bellanoche said:

+ strong image + tendency to get wasted + gives good copy = our attention

For those who are disagreeing with "Krayzie", consider this fact, alone:

Every since "The Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake Superbowl Halftime Incident From 2004", she has been banned from "MTV" while "Justin Timberlake" is still aloud to make appearances and be promoted throughout the whole dam network!!! Let's be honest and ask yourself this, people. Do you really think that "MTV" would do the same thing to the likes of "Madonna"?
Yeah, ponder that for a second! And remember, this ain't to be a radical idiot, but we all know the truth.
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FarrahMoan said:

Since I'm the one that responded, why not be direct? Like I said, I don't disagree with the fact that her race had some factor in getting her a record contract. My objection was the the assertion that if it weren't for that, there's "noway people would care about her." Not everybody shares the mindset of record execs. Some of us appreciate good music wherever it may be.

krayzie said:

BUT, she is a 'proper' artist, not like some of the shit you are refering to. It aint her 'beautiful good looks ' that got her in the mix, she's been doing her own thing for a while now. It aint about race either, for fuck sake

RipHer2Shreds said:

Oh, I'm sorry! The reason I didn't quote you was because I was being kind of lazy and this computer is/was moving to slow and I didn't feel like clicking back once I got to this page. I really respect you for being an individual that loves music for music and not the images alone. I mean, to go against the last statement/post made however is the fact that, though a lot of people "THINK" that "Eminem" only sold his records because of his race ("ALONE", at least); because he is "WHITE"! That's the case, completely, though. I mean, look at the likes of "Lil' Whyte", "Paul Wall" (Yeah, he may be selling a little bit, but he will never be at the status of "Eminem", no matter what he does because he has no respect for "Hip-Hop/Rap" as he clearly stated at one time that he was only in it for the money, topping charts, and making hits), and "Bubba Sparxxx". They are not gonna make it the way that "Eminem" has. You want to know why? The reason for that is because he actually cares (Well, he used to, but not anymore. However, that's a completely didn't story) care for his craft. Oh, and when you think about it, getting recruited to "Dr. Dre's" (With his legacy and history in the game of "Hip-Hop/Rap") had kind of gotten him on better playing grounds of starting off in the mainstream world of "Rap/Hip-Hop". So, race doesn't "ALWAYS" play as the main factor of the industry.

bonedaddy said:

It NEVER is.....

she's hot but she really can't sing at all. Her voice annoys me and she has no range. I watched a couple performances on youtube and she can't hit high notes

Graycap23 said:

Is that a sarcastic statement, there?

alphastreet said:

Which performances did YOU watch? I used to go see the girl on the jazz circuit here on here in Europe, and she is an EXCELLENT vocalist where jazz is concerned. Commercially 'cute' jazz girls like Jane Monheit and Eden Atwood should pretty much go sit in a corner and hang their heads in shame after watching Winehouse tear up a standard .

...but then again, back in those days she wasn't sloshed to high hell onstage either, and that definitely makes a difference

krayzie said:

her appearance does make a difference. But it has absolutely nothing to do with race

Who gives a flying fuck what colour the singers are? For every white artist you mentioned there, there are many successful black artists. Why keep count? It's about the sound

LittleSmedley said:

Well, "Beyonce" is considerably the most successful and/or popular "R&B Star", these days. That is saying to something. But, are "ANY" records selling? Yeah, that's another subject, though. Don't "EVEN" get me started on that!
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krayzie said:

As for her race being a catalyst for gaining commercial success, in all sincerity I think it only really is applicable in the United States. In the EU, no one is really focused on that. The only thing people (musicians and laymen alike) care about is if you've got the chops and can bring something to the table musically (and uthentically). That being said, Winehouse had her own respected following here on her own stomping grounds before she hit commercial pay dirt in the US, and I suspect she'll retain her original audience long after the US contingent becomes bored with her as 'this year's music flavor'. That is, if she doesn't keel over dead first...

...oh, one last thing---Joss and Amy don't really belong in the same sentence
. The former is a studio product where the latter is an actual musician and songwriter

LittleSmedley said:

But Smedley, you.are.in.ENGLAND. The EU. And the attitudes there about race and art are VERY different to the U.S. In the U.S. we are very preoccupied with race, so it could very well be a factor as to how her label was able to push her onto the American public in such a big way. However, living in Europe now, I do understand how it doesn't really factor into your ability to make it at all here (although it might once you hop across the pond.) You know, recently I was hanging out with Incognito after a show and we all talked for hours about their general message that evening, that it doesn't matter where anyone in the band was from or what color they were. That they were there to love and make music to the best of their ability and give the people the best show they could muster. And this current formation of the group has members of all colors, from England, Jamaica, Scotland, Maritus, the South Pacific. Just all gorgeous in spirit, and SICK players/singers. And nobody cared anything about who was white black, brown, purple, green...oddly, I've been observing this attitude among many if not most Europeans where music is concerned, naturally amongst musicians themselves, but amongst music fans as well.

i like Amy..

I find her amusing and when I saw her drunken version of Beat it, I was sold


As far as the race thing....in America...well this is how we do it...

some would rather hear pat boone sing Tooty Fruity than little richard.


just how things go...in mainstream.


I like Amy...nothing more or less...

She completely frightens me. I'm talking real actual fear. I am positive she could kick my ass and not even break a sweat.

GottaLetitgo said:

I know what you mean, man! That's the same thing with "Alicia Keys". However, even though I know for sure that "Alicia Keys" is a denying lesbian and I just get a bi-sexual vibe from "Amy Winehouse" even though I could imagine them both driving me wild in a fantasy! Yeah, I like the thought of playing around with dangerous, intimidating, and creepy women like "Amy Winehouse". Sad thing is, I am also kind of turned off by the overdrugginess of that woman. What a dilemma!

alphastreet said:

what? good lord...I'm in shock!
that youtube stuff with her just sittin' in a chair singing? her voice is spectacular in those!! spag-tac-u-lar!

It always surprises me when I see people who really believe we are living in a color blind world...

There are PLENTY of black artitss who make the SAME kind of music ALL OVER THE US. Everywhere.

But major labels refuse to sign them because they don't fit the mainstream standard.

If Amy was a dark skinned girl, she would be just another black girl singing old school jazz and soul. Nothing new. Deja Vu.

What is new with Amy is not her music, not her voice, but her appareance, her ethnicity, nobody expects her to look that.

This is what creates the interest. Period.
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krayzie said:

Oh come on, you've got to have an X-Factor to be a star as WELL as talent. Any struggling unknowns out there who could entertain in a train-wreck fashion like this? http://www.youtube.com/wa...hFzr8QPfOg

krayzie said:

Thank you for explaining what interests me in music. Ignorance comes from both all ends of the spectrum. Period.

Rhondab said:

And some crazy mo fos like going to the dentist.

You got that right. She represnets the decline in originality with the current trend of wannabe R&B/Soul Rip-Off artists.

RipHer2Shreds said:

If you're a real fan of old school R&B. You should know that there have always been black singers from the independent scene who make the same type of music.

Amy is talented but nothing great.

krayzie said:

Please, reread what I said. I never said she was doing anything original. I said I like her music. You're assuming that I saw her before I heard her, and that's just not the case. I heard the song Rehab on some news program, playing in the background on a bit about Britney . and the music reminded me of some of Phil Spector's 60s stuff, so I looked on the 'net to see who it was, took it from there. But even if I had seen her before hearing her, so what? That doesn't factor into the music I listen to.

Yes, it's shortsighted to assume that she's doing something that hasn't been done before, but it's just as shortsighted and ignorant to assume that EVERYONE exposed to her music knows of and likes her because of her race. Of course, it plays a factor for some ignoramuses, but that's not the universal case. Why can't it be that some people like her because they like her? What about the black folks that like her? Are they just as ignorant?

MsLegs said:

see, I don't necessarily see her as a rip off....

I think she's aight with what she does.....not the second coming but SOMETHING for a good....what....15 minutes.