Raze said:

Oh, well I heard something about a ban. Maybe, she is still being prohibited in some other fashion.

Raze said:

Oh, well I heard otherwise. Maybe, she has been prohibited in some other fashion, then.

Edit: Oops, sorry! That was on accident.
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FarrahMoan said:

i also saw I Want You and All Night Don't Stop on video channels, and the only video channels I get are ones owned by Viacom (MTV, VH1, BET), so it wasn't much of a ban.

Raze said:

It sometimes amazes me to what extent some people go to not acknowledge when race/racism/prejudice/bias play a factor in decision making. It's not an indictment against the world or an entire race to acknowledge when some are guilty of racism. It just baffles me when people not only ignore, but attempt to rationalize the irrational i.e, explain away racism.

bellanoche said:

Yeah, I mean, I could have sworn that I had not only heard but seen some instances that pointed the fact that she was banned from the network. Now, I may be wrong. But, "GODDAMNIT" if I am right, then that means that "MTV" are racist (Which ain't farfetched. Once again, I ain't paranoid. I'm not a radical trooper. I just call it like I see it.) "AND", you want to know the funny thing? When is the last time you seen "Janet Jackson" on "TRL" (Hell, when is the last time "YOU SEEN ANY MUSIC" on "MTV", for that matter. But, that's besides the point, here!)? Answer me that. Just because racists exist does not mean that it should hurt anybody that aren't. I know some racist "Black" people. I know some racist "White" people. It's just that the "White" racism tends to take more effect and is more noticeable. What can I say? I can't say that I really justify either.
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FarrahMoan said:

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MTV Says Janet to Blame for Flashdance
The network head says Janet Jackson "engineered" her breast-baring stunt, but she and Justin Timberlake are still set to appear at Sunday's Grammy Awards.
TUESDAY FEBRUARY 03, 2004 07:39 PM EST

By Stephen M. Silverman


Clearly seeking to distance itself from the spectacle of Janet Jackson's bared breast, MTV is pointing the finger of blame at the 37-year-old singer herself, the head of the cable music network said on Tuesday.
"Janet Jackson engineered it," Tom Freston, chief executive for the network (which produced the Super Bowl halftime show), told Reuters in an interview.

"Credit" for the stunt comes two days after the widespread outrage over Justin Timberlake tearing off half of Jackson's black leather bustier near the finish of their song -- and a day after the FCC vowed to probe the incident and possibly fine CBS if it violated guidelines regarding broadcast standards and practices.

Meanwhile, organizers for the Grammy Awards on Tuesday denied reports that they were planning to yank Timberlake and Jackson from Sunday's ceremony.

As for MTV's stance, Freston tells Reuters that Timberlake was informed of the stunt just moments before he took the stage with Jackson.

"There's now going to be an FCC investigation into the nipple," Freston told reporters at a news conference.

Jackson, 37, released her own statement Monday night accepting blame for flashing the nearly 90 million Super Bowl viewers, but adding that the stunt simply went further than she had intended. Jackson's rep said Timberlake was supposed to rip off the top layer of her outfit, revealing a red lace bra underneath.

But instead, everything came off -- except for a sun-shaped nipple ring.

Freston said neither CBS nor the National Football League has rescinded or demanded a refund of MTV's production fees. But sources familiar with the situation told Reuters that the incident could possibly cost CBS and the NFL millions of dollars.

The news service also reports that America Online (which, like PEOPLE, is part of Time Warner), may now seek a partial refund of the estimated $10 million it paid as a major Super Bowl advertiser and exclusive halftime show sponsor.

"While AOL was the sponsor of the Super Bowl Halftime Show, we did not produce it," the company said in a statement. "Like the NFL, we were surprised and disappointed with certain elements of the show."

AOL said the exposure of Jackson's breast means it cannot now broadcast the halftime extravaganza on its Web site for its 25 million subscribers and visitors.

In other fallout, Tuesday's New York Post claimed in an unsubstantiated report that Timberlake and Jackson may be banned from Sunday's Grammy ceremony, but a rep for the Grammys tells Reuters the two will appear, as scheduled.

In addition, McDonald's Corp. (which uses Timberlake as a pitchman) called the Super Bowl incident inappropriate but asserted that it would stand behind the 23-year-old singer.

http://www.people.com/peo...84,00.html

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Well, even if they did not flat out say that they were "banning" Janet, they clearly blamed her for the incident. Given that logic, it is not a far leap to assume that they didn't get behind her subsequent project with the fervor that they had previous projects. And that has nothing to do with quality as some would assert, because the vast majority of what they play on MTV is garbage.

No one can argue that Janet took a bigger hit from the incident than Justin. However, had Justin been another black performer he would have been lumped in with Janet.

The songs might have something to do with her popularity. It is possible.

bellanoche said:

It sometimes amazes me how people go out of the way to blame JT for the Superbowl incident. Yes, he was involved. He was on stage and pulled her titty out. But let's put the blame where it belongs: on Janet. It was her show, her idea. I see nothing wrong with blaming her for it. She wanted attention. She got it.

Nobody blamed Naomi Campbell or Big Daddy Kane when Madonna went insane and put out the "Sex" book, even though they were in it.

I Want You, All Night (Don't Stop) and So Excited were on all 3 of the major Viacom video channels (MTV, VH1, BET). She wasn't banned, or I never would have seen these videos.

Raze said:

Raze, are you one of those people, who think that racism don't exist anymore ?

krayzie said:

Actually I agree with Raze on that one. I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt Janet engineered that whole stunt so she could kick off her new album with a bang, and Justin got roped into it. Her brother used to do the same thing. Stir up some controversy, apologise for any offense caused, then laugh all the way to the bank. Michael laughed about it to Diane Sawyer, saying how the media "fell into my trap" when they criticised one of his videos. Janet's stunt, though, set a new low mark in crassness. At least when Michael smashed up that car in Black Or White he was dancing great and it had some kind of artistic context (and he didn't call it an accident afterwards ) .

Justin's only crime was being dumb enough to go along with her little scheme. The boy doesn't have any real identity or sense of himself as an artist so he'd be easy to manipulate. I don't think anyone thinks it was his idea. If they did, and if it were his parts being bared, you can bet your life he would have suffered a lot more. I also agree that Janet had to bare the brunt more because she was all over the media promoting her album at that time, whereas Justin was on down time anyway. Now, whilst I can understand the instinct to see this as an example of "MONOLITHIC RACISM" , I think that's a total misreading of the situation. It also lessens the impact for when people voice genuine grievances. Black people supporting OJ Simpson had the same negative effect. In short, I like to reserve my sympathy for people who deserve it, not lying millionaires who just happen to have the same skin colour as me.
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midnightmover said:

Come on, man! You're giving that kid a little too much credit. I'm telling you that he had just as much say in that performance as she did. Hell, "AND, even if he didn't, they still should've treated both of them with the same decency/indecency and either ban both of them in some sort of manner. But, no way does "Janet Jackson" have all of the blame deserved. Some of that should go to "Justin Timberlake". They should have treated that situation like both of them knew what they were doing, especially since they had no proof or cold-hard evidence that "ONLY" one of them deserves the blame. To think that someone actually could feel sorry for "Justin Timberlake" when it comes to this situation. Just look at his face after he pulls it. Does that look deliberate or what?

midnightmover said:

Let me switch the situation :

What would happen if... Jessica Simpson and let me say... 50 cent perform during the halftime show of Super Bowl, Jessica performs with 50 cent to a live audience of more than one hundred million people. During the performance, Jessica sings along with 50 cent on her song. When 50 cent tears open Jessica's top exposing her right breast, which is partially covered by a nipple shield.

What would happen :

a) They gonna put all the blame on Jessica
b) They gonna put all the blame on both Jessica and 50
c) they gonna put ALL THE blame on 50

Don't forget that the media put all the blame on JANET...
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krayzie said:

Not in this instance. And yes, he was a punk, for not sticking by her. But he apologized for it, as he should have. It was some stupid shit he allowed himself to be involved in. But let's not kid ourselves that Janet didn't go looking for major controversy with this stunt. She got it. It backfired. She bit off more than she could chew. The reaction was a bit over the top, but so was the stunt.

Raze said:

You said "But let's put the blame where it belongs : on Janet."

There were two people involved Justin AND Janet. But YOU want to put the blame specifically on Janet.

If Janet Jackson was white and Justin Timberlake black, NO WAY the media would have let Justin go and specifically destroy Janet's career.


That's the truth. That's racism.

krayzie said:

This was Janet's performance, her idea. It's her fault. What's wrong with stating it?

As I said before, I'm not blaming Naomi Campbell and Big Daddy Kane because Madonna went insane and put out the Sex book and everyone freaked out and declared her career over for the better part of 2 years, even though they were in it.

I just came in at the end of this conversion, and you're not talking about Amy Whitehouse. It is another thread about Justin Timberlake!

He really must be worth talking about.....

FarrahMoan said:

Let's get this straight. That was her performance. He was a featured guest within it. Where were his dancers? Where were his crew? They weren't there because it wasn't his show. Hell, he didn't even bother to shave and put on some fresh clothes for it. It's also worth taking a look at their respective track records. Janet has been doing the sexual shock tactics for years, ever since the janet album. She's still doing the whole porn star routine to try and sell records even now. Look at her photo sessions for godsakes. Listen to her lyrics. It's all about "exposure" in every sense of the word. Justin on the other hand has no history at all of that kind of thing. He's also done nothing like that since..

Janet was not banned.

Who said I feel sorry for him? I just don't like facts getting twisted. As I've explained above, that was Janet's gig. He was just a pawn in her game.
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FarrahMoan said:

Looked to me like he was just enjoying the view. Janet was the one who acted surprised, "acted" being the key word. Her concerts have always been littered with contrived acts masquerading as spontaneous moments. I recall on the janet tour, her pretending to be suddenly overcome with emotion at the end of "Again". It was such a shameless piece of acting that, even though I was a fan, I clapped very slowly at the end. I also remember in Whoops Now a dancer brushed her tits with a duster and she started laughing as if it was a great surprise when actually they did the same thing every night. Her career started with acting and ironically it may end with it too.

krayzie said:

This comparison sounds fair until you actually think about it for two seconds. 50 Cent is a gangster who raps about pimping women and shooting people. Justin was Mr Clean. Janet has been pimping herself out for years and she's older. Jessica Simpson is Miss Goody Two Shoes and just a kid. So the comparison doesn't hold up to start with. However, if hell did freeze over and Jessica had a complete personality switch and brought 50 out to execute this gimmick you'd have to be smoking crack to think that she wouldn't pay severe consequences, particularly if it were her performance and people perceived it was her idea, but of course that would never happen which is why the comparison doesn't work.
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Exetergirl said:

There's a whole four pages on her before this one. We'll get back to her in a minute.

midnightmover said:

Let me switch the situation again :

What would happen if... Madonna and let me say... Usher (who has the cleanest image in the music industry) perform during the halftime show of the Super Bowl, Madonna performs with Usher to a live audience of more than one hundred million people. During the performance, Madonna sings along with Usher on her song. When Usher tears open Madonna's top exposing her right breast, which is partially covered by a nipple shield.

What would happen :

a) They gonna put all the blame on Madonna
b) They gonna put all the blame on both Madonna and Usher
c) they gonna put ALL THE blame on Usher

Don't forget that the media put all the blame on JANET and let Justin go away with his career...
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krayzie said:

I have to agree with this.

If it had been lets say Madonna and Usher on that stage, the media would have made Madonna out to be the victim and Usher would have been vilified. There's just no way around it. What happened to Janet in regards to the superbowl and how she was treated had a lot to do with racism.

krayzie said:

Justin apologized right away, and Janet did not. She hemmed and hawed about it for a few days/weeks/whatever. She didn't apologize to get on the Grammys. Then she did. Then she said she took it back, blah blah blah. They fucked up. He apologized, she didn't, and it was her idea/show in the first place. The blame and the fallout falls squarely on Janet.


And for the third time, I say, nobody blamed Naomi Campbell and Big Daddy Kane for Madonna's career meltdown "Sex" book, even though they were in it, having a 3some with her.
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I don't understand what she's saying, so I try not to listen to her music


It's a waste anyway, she's either gonna die from an overdose of something or from complications of anorexia. She needs to get it together and do something to her damn head



Smooches;)

Raze said:

My friend black artists are not promoted in this industry. The ones you just mentioned are just selling a stereotype, it's not as if black folks forgot how to play their own music.
If you want soul check out Eric Robertson, Martin Luther, Sy Smith, Bilal, Cody chestnutt, Conya Doss, Joi, Van Hunt, Donnie, Rachid and so on. Record companies don't want anything to do with them because they actually use real instruments in their music.
If you are black and want to be heard, well you better be an ignorant ganster rapper or a whore singing over rap beats, that's just the reality of it all.
It's the same for Hiphop, how many people here has heard of the likes of K-os, Kanaan, Lyrics Born, Blackalicious, Pharoah Monch and MF Doom yet everyone is hating on hiphop on the basis of what they see Akon, T-Pain and the Ying Yang twins do on MTV/BET.

rebelsoldier said:

frankly, i couldn't give a damn about any of them, white or black. i was just making a point as to why some of them were getting buzz. the popular white r&b/soul artists are making a more interesting version of the music than the popular black r&b/soul artists making it. it may very well be the way they're promoted, and i'm sure it is, but that's a fact for current crowd of hot, mainstream r&b artists.

Trust me they are not getting the buzz because they are better than the mainstream black RnB artists. Real soul fans knows where to find their music.

rebelsoldier said:

oh, I agree. There's a lot of great black r&b and soul music being made. My only point is that the white artists that are getting the attention are doing a more interesting and appealing version of it than the black artists that get the attention (the ones I named).
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Raze said:

Janet JACKSON APOLOGIZED TOO, AND SEVERAL TIMES !!!

But Justin has been forgiven quickly after the incident and was allowed to perform during the grammies.

I repeat again, if Janet Jackson was white and Justin black, it would have never happened. Just impossble.

Madonna kissed Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera on national TV, and it wasn't a bigh deal. Three white women kissing each other is more acceptable.

Now try to imagine the 40 year old Janet JAckson kissing both Ciara and Beyonce on stage, and I GUARANTEE you that the "white" media would destroy them right away.

I'm not excusing Janet for what she did, but there's a strong double standard right there.
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