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Reply #60 posted 07/04/07 9:26pm

krayzie

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Raze said:

NorthernLad said:




maybe it's a dark comedy?



looking at him, it's more of a light comedy.


I don't see what it's co funny sad
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Reply #61 posted 07/04/07 9:50pm

skyecute

uPtoWnNY said:

skyecute said:

If it had been a Beatles, Madonna or even a Prince fan it would be considered cool or alright.



No, it would be just as nutty. There are fans, then there are fanatics. The fanatics(like that bird-brain in the photo) are the ones I laugh at. They'll believe anything.


So, you think that a person who believes in "freedom" and "peace" is nutty? It seems that the lady with the doves is not the nutty one. I really wonder about a person who would see something wrong with celebrating a person's freedom. How sad.
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Reply #62 posted 07/04/07 10:02pm

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skyecute said:

uPtoWnNY said:




No, it would be just as nutty. There are fans, then there are fanatics. The fanatics(like that bird-brain in the photo) are the ones I laugh at. They'll believe anything.


So, you think that a person who believes in "freedom" and "peace" is nutty? It seems that the lady with the doves is not the nutty one. I really wonder about a person who would see something wrong with celebrating a person's freedom. How sad.



hey, wait a minute.... is that you in that pic? eek
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Reply #63 posted 07/04/07 11:15pm

skyecute

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skyecute said:



So, you think that a person who believes in "freedom" and "peace" is nutty? It seems that the lady with the doves is not the nutty one. I really wonder about a person who would see something wrong with celebrating a person's freedom. How sad.



hey, wait a minute.... is that you in that pic? eek


Nope. I wouldn't have done what she did. I don't like birds. However, I admire her greatly for her peaceful tribute to an innocent man. Btw, I look nothing like the lady in the photo. My hair is black. cool
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Reply #64 posted 07/04/07 11:42pm

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you mean a man who was found "not guilty" wink
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Reply #65 posted 07/05/07 2:17am

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There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.
MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #66 posted 07/05/07 3:39am

Ottensen

seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.



Let's get one thing straight here:

We are all entitled to opinions and you have no right to tell me to keep my mouth shut about any topic of discussion here. You have about as much right to tell me to keep my mouth shut as I have to say FUCK YOU. finger Got that?

Second, I stand WHOLEY AND COMPLETELY by my assertion that a person who would take the time to attend a celebrity trial and release doves into the air at their acquittal is SICK. Yes that's right, certifiable. It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...and the best we she could come up with was releasing a freakin bird into the air to show her love of and solidarity with Micheal Jackson. Give me a break. Where the fuck was she with all that starry eyed enthusiasm on World Refugee Day of that year? Personally I was in a refugee center feeding underpriviled children on the RUN. Children who know the ravages of civil war, rape, hunger, prostitution,and child soldiering. That last thing I'm about to applaud is some bimbo releasing doves at the acquittal of a grown man who has an unnatural affinity for boys to the point of being brought to court for it twice.

Like it or not, that's how I feel. Michael Jackson can kiss my ass. Dove Lady can kiss my ass. And Mikey Jackson's delusional rabid portion of his fan base can kiss my ass to.

DONE. OVER. OUT wave
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Reply #67 posted 07/05/07 6:03am

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Ottensen said:

seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.



Let's get one thing straight here:

We are all entitled to opinions and you have no right to tell me to keep my mouth shut about any topic of discussion here. You have about as much right to tell me to keep my mouth shut as I have to say FUCK YOU. finger Got that?

Second, I stand WHOLEY AND COMPLETELY by my assertion that a person who would take the time to attend a celebrity trial and release doves into the air at their acquittal is SICK. Yes that's right, certifiable. It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...and the best we she could come up with was releasing a freakin bird into the air to show her love of and solidarity with Micheal Jackson. Give me a break. Where the fuck was she with all that starry eyed enthusiasm on World Refugee Day of that year? Personally I was in a refugee center feeding underpriviled children on the RUN. Children who know the ravages of civil war, rape, hunger, prostitution,and child soldiering. That last thing I'm about to applaud is some bimbo releasing doves at the acquittal of a grown man who has an unnatural affinity for boys to the point of being brought to court for it twice.

Like it or not, that's how I feel. Michael Jackson can kiss my ass. Dove Lady can kiss my ass. And Mikey Jackson's delusional rabid portion of his fan base can kiss my ass to.

DONE. OVER. OUT wave


And there it is...
I'm the first mammal to wear pants.
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Reply #68 posted 07/05/07 6:14am

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seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.


And people take it bad when I said MJ fans are nuts
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Reply #69 posted 07/05/07 6:14am

NorthernLad

Ottensen said:

seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.



Let's get one thing straight here:

We are all entitled to opinions and you have no right to tell me to keep my mouth shut about any topic of discussion here. You have about as much right to tell me to keep my mouth shut as I have to say FUCK YOU. finger Got that?

Second, I stand WHOLEY AND COMPLETELY by my assertion that a person who would take the time to attend a celebrity trial and release doves into the air at their acquittal is SICK. Yes that's right, certifiable. It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...and the best we she could come up with was releasing a freakin bird into the air to show her love of and solidarity with Micheal Jackson. Give me a break. Where the fuck was she with all that starry eyed enthusiasm on World Refugee Day of that year? Personally I was in a refugee center feeding underpriviled children on the RUN. Children who know the ravages of civil war, rape, hunger, prostitution,and child soldiering. That last thing I'm about to applaud is some bimbo releasing doves at the acquittal of a grown man who has an unnatural affinity for boys to the point of being brought to court for it twice.

Like it or not, that's how I feel. Michael Jackson can kiss my ass. Dove Lady can kiss my ass. And Mikey Jackson's delusional rabid portion of his fan base can kiss my ass to.

DONE. OVER. OUT wave



lol at "Dove Lady".

I personally adore the wackadoo faction of MJ fandom... their absolute inability to accept reality often results in long, hilarious threads like this one.
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Reply #70 posted 07/05/07 10:28am

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you see i dont know who to believe..
Roger, sure he's obsessed with michael
BUT he did back michael during the molestation allegations...
He was one of the first cats to say MJ didn't do it...
which was shocking to me...
And Raymone was dismissed by MJ's attorney...
so... its kinda hard to decide who to believe...

Was she really fired? I keep on getting mails with her statements from MJ fan clubs, so I kinda regard them as "legitimate" - as if she still works for him.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #71 posted 07/05/07 10:48am

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Ottensen said:

It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...


Instead they spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star.
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Reply #72 posted 07/05/07 11:08am

skyecute

Cloudbuster said:

Ottensen said:

It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...


Instead they spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star.


Not only do these hypocrites spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star, they are trying to tell another person(the "dove lady") how she should react. I wonder how these detractors would have reacted if they had been in the same situation. I guess getting drunk, drugged-out and trashing furniture or cars is a better example of showing elation than a lady peacefully releasing doves. These self-righteous creeps have the audacity to think that they can say anything and we just sit back and accept it. These same people are the main ones who cry foul when someone makes a crack about their favorite artist. Again DOUBLE STANDARDS rears its ugly head, and these people can't handle it when it is thrown into their faces.
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Reply #73 posted 07/05/07 11:15am

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skyecute said:

Cloudbuster said:



Instead they spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star.


Not only do these hypocrites spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star, they are trying to tell another person(the "dove lady") how she should react. I wonder how these detractors would have reacted if they had been in the same situation. I guess getting drunk, drugged-out and trashing furniture or cars is a better example of showing elation than a lady peacefully releasing doves. These self-righteous creeps have the audacity to think that they can say anything and we just sit back and accept it. These same people are the main ones who cry foul when someone makes a crack about their favorite artist. Again DOUBLE STANDARDS rears its ugly head, and these people can't handle it when it is thrown into their faces.


I don't bother reading the majority of MJ threads here anymore, nevermind posting. Same tiresome negative shit over and over and over... it's just a drag.
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Reply #74 posted 07/05/07 11:20am

skyecute

dag said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

you see i dont know who to believe..
Roger, sure he's obsessed with michael
BUT he did back michael during the molestation allegations...
He was one of the first cats to say MJ didn't do it...
which was shocking to me...
And Raymone was dismissed by MJ's attorney...
so... its kinda hard to decide who to believe...

Was she really fired? I keep on getting mails with her statements from MJ fan clubs, so I kinda regard them as "legitimate" - as if she still works for him.


Raymone has NEVER been fired by Michael. During the trial she and Michael's lawyer, Mesereau, had a disagreement about something and he said that she was fired. Michael IMMEDIATELY hired her back and she has been with him ever since. Not only is she is PR person, she is his General Manager. Will any of this change in the future, we will have to wait and see. In my opinion, she is doing better than any of his other PR reps that he had working for him. At least, she is not just sitting back and allowing rumors and lies to go unchallenged. I think that he needs a woman as his PR person. God knows that he needs someone that he can trust. Hopefully, Raymone is the one.
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Reply #75 posted 07/05/07 11:31am

skyecute

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skyecute said:



Not only do these hypocrites spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star, they are trying to tell another person(the "dove lady") how she should react. I wonder how these detractors would have reacted if they had been in the same situation. I guess getting drunk, drugged-out and trashing furniture or cars is a better example of showing elation than a lady peacefully releasing doves. These self-righteous creeps have the audacity to think that they can say anything and we just sit back and accept it. These same people are the main ones who cry foul when someone makes a crack about their favorite artist. Again DOUBLE STANDARDS rears its ugly head, and these people can't handle it when it is thrown into their faces.


I don't bother reading the majority of MJ threads here anymore, nevermind posting. Same tiresome negative shit over and over and over... it's just a drag.


Just wanted to say that the "negativity" doesn't start with the MJ fans. We only counter the negativity and some people don't like or can't handle the fact that we stand up for an artist the we support,respect and love-Michael Jackson. Now, if something is wrong with that, then so be it. We would expect for you to do the exact same thing for Prince or any other artist that you admire. Don't expect us to be any different than you are.
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Reply #76 posted 07/05/07 11:38am

Ottensen

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Ottensen said:

It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...


Instead they spend endless hours at a computer slagging off a pop star.


And who is this comment directed to? Man up, Son. wink
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Reply #77 posted 07/05/07 11:39am

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skyecute said:

Just wanted to say that the "negativity" doesn't start with the MJ fans. We only counter the negativity and some people don't like or can't handle the fact that we stand up for an artist the we support,respect and love-Michael Jackson. Now, if something is wrong with that, then so be it. We would expect for you to do the exact same thing for Prince or any other artist that you admire. Don't expect us to be any different than you are.


I know this, I am one. lol

However, I'm beyond even defending the guy these days. Waste of time.
But occasionally I drop by to watch the children play. wink
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Reply #78 posted 07/05/07 11:48am

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Ottensen said:

And who is this comment directed to? Man up, Son. wink


Guilty conscience? wink
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Reply #79 posted 07/05/07 1:04pm

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I think theres too much negatiivvity in thiis thread, and all for a damn woman releasing a dove?
acknowledging it period is stupid
so lets drop everything and get back on subject!

Roger is known for going off a tangent sometimes but i dunno he might be onto something...
i mean Michael claism to be working on music, yet every guy who's allegedly writing tthe songs, says that his camp hasn't returned back...
and Good ole mic does have a predilection for pain killers
and he might be depressed because ever since the molestation ttrial his whole world came crashing down. His whole world was rotten to the core and everybody lefft and right is suing him even his own family (randy)
So...

I don't know...
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Reply #80 posted 07/05/07 1:22pm

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Ottensen said:

seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007:roll:

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.



Let's get one thing straight here:

We are all entitled to opinions and you have no right to tell me to keep my mouth shut about any topic of discussion here. You have about as much right to tell me to keep my mouth shut as I have to say FUCK YOU. finger Got that?

Second, I stand WHOLEY AND COMPLETELY by my assertion that a person who would take the time to attend a celebrity trial and release doves into the air at their acquittal is SICK. Yes that's right, certifiable. It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...and the best we she could come up with was releasing a freakin bird into the air to show her love of and solidarity with Micheal Jackson. Give me a break. Where the fuck was she with all that starry eyed enthusiasm on World Refugee Day of that year? Personally I was in a refugee center feeding underpriviled children on the RUN. Children who know the ravages of civil war, rape, hunger, prostitution,and child soldiering. That last thing I'm about to applaud is some bimbo releasing doves at the acquittal of a grown man who has an unnatural affinity for boys to the point of being brought to court for it twice.

Like it or not, that's how I feel. Michael Jackson can kiss my ass. Dove Lady can kiss my ass. And Mikey Jackson's delusional rabid portion of his fan base can kiss my ass to.

DONE. OVER. OUT wave


Duh.....LOL eek eek

If MJ can kiss your ass then why you are viewing his threads and comment on them, This is hypocrisy on the highest level, I have never directly called you to shut up, and to be honest i have read your entire post and I have not find a good resason to call releasing a dove a sick thing, and you obviously ignorant about Mj's case, plain and simple, and also some comments of yours are completely Irrelevant, show me the proof that MJ is a child molester because you didn't ,all of your talk about him is just a bubble from a media ,I'm able to you show court transcripts under oath to prove his innocence, if the women believes in Mj's innocence then there is Absolutely nothing wrong with releasing a dove for his freedom,Nothing wrong with that, Deal with it.
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #81 posted 07/05/07 1:32pm

seeingvoices12

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krayzie said:



And people take it bad when I said MJ fans are nuts


so I'm nut for stating my opinion,I don't have to agree with you to be a sane person you know whistling
MICHAEL JACKSON
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مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #82 posted 07/05/07 3:05pm

Cloudbuster

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seeingvoices12 said:

Ottensen said:

Let's get one thing straight here:

We are all entitled to opinions and you have no right to tell me to keep my mouth shut about any topic of discussion here. You have about as much right to tell me to keep my mouth shut as I have to say FUCK YOU. finger Got that?

Second, I stand WHOLEY AND COMPLETELY by my assertion that a person who would take the time to attend a celebrity trial and release doves into the air at their acquittal is SICK. Yes that's right, certifiable. It is my personal belief that with all of the IMPORTANT issues challenging this earth, isues in need people who can put themselves to constructive use in easing the true ills of the world...and the best we she could come up with was releasing a freakin bird into the air to show her love of and solidarity with Micheal Jackson. Give me a break. Where the fuck was she with all that starry eyed enthusiasm on World Refugee Day of that year? Personally I was in a refugee center feeding underpriviled children on the RUN. Children who know the ravages of civil war, rape, hunger, prostitution,and child soldiering. That last thing I'm about to applaud is some bimbo releasing doves at the acquittal of a grown man who has an unnatural affinity for boys to the point of being brought to court for it twice.

Like it or not, that's how I feel. Michael Jackson can kiss my ass. Dove Lady can kiss my ass. And Mikey Jackson's delusional rabid portion of his fan base can kiss my ass to.

DONE. OVER. OUT wave


Duh.....LOL eek eek

If MJ can kiss your ass then why you are viewing his threads and comment on them, This is hypocrisy on the highest level, I have never directly called you to shut up, and to be honest i have read your entire post and I have not find a good resason to call releasing a dove a sick thing, and you obviously ignorant about Mj's case, plain and simple, and also some comments of yours are completely Irrelevant, show me the proof that MJ is a child molester because you didn't ,all of your talk about him is just a bubble from a media ,I'm able to you show court transcripts under oath to prove his innocence, if the women believes in Mj's innocence then there is Absolutely nothing wrong with releasing a dove for his freedom,Nothing wrong with that, Deal with it.


Don't bite the bait. wink
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Reply #83 posted 07/05/07 3:10pm

mimi07

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Raze said:

skyecute said:





No, that's loyalty,love and support. Being a proud Michael Jackson fan is more than just supporting the man's music. We support HIM. Sorry, if you don't understand that; but, that's your problem, not mine. Of course, you know that some people think that Prince fans are certifiable; but,that's another story. smile



no, sorry, that's insanity, especially at that woman's age. and if you don't see it, maybe you should find a psychiatrist yourself.
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it's not insanity and it doesn't matter her age. what is so wrong with releasing a dove for every not guilty verdict? it's symbolizes freedom and it was important to her because she obviously really supports michael. i think it's really sweet and sometimes a little funny but it's not insane.
[Edited 7/5/07 15:16pm]
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Reply #84 posted 07/05/07 3:11pm

Cloudbuster

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mimi07 said:

Raze said:

no, sorry, that's insanity, especially at that woman's age. and if you don't see it, maybe you should find a psychiatrist yourself.


it's not insanity and it doesn't matter her age. what is so wrong with releasing a dove for every not guilty verdict? it's symbolizes freedom and it was important to her because she ovisouly really supports michael. i think it's really sweet and sometimes a little funny but it's not insane.


Don't bite the bait. wink
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Reply #85 posted 07/05/07 3:15pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

There are some many disgusting comments here...

How in hell releasing a dove from someone's Acquittal considered be sick? Thats ridiculous and Obnoxious, you people Make me wonder.... If you didn't read court transcripts about MJ's trial then you have no right whatsoever to open your mouth, period.

And about MJ is not the biological father? show me the evidence to prove the contrary , Mj's son Prince has a dark skin ,and I don't know from where you guys got the notion that they are not his children .....Its Absolutely from the tabloid junkie and gossip trash, nothing more nothing less.

And about plastic surgery? some of stroies you guys saying are really getting old,,we are in 2007 rolleyes

Put the freaking personal matters of artists aside and Appreciate the music, If I care about the looks and private life of artists then I wouldn't listen to many many artists.....stop concerning about silly things.


i agree
"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #86 posted 07/05/07 6:56pm

uPtoWnNY

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lol at "Dove Lady".

I personally adore the wackadoo faction of MJ fandom... their absolute inability to accept reality often results in long, hilarious threads like this one.



So do I - they are fun, aren't they? biggrin

I respect their devotion to Peter Pan, though. As much as I like Prince, I wouldn't go the extra mile for him like these cats do with Michael. If Prince was on trial, you wouldn't see me standing in front of the courthouse with the lunatic legion. I got bills to pay.
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