EmbattledWarrior said:

I'm not googling because I'm not interested right now but I will say Omarion has moves. I don't know about "Whip Chris's ass" but at least he can go some. He's a contender.

My last post must have went ignored in this topic. For the last time, no one is ("AT LEAST I AIN'T!!!") "SNOBBING" and/or looking down at the concept of only dancing/singing and not using an instrument. The fact of the matter is, "Chris Brown" has not done anything that I and you can't do or at least learn and perfect in one second. He has the teeny-bopper thing going on, right now. As soon as he works all of those young girls out of the image barrier and leaves the teeny-bopper formula, the more time he will have to prove to many who doubt that he can dance like no other. But, until then, "NO ONE", and I do mean "NO ONE" who dances as amateurish as "Chris Brown" deserves to be on a "GODDAMNED COUNTDOWN FOR THE TWENTY-FIVE BEST DANCERS", even if it is a countdown authorized by "BET" at their current state of immoralized "Music/Black Entertainment", let alone end up at number four!!!

Ellie said:

You right, when Michael Jackson was 18 years old he was impersonating Fred Astaire/Ncholas Brothers. He still had not yet created his own style.

So I don't know why people get mad at Chris brown to do what MJ was doing at the same age ?

EmbattledWarrior said:

How old is Omarion ? 22 ? Omarion is not even as smooth as CB and most importantly HE CANT SING.


I repeat I know why you hate specifically on Chris Brown so much...

krayzie said:

I don't class Chris Brown as a prodigy but he is cool. The reason why peeps call MJ a prodigy was because he came on the scene age 11 and it wasn't just because of a few dance steps, MJ voice for an 11 yr old was something else; it was truely unique. I don't see that kind of a uniqueness with Chris Brown. I see a great dancer but not much else. Plus there is still a big difference with someone coming on the scene age 11 and wowing everyone and someone coming along at age 16. As young as 16 is it looks very Old compared to 11.

And by the time Michael was 16 he had practically developed his own style and by the time he was 21 he did OTW . Now if CB can do an iconic album like OTW by the time he is 21, then he will have my full respect, as of now he is a great dancer but I can't see legendary written all over him.... yet!

krayzie said:

Erm, it was a family variety show where the pieces he was doing were specific tributes to famous songs and movies. Of course that's not going to be "original". He'd still stopped copying James Brown by then anyway because it was well into the Disco era and he was actually developing his own style when performing his own songs. It didn't happen overnight with Motown 25.

I just mentioned the JTV show because it is absolutely nothing like anyone would do today. For a start there's just a certain attitude that today's people have that seems to be oblivious to even trying anything pre-dating Hip-Hop. Even Usher when he tries to do that gangster shit with 'Caught Up', he's still wearing baggy pants and trainers. They're more concerned with being masculine now and their bodies aren't even equipped to glide along the floor gracefully.

BlaqueKnight said:

They both sing in the same style that every damn RnB male sings,
the overly nasal mouthhorn voice...
thats anothe reason why i think he's just another statistic...
shit what happened to all the Al Greens?
D'angelo and Maxwell come back plz!

krayzie said:

Omarion came to fame at 16 just like CB
and he was a great dancer than, he's a better dancer now...

Stomp was CB's video and that violently sucked... i mean everything plot, dancing etc...
at least the B2k Monstrosity had very good dancing, Im still trying to learn how to do that slow motion matrix move at the end... which was shot in real time, no camera tricks...
the plot sucked of course, bbut any video based on breakin is gonna suck
i hated Breakin 1 & 2 but i loved the dance dancing...
matter of fact
Turbo can whip chris browns ass...



http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ayi4JFJCwg
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EmbattledWarrior said:

I repeat again I know why you're hating so much on Chris Brown...


I know...

Ellie said:

I don't know what you are trying to prove. Mike was just doing what used to be done before him, just like young kids do do what used to be done before them.


So what's the problem ?

krayzie said:

cause...
i...
am Chris...
Brown...

NOOOOO
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No really, why am i hating him so much?

2ndRevolution said:

Thes same one that YOU were watching. Of course, I viewed Chris' performance as a TRIBUTE to Michael's "Thriller". I didn't expect to see an exact replica of every dance step. I also did not expect him to be as good as Michael, because I knew that he wouldn't be. With those things in mind, I didn't set myself up for a letdown. I saw what I expected- a Chris Brown TRIBUTE to Michael's "Thriller". IMO, Chris did a great tribute. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

EmbattledWarrior said:

The reason why you hate so much on CB is simply because CB is the first artist to seriously rival the dominance of MJ over the past 25 years.

You hate on him because you have been so used to believe that nobody could ever replace Michael Jackson as the greatest enntertainer.

He's very very young, very talented, and dances better than any other entertainer right now. And it scares you as hell that CB could become the next big entertainer of the next decade..... Nobody has been so close to Michael Jackson in term of talent.

That's why you (and other MJ fans) try to find anything to prove us how mediocre this teenager is. You try to deny everything this kid is doing, to the point to even name garbage entertainers like Omarion better...


You are scared. You don't want CB to replace Michael Jackson that's why you hate him so much. He's a threat... That's why you hate him so much... And you know it...
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Rival his success? Seriously? The guy is a zero outside America. I don't like Timberlake but at least he's successful in more than a couple of countries.

krayzie said:

mmmmm...
No
In my heart the only artist that can beat Mj's ass as an entertainer is Prince,
I value Musicianship more than vegas style showman ship. Which why i molded my own music after Prince, Rather than MJ. I respect MJ as a dancer, but he has cease to entertain me with it anymore. Now the Real reason i hate Chris Brown is because he's a biter...
Leaving people in awe with the same moves Michael did nearly 20 years ago...
HE hasn't developed his own style, His singing is lackluster as well as his fashion sense.
There is nothing Original about him.
And behind all that "Hate" is alot of sympathy because 5 years from now we're gonna be on the Org and i'm going to create a "What happened to Chris Brown Thread".. Because he would've fallen like everyone before him. The only MJ impersonater with staying power was USher, that's because he was one of the first. And he's already developed his own style...
The industry already found a new cat thats doing the RnB MJ impersonation game, i forget his name...
But CB needs to do something truly substantial In music...
Cause he can be great, but he's not.
Originality is the only staying power in music!
If you're not original people, will get tired of you.
and you're done

krayzie said:

You keep on going on about CB being very young. By the time Michael was 16 he had been on the scene for five years and even by then he was very original, at even age 16 he was one of a kind! So there is no use comparing CB at age 16 or age 18 with MJ, because MJ was at a different level at that age, even back then.

You keep on going on about CB dancing, dancing alone doesn't make a legend, unless your Fred Astair or someone like that. And when Michael first came on the scene he didn't really come as a dancer in the first instance, I think his very, soulful voice at such a young age that probably made more of an impact than his dancing, it just so happened he was a good dancer too.
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whatsgoingon said:

Michael Jackson has had a different career, OBVIOUSLY MICHAEL JACKSON by the time he was 16 he had been on the scene for five years since he started professionnally at 11. This statement is irrelevant.

whatsgoingon said:

No he wasn't original, he was bitting his idols (Jackie wilson, James Brown, Fred Astaire) just like Chris Brown id doing right now...

Michael Jackson didn't develop a distinctive and unique style until his 20's.

Michael Jackson WASN'T ORIGNAL UNTIL THE OFF THE WALL ERA...

whatsgoingon said:

I never keep on going on about CB dancing. CB is also a good (not great) singer, at least when he sings on stage he sounds just like on the record. , dancing.

Ellie said:

I don't talk about success. Nobody can't top MJ success (even more since music don't sell like it used to). I'm talking about the MJ legacy as the best entertainer.

For the past 25 years MJ has been viewed by most people around the world as the best entertainer. CB is the first that can potentially pretend to replace MJ dominance and become the new best entertainer.

krayzie said:

...."AND" what does that say about him when this generation is actually bush-league as it is, musically and entertainment? It probably should say that he fits in quite well with it, actually. So, go on and say that he could potentially be the best entertainer of today. Hell, I'll do you one better. I'll say that he is. Let's take it a step further. Anyone with the industry's archetype of an image could be the best entertainer of today.

EmbattledWarrior said:

All the current r&b/pop artists right now are biting MJ. How can you hate CB because and praise Omarion, Timberlake or Usher. Usher is still biting MJ and he's 29 year.

EmbattledWarrior said:

CB is ONLY 18 FUCKIN YEAR OLD.

When CB released his first album he was 16/17 year old !!!!

What do you expect from an 16/17 yeard old ?

So now 16/17 year old artists have to be all original ?

You say that "the only artist that can beat Mj's ass as an entertainer is Prince". But you forget that Prince HAS BITTEN A LOT OF HIS IDOLS, AND STILL KEEPS BITING HIS IDOLS NOW.

So it's Ok for Prince for biting James Brown, jimi hendrix, Sly, Little Richard, but completely forbidden for CB to bite MJ at 16/17 year old ?

EmbattledWarrior said:

This is what I'm saying, YOU HATE CB because you KNOW THAT CB CAN POTENTIALLY CHALLENGE MJ as the best entertainer. That scares you.

And you don't want that to happen.
[Edited 7/6/07 15:18pm]

I don't know why it seems ok to hate someone you don't know but anyway, Chris is in the same boat that Usher, Omarion, JT and 'em are in - emulating (or imitating) one of their favorite artists. We really don't know how far Chris can get right now, maybe he'll be an R&B star with decent sales and an entertainer known for being a talented dancer/individual. His songs could be better. He's one of the best dancers of this generation, maybe not ALL-TIME, but of this generation, I don't know why lists are taken seriously anyway. But it's obvious from the video that he loves him some Michael Jackson, musically that is.

He's an awful actor!!

krayzie said:

Which is why i don't like contemporary R&B and i didn't praise Any of those cats you mentiioned
i just said they're better dancers... Cept for Justin...
By you're right they're seasoned veterans and know the stage well
But Chris has been in the Industry Roughly 2 years now...
and has cease to release anything truly substantial and his stage presence still isn't that good...
But maybe that will change, you caught me in a positive mood.

And about the MJ stuff...
Even you said yourself no one can replace that legacy...
so what have i got to be scared of?

gbkrayzie said:[quote]

whatsgoingon said:

Me talking of MJJ starting at 11 is very relevant to your case, because you are comparing CB at 16 with MJ at 16. MJ at 16 was one of a kind, he had been around for 5 yrs already, so his developement would have been far ahead of someone like CB age 16. True you could still see his influences but not to the extent that he looked like a straight up copy cat.

I mean MJ didn't sound anything like James Browm or Jackie Wilson, he had his own sound which unmistakely even at 16 was a much more soulful version than he has today. MJ on the scene at 16 could never be lumped with a group of other wannbe artists, which is what is happening to CB, JT, Omarion and to a lesser extent Usher. They all come across as Wannabes.

Chris Brown can't sing.

whatsgoingon said:

Talking of MJJ starting at 11 is relevant BECAUSE MJ AND CB HAVE TWO DIFFERENT CAREERS. Michael Jackson started IN A BAND NOT AS A SOLO ARTIST. So pointing out the fact that MJ started at 11 makes no sense.
MJ at 16 wasn't one of te kind anymore. The Jacksons were losing popularity and fans when MJ was between 15 and 20. They weren't kids anymore, and struggled to redefine themself.


So telling me that CB looks like a straight up copy cat is just stupid. I'm sorry but CB is not a straight copy cat, CB does a lot of current news dances like krumping and chicken noodle soup dances. Just like MJ, he paid tribute to his idol, but he's not a copy cat.

whatsgoingon said:

You talk about MJ like if at 16, he was already all original with a distinctive voice and dance moves. Nope, he wasn't distinctive and unique. Michael Jackson has been lumped with Edmund Sylvers and the Sylvers during the late 70's.
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I have to admit before 1978, Michael (and his brothers) were struggling to find their sound. Even though they had great songs post-1972, by 1976, they were put into the Philly International label groomed like they were Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. It did give us some great material though ("Show You the Way to Go" was Michael's vocal finest!) but it wasn't until "Destiny" and "Off the Wall" that Michael began to find his own identity. I think Chris has his own identity but it's lost within emulating MJ moves, we just have to see what he does five-ten years from now.

Timmy84 said:

The problem is that this aint the 70's anymore, or even the 80's
Labels use to let Artist grow with them, and still fund them
right now after 2 or 3 years they drop you for someone else.

MJ had the luxury to try to find different sounds to craft his repetoire, ranging from Funk, disco, Soul and Rock. Chris doesn't have this, Label genres have become more segregated and cutthroat.
As Dylan said, Times, they are a changin.
And not good for the modern pop artist

MJ rose at the right place at the right time...
Chris is in a world that really doesn't need him
so he better start makin some hits, cause so far he's got alot of flops
Including Wall 2 Wall, despite hardcoore BET playback

EmbattledWarrior said:

Nothing tell you that, Chris is in a world that really doesn't need him.
BUT YOU DONT WANT HIM. That's for sure

And his first album was a success with a lot of hits.

And don't forget that he was ony 16 when he released his first album two years ago...


You such a hater... You are scared as shit...

krayzie said:

That was then, this is now,
Plus his first album only registered 2 top ten hits and they faded quickly
This album the first single isn't doing too good
his second single better be amazing if he wants it to sell...

And if this Album flops...
He better consiider changing his direction in music or switching to a label that will let him do that.