George Michael", all that I can remember is "Faith" and that other song which had a video including a bunch of models and kind of confused me a bit. Granted, the guy can sing pretty good from what I have heard.
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BlaqueKnight said:

Canibus was too real for the industry, on some next level type shit. He just had a bad run of luck after the whole LL thing.

lilgish said:

Oh, yeah! "Canibus" was, from what I listened to, an analytical lyricist. I don't know if you could really call him a rapper from the standpoint that his flow always seemed to have thrown me off....and I happen to have the habit of looking into a lot of things from beneath a superfluous view. He was a great poet. "Poet Laureate II" was pretty good. I listened to the whole thing and tried to intellectually trace it steb-by-step, but I wasn't successful. I will say one thing, though. I liked "Rip The Jacker". I mean, he told "LL" off. But, the majority chose "LL" because the majority were into "LL". I haven't always been crazy about Canibus' delivery with expression of words. It sometimes seemed like he had so much to say that it never came out in a rapper's sense of flow and rhythm. It was often like spoken word. I write like that sometimes. But, I favor Em's sense of flow better. I'd say that Canibus is the better poet, while Em' outshines him as a rapper. Sorry for the long post.
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