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PrintableEmbattledWarrior said: you see i dont know who to believe..
Roger, sure he's obsessed with michael BUT he did back michael during the molestation allegations... He was one of the first cats to say MJ didn't do it... which was shocking to me... And Raymone was dismissed by MJ's attorney... so... its kinda hard to decide who to believe... It's very easy to NOT believe Roger Friedman. If you have followed his trail of lies and rumors, then you know that the man is obsessed to the point of being sick. As far as Roger believing that Michael was innocent, that's because he followed the facts of the trial as Geraldo Rivera did. These two were one of the few media types who actually looked at the FACTS of that case and knew that it was a scam. That still doesn't take away from the fact that Roger had "sources" in MJ's camp who were feeding him rumors about his financial matters. The problem was that these "sources" were the same ones who were stealing Michael's money behind his back and trying to destroy him. Roger's knowledge and belief in Michael's innocence has nothing to do with his MJ obsession. BTW, Raymone's firing by Mesereau had nothing to do with Michael's case, trial or personal affairs. That is the very reason that she was rehired BY Michael within a day or two. [Edited 7/3/07 11:22am] | |
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Ottensen said: skyecute said: When did Michael say that he only had two nose jobs? Do you actually think that Michael would claim that his children were his biological children if they weren't? By now, some one would have come forward and claimed to be the real father. No one has done that because they know that Michael can prove that he IS the biological father. You really believe that huh?  In any event, he has said during one of his rare tv interviews that he's only had two nose jobs (I think it was his Oprah interview). And when he said it I do b'lieve I heard thunderous, uninterrupted bellows of laughter all around the world causing the earth to rumble and shake  Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white. | |
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skyecute said: Ottensen said: You really believe that huh? In any event, he has said during one of his rare tv interviews that he's only had two nose jobs (I think it was his Oprah interview). And when he said it I do b'lieve I heard thunderous, uninterrupted bellows of laughter all around the world causing the earth to rumble and shake Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white. Not to be mean, but- skin disease my ass...and how do you know what way in hell Michael Jackson would or wouldn't do didley squat? You sound as if you know the man  | |
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skyecute said: Ottensen said: You really believe that huh? In any event, he has said during one of his rare tv interviews that he's only had two nose jobs (I think it was his Oprah interview). And when he said it I do b'lieve I heard thunderous, uninterrupted bellows of laughter all around the world causing the earth to rumble and shake Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white. 
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. | |
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krayzie said: skyecute said: Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white.
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. shut up you sound so racist, i actually know MANY people that are black that hav children with white people and their children look like they're 100% white, so i'm not gonna judge michael. if he says they're his children and their mother says they're his children i'm gonna just leave it at that, plus why do you and whomever care. so unless u were there when they were concieved just keep your 2 cents to urself "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: krayzie said:
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. shut up you sound so racist, i actually know MANY people that are black that hav children with white people and their children look like they're 100% white, so i'm not gonna judge michael. if he says they're his children and their mother says they're his children i'm gonna just leave it at that, plus why do you and whomever care. so unless u were there when they were concieved just keep your 2 cents to urself Seems like you are living in the same fantasy world | |
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skyecute said: Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children.
Suppose he was sterile? Suppose doctors convinced him that he would pass on his skin disease if he fathered children - do you think that could have an effect on his decision? How can you say "no way in hell would he allow another's man sperm to father his children" - do you have a personal relationship with MJ or is this all just your opinion? The key part of you statement is "I believe" because its all based on your thoughts & no facts. | |
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krayzie said: mimi07 said: shut up you sound so racist, i actually know MANY people that are black that hav children with white people and their children look like they're 100% white, so i'm not gonna judge michael. if he says they're his children and their mother says they're his children i'm gonna just leave it at that, plus why do you and whomever care. so unless u were there when they were concieved just keep your 2 cents to urself Seems like you are living in the same fantasy world Krayzie u need to get a new hobbie and stop bothering the poor lil mj fans And doorkeeper, i never thought of that thats incredibly logical... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Ottensen said: skyecute said: Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white. Not to be mean, but- skin disease my ass...and how do you know what way in hell Michael Jackson would or wouldn't do didley squat? You sound as if you know the man Not to be mean, but do YOU have any proof that he does not have a "skin disease"(vitiligo)? I hear all of this crap from people who say that he doesn't have vitiligo, but can you or anybody else prove that he doesn't have this skin disease? The day after Michael revealed to Oprah that he had the skin disease, his doctor CONFIRMED that he had vitiligo. Again, as much as Michael wanted to be a father, he would NEVER use another man's sperm to father his children. Do you or anyone else actually think that he would take that chance. As I previously stated, there is no way in hell that he would have someone else father his children. Just as you believe that he is not the biological father, I believe that he is. Hopefully, you understand that my reasons for believing MJ's children are biologically his are even stronger than your belief that they are not. Until someone proves me wrong, then I will continue to believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. | |
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krayzie said: skyecute said: Of course, I believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. As much as Michael wanted to become a father there was no way in hell that he would allow another man's sperm to father his children. See, I just use common sense. There has never been anyone who has shown any proof that documents that these are not Michael's children. With all of the things that have been leaked, speculated and rumored, IF anyone had proof it would have been all over the media. Michael has said that he had surgeries on two parts of his body-nose and a chin cleft. It doesn't matter if he has had touch-ups on his nose, because he has already admitted YEARS ago that he had his nose done. Therefore, he is not lying when he says that he has had TWO surgeries-nose and chin cleft. Oprah asked him if it were true that he had plastic surgery on his cheeks,eyes,lips and skin. He became defiant and angry and held up TWO fingers and said:"I have not had surgery on my eyes, cheeks,lips, or skin." He then went on to explain that he had had surgery on two things and that he had a "skin disease" that turned his skin white.
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. Sweetie, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are living in some "fantasy world". Haven't you ever heard of different opinions? | |
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skyecute said: Again, as much as Michael wanted to be a father, he would NEVER use another man's sperm to father his children.
In your opinion but not based on any facts. | |
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Axchi696 said: Raze said: I'll probably sleep alright. Remember that this is from the faction that brought you this wonderful example of being out of touch with reality...  
To this day I still don't get why that was necessary, lol. LOL @ this thread though. I rather Mike just release music than pay attention to any of this. I'm getting so tired of hearing about Mike and another lawsuit but it's like become commonplace. [Edited 7/3/07 21:09pm] | |
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skyecute said: Ottensen said: Not to be mean, but- skin disease my ass...and how do you know what way in hell Michael Jackson would or wouldn't do didley squat? You sound as if you know the man Not to be mean, but do YOU have any proof that he does not have a "skin disease"(vitiligo)? I hear all of this crap from people who say that he doesn't have vitiligo, but can you or anybody else prove that he doesn't have this skin disease? The day after Michael revealed to Oprah that he had the skin disease, his doctor CONFIRMED that he had vitiligo. Again, as much as Michael wanted to be a father, he would NEVER use another man's sperm to father his children. Do you or anyone else actually think that he would take that chance. As I previously stated, there is no way in hell that he would have someone else father his children. Just as you believe that he is not the biological father, I believe that he is. Hopefully, you understand that my reasons for believing MJ's children are biologically his are even stronger than your belief that they are not. Until someone proves me wrong, then I will continue to believe that Michael is the biological father of his children. Trust me, I could care less whether those kids are his or Metheselem's. Big Whoop. However, does having his sister state flat out to me that he's undergone years of procedures to have his skin lightened count as proof his claims to vitiligo are bogus...? Just wondering...
Now I'll shut the fuck up because in no way is it ever, EVER cool for me to put my work activities on shout. But since you HAD to nitpick  | |
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Ottensen said: Axchi696 said: Remember that this is from the faction that brought you this wonderful example of being out of touch with reality... That is just...SICK. Tell me about it. And I thought hardcore Elvis fans were lunatics. All of these space cadets should be locked away in a rubber room. Just pray they don't have jobs involving public safety. | |
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Maybe I'm just really slow, you know, with me being a Michael Jackson fan and all, but what is so "sick" about a woman releasing a bird? Doves are traditionally symbols of freedom and peace. Would you rather fans have set car fires, a la the LA Lakers 2000 championship?
*wonders why I'm even bothering to bite at he bait* [Edited 7/4/07 12:06pm] Michael never stopped! | |
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SefraNSue said: Maybe I'm just really slow, you know, with me being a Michael Jackson fan and all, but what is so "sick" about a woman releasing a bird? Doves are traditionally symbols of freedom and peace. Would you rather fans have set car fires, a la the LA Lakers 2000 championship?
*wonders why I'm even bothering to bite at he bait*
[Edited 7/4/07 12:06pm] standing outside the courthouse during a celebrity trial, unless you're the paparazi or a reporter, is grounds enough to be put away. showing up every day and then releasing birds for each not guilty verdict is certifiable. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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krayzie said: mimi07 said: shut up you sound so racist, i actually know MANY people that are black that hav children with white people and their children look like they're 100% white, so i'm not gonna judge michael. if he says they're his children and their mother says they're his children i'm gonna just leave it at that, plus why do you and whomever care. so unless u were there when they were concieved just keep your 2 cents to urself Seems like you are living in the same fantasy world umm..if that what you want to believe, i'm just speaking for what i've seen "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Raze said: SefraNSue said: Maybe I'm just really slow, you know, with me being a Michael Jackson fan and all, but what is so "sick" about a woman releasing a bird? Doves are traditionally symbols of freedom and peace. Would you rather fans have set car fires, a la the LA Lakers 2000 championship?
*wonders why I'm even bothering to bite at he bait*
[Edited 7/4/07 12:06pm] standing outside the courthouse during a celebrity trial, unless you're the paparazi or a reporter, is grounds enough to be put away. showing up every day and then releasing birds for each not guilty verdict is certifiable. leave the woman alone"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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skyecute said: krayzie said:
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. Sweetie, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are living in some "fantasy world". Haven't you ever heard of different opinions? exactly  "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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SefraNSue said: Maybe I'm just really slow, you know, with me being a Michael Jackson fan and all, but what is so "sick" about a woman releasing a bird? Doves are traditionally symbols of freedom and peace. Would you rather fans have set car fires, a la the LA Lakers 2000 championship?
*wonders why I'm even bothering to bite at he bait*
[Edited 7/4/07 12:06pm] Exactly. I thought that it was a wonderful gesture that the lady did. I guess the people who complain only do so because it was a Michael fan. If it had been a Beatles, Madonna or even a Prince fan it would be considered cool or alright. Here we go again with the DOUBLE STANDARDS. It's only wrong when it is concerning Michael. I have gotten to the point where I actually laugh at the people who are making the comments.I applaud the lady for her heartfelt tribute to Michael's complete acquittal. | |
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Raze said: SefraNSue said: Maybe I'm just really slow, you know, with me being a Michael Jackson fan and all, but what is so "sick" about a woman releasing a bird? Doves are traditionally symbols of freedom and peace. Would you rather fans have set car fires, a la the LA Lakers 2000 championship?
*wonders why I'm even bothering to bite at he bait*
[Edited 7/4/07 12:06pm] standing outside the courthouse during a celebrity trial, unless you're the paparazi or a reporter, is grounds enough to be put away. showing up every day and then releasing birds for each not guilty verdict is certifiable. No, that's loyalty,love and support. Being a proud Michael Jackson fan is more than just supporting the man's music. We support HIM. Sorry, if you don't understand that; but, that's your problem, not mine. Of course, you know that some people think that Prince fans are certifiable; but,that's another story. | |
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skyecute said: Raze said: standing outside the courthouse during a celebrity trial, unless you're the paparazi or a reporter, is grounds enough to be put away. showing up every day and then releasing birds for each not guilty verdict is certifiable. No, that's loyalty,love and support. Being a proud Michael Jackson fan is more than just supporting the man's music. We support HIM. Sorry, if you don't understand that; but, that's your problem, not mine. Of course, you know that some people think that Prince fans are certifiable; but,that's another story. no, sorry, that's insanity, especially at that woman's age. and if you don't see it, maybe you should find a psychiatrist yourself. [Edited 7/4/07 17:01pm] "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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skyecute said: If it had been a Beatles, Madonna or even a Prince fan it would be considered cool or alright.
No, it would be just as nutty. There are fans, then there are fanatics. The fanatics(like that bird-brain in the photo) are the ones I laugh at. They'll believe anything. | |
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skyecute said: krayzie said:
His chidren look nothin like Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson is a NEGRO, his kids look straight caucasians with blond hair. Michael Jackson HAD STRONG AFRICAN FEATURES, NAPPY HAIR, WIDE NOSE . Michael Jackson and his fans are living in the same fantasy world where negroes can give birth to white children. Sweetie, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are living in some "fantasy world". Haven't you ever heard of different opinions? There's a big difference between sharing different thoughts, and living in a fantasy world. That's why so many people think MJ fans are nuts... They believe that Michael Jackson is a proud black man, that he had only two nosejobs to hit higher notes and breathe better and They believe he can give birth to white children... | |
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krayzie said: skyecute said: Sweetie, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are living in some "fantasy world". Haven't you ever heard of different opinions? There's a big difference between sharing different thoughts, and living in a fantasy world. That's why so many people think MJ fans are nuts... They believe that Michael Jackson is a proud black man, that he had only two nosejobs to hit higher notes and breathe better and They believe he can give birth to white children... you know repeating yourself is evidence of ones own insanity how many times have you said this already... 1 2 3 4 paging doctor phil! I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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krayzie said: skyecute said: Sweetie, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they are living in some "fantasy world". Haven't you ever heard of different opinions? There's a big difference between sharing different thoughts, and living in a fantasy world. That's why so many people think MJ fans are nuts... They believe that Michael Jackson is a proud black man, that he had only two nosejobs to hit higher notes and breathe better and They believe he can give birth to white children...  that about sums it up.
What MJ has done to himself over the last 20+ years is a great tragedy, in my opinion. He had it all, and collapsed under the weight of it. | |
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NorthernLad said: krayzie said: There's a big difference between sharing different thoughts, and living in a fantasy world. That's why so many people think MJ fans are nuts... They believe that Michael Jackson is a proud black man, that he had only two nosejobs to hit higher notes and breathe better and They believe he can give birth to white children... that about sums it up.
What MJ has done to himself over the last 20+ years is a great tragedy, in my opinion. He had it all, and collapsed under the weight of it. Great tragedy... thats a bit much lol I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: NorthernLad said: that about sums it up.
What MJ has done to himself over the last 20+ years is a great tragedy, in my opinion. He had it all, and collapsed under the weight of it. Great tragedy... thats a bit much lol you think so? i think "great tragedy" sums up his career perfectly. unless you're thinking it's more of a comedy  "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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Raze said: EmbattledWarrior said: Great tragedy... thats a bit much lol you think so? i think "great tragedy" sums up his career perfectly. unless you're thinking it's more of a comedy maybe it's a dark comedy? | |
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NorthernLad said: Raze said: you think so? i think "great tragedy" sums up his career perfectly. unless you're thinking it's more of a comedy maybe it's a dark comedy? looking at him, it's more of a light comedy. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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