oh for fuck's sake. she fucked up and now she's paying for it. what's so hard to understand about that? get over it. if she'd put out a decent album, everyone else would too.

Sombody show the recent posts on "MY ORG", already!

Raze said:

Justin and Janet fucked up but people put all the blame on Janet.

That's racism.

Damn, is the org stuck?

FarrahMoan said:

still can't figure out why this thread is now about janet jackson??

bonedaddy said:

Funny how you make judgements while at the same time admitting that you have no clue on the topic

krayzie said:

I remember Janet refusing to apologize to get on the Grammys, but Justin did immediately.

If their skin colors were reversed, the fallout would have been the same if the histories of the two entertainers were identical.

And why would the "white" media destroy Janet for kissing Ciara and Beyonce? That didn't happen when Diana Ross felt Lil' Kim's boob on TV.

*wonders how we went from amy crackhouse to janet jackson*

sextonseven said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

If Justin was black, Janet white, NOWAY the media would have put all the blame on Janet and forgave Justin like that.


Damn some people really believe that racism don't exist anymore. WOW

krayzie said:

I never said racism doesn't exist. I just don't see it here.

You mentioned Madonna and Usher before--hell yes, Madonna would have been skewered for exposing her breast on the biggest network TV show of the year. That's totally different from kissing another woman on a cable show.

sextonseven said:

yah but that type of stuff is kinda expected from madonna...

EmbattledWarrior said:

I don't think CBS would ever consider Madonna for the halftime show now.
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[Edited 7/9/07 13:39pm]

sextonseven said:

Of course not,
theres no tellin what madgee wuld do
Crucify herself upside topless, is what i think
Majority of americans are blue colar conservatives...
they wouldn't take that too kindly...

sextonseven said:

Madonna would have never been skewered for exposing her breast on the biggest network TV show of the year like Janet.

And even if it happened, Usher would be skewered as well.
Justin get nothing. Period

And Yes, you think racism doesn't exist anymore because You just don't see it here.

Even Justin ain't blind about the case :

August 22, 2006 - Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson
Justin Timberlake has defended Janet Jackson over their infamous Super Bowl nipple scandal. The solo artist explains how he believes society is unfair to women and ethnic people-admitting he didn't even get half of the brunt of the scandal like Janet did.

When the two stars performed a duet at the 2004 Super Bowl, everybody was in uproar after Jackson's outfit was ripped open to expose her bare breast, complete with nipple piercing, on live television.

Now Justin has admitted that he got an easy ride compared to Janet in the wake of the controversial incident.

"If you consider it as 50/50, I probably got 10 per cent of the blame-and that says something about society," he said.

"I think America's harsher on women and I think it's unfairly harsh on ethnic people."

When quizzed about the stunt, Janet described it as a "wardrobe malfunction" and insisted it had not been planned. Justin, 25, admits he was stunned by the fury caused by the performance, but insists he has learned from the incident. He added, "I didn't handle it the best way I could have but you get your bumps and bruises from it and you learn."
[Edited 7/9/07 14:15pm]

krayzie said:

NO, I don't think racism doesn't exist just because I don't see it in this instance. Please don't tell me what I think.

Madonna would have most definitely been criticized for exposing herself on the Super Bowl. It's the Super Bowl. People watch it with their kids. Nudity shouldn't be a part of that. Why would Madonna get a free pass? The difference between Madonna and Janet is that Madonna would have never said it was a malfunction and would have told everyone it was all rehearsed and to get over it.

Justin is right about society being harsh on women and people of color, but the color part doesn't factor into this situation. The sexist part most certainly does.

sextonseven said:

Janet get all the blame and Justin get NOTHING.

Face it, if Janet was white and Justin black, NOWAY IT WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPEN THIS WAY.

Face it, there's a double standard there. That's racism,

MADONNA WOULD GET A FREE PASS BECAUSE SHE'S WHITE. THE MEDIA GAVE HER A FREE PASS FOR KISSING AGUILERA AND BRITTNEY ON NATIONAL TV.
MADONNA IS A MOTHER, BUT WHITE AMERICA SAID NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHITE AMERICA OUTCRIED FOR A TITTIE FLASH ????

sextonseven said:

I agree totally.

It's also worth pointing out that at no point has Justin ever said it was a "waldrobe malfunction". Obviously lying doesn't come as naturally to him as it does to Janet, but then she's a Jackson so what do you expect? Most of Janet's fans have never realised that this is the main reason Justin left her hanging. You only have to think about it for a second to see. Janet's first reaction was to lie. That put him in an awkward position. It meant there was no way for him to stand by her without joining in the lie. She never told him she was gonna try and bluff her way out of it. That meant she was indirectly pressuring him to lie too, but without warning him in advance. Sorry, but that's totally unfair. Janet's fans have never even considered this for a moment. If she had told the truth then he could have easily stood by her, but the moment she chose the path of denial she made it impossible for him to do that and still keep any self respect.

P.S. This crap about her apologising is myopic. How can her "apology" mean jack shit when she doesn't even admit to doing anything in the first place?

krayzie said:

The Madonna-Britney kiss was not on national TV. It was on cable which isn't subject to FCC rules like network TV.

Why am I even arguing about this nonsense over three years later? Believe what you want, dude.

sextonseven said:

You refuse to respond because you know that racism played a part, NOT sexism. If Janet was white and Justin black, all the blame would be put on Justin.


I hate when people deny racism, and act like white and black people in any cases are treated the same way.
[Edited 7/9/07 15:56pm]

she's probably good in the sack.

krayzie said:

He/she has responded. You've misunderstood a central point. The MTV Awards is a place where people expect risque things. Diana Ross fondled Lil Kim's tit on the MTV Awards. There was no uproar. The Superbowl is family viewing and way bigger than the MTV Awards. Kids, parents and grandparents sit down together to watch that. Surely you can see the difference. When you suggest that white and black people are not "in any cases treated the same way", you reveal your inflexible, extremist attitude. When you dismiss sexism as being a factor you show the same attitude. You're ignoring anything that might contradict your opinion.

Believe me, I'm the first to point out prejudice (I've done it in this very thread), but when you boil everything down to racism all the time, you end up supporting a murderer like OJ Simpson or seriously disturbed characters like Michael Jackson. I've argued with people who thought his trial was racially motivated. To me that's ilogical when you look at his behaviour, but so many people will only see what they want to see.
[Edited 7/10/07 9:51am]

To answer the original question, I have no idea.

I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but somehow an Amy Winehouse topic became a Janet vs. Madonna thread. Hilarious.

midnightmover said:

NO, SHE/HE HASN'T RESPONDED.
And you seem to miss the point there. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUPERBOWL.

THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT. JANET JACKSON AND JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE. JANET WASN'T ALONE.
The fact IS JANET JACKSON GET ALL THE BLAME AND TIMBERLAKE GET NOTHING.

IF Janet was white, and Justin black, do you think the media would have put all the blame on Janet ?

And I've never suggested that "white and black people are not in any cases treated the same way".

I said "I hate when people deny racism, and act like white and black people in any cases are treated the same way."

midnightmover said:

WTF you talk about OJ simpson or Jackson ????

And I don't boil everything down to racism all the time.
[Edited 7/10/07 10:33am]

VoicesCarry said:

Can the mods rename this one??
or I could start a thread about janet jackson and talk about amy winehouse...
[Edited 7/10/07 11:13am]

krayzie said:[quote]

midnightmover said:

You're starting to get weird now. It "has nothing to do with the Superbowl"? sextonseven was pointing out the difference between the superbowl and mtv awards after you made a specious comparison with Britney, Christina and Madge's three way kiss. I did the same. That's the point you ignored.



Reread your quote and ask yourself how it reads. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you just didn't express yourself clearly, but the quote looks like you're saying black and white people are not in any cases treated the same way. Read it carefully.

The jist of the matter is that I think you're ignoring the specifics of the case in order to make it fit your genral view of race relations in America. Racism is out there. Probably always will be. The only way to totally eradicate it will be a forced programme of interracial procreation. Fuck away the colour lines that's what I say. However, that was not why Janet got hammered. Madonna would have got it just as bad or even worse considering she's pissed off conservatives many times before.
The sexist double standard is something you seem completely oblivious to. If you look at sex scandals involving men and women you'll clearly see that double standard at work in the coverage. However, Justin only raises that issue as a red herring to avoid talking about whether it was a "waldrobe malfunction". He's praying no one ever asks him directly whether Janet lied. Raising the racial, sexual issue is a good way to divert attention away from that.
[Edited 7/10/07 12:11pm]

Hell's bells, Mary! Somebody cry, "Uncle!" already.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Preach it Rip!

RipHer2Shreds said:

Hey, I'm leaving this one alone from now on. I actually had a few points I wanted to add to the original topic but it's kind of ruined now. I guess my pearls of wisdom will have to wait for another day.

minneapolisgenius said:

You're going to hell.