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Printableskyecute said: Ellie said: I'll inject myself in here and say that I don't care about whatever style Chris Borwn is doing or comparing him to his current contemporaries, that Thriller tribute he did in November was embarassingly bad. I was in the audience that night and he had his feet stuck on the ground while he wiggled his hips in the right direction.
Also, I can barely tell what these new guys are really like because in their videos and TV performances, the cameras are flying about everywhere so fast and cutting to another shot every 4 seconds, that it's damn hard to judge unless you see them in person. I thought Chris Brown did a wonderful job with his "Thriller" tribute at the WMA's. Of course, you have to have an open mind and realize that Chris interjected his own style into his routine. He added a few modern dance steps and that was fine. His tribute was heartfelt and entertaining. He showed his love and respect for Michel while not losing a sense of his own style and talent. wow... that shit was a disaster... When usher did the tribute concerts back in o7 he interjected his own style and it was great... chris brown was fumblin I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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Ellie said: I'll inject myself in here and say that I don't care about whatever style Chris Borwn is doing or comparing him to his current contemporaries, that Thriller tribute he did in November was embarassingly bad. I was in the audience that night and he had his feet stuck on the ground while he wiggled his hips in the right direction.
Also, I can barely tell what these new guys are really like because in their videos and TV performances, the cameras are flying about everywhere so fast and cutting to another shot every 4 seconds, that it's damn hard to judge unless you see them in person. The Thriller tribute cover was terrible. It was mostly due to the fact that Chris Brown stupidely tried to cover the song in the exact same key as the original song on stage which was suicidal. 
Chris Brown can't hit the notes that Michael Jackson hits. So he screwed up the performance... | |
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skyecute said: Ellie said: I'll inject myself in here and say that I don't care about whatever style Chris Borwn is doing or comparing him to his current contemporaries, that Thriller tribute he did in November was embarassingly bad. I was in the audience that night and he had his feet stuck on the ground while he wiggled his hips in the right direction.
Also, I can barely tell what these new guys are really like because in their videos and TV performances, the cameras are flying about everywhere so fast and cutting to another shot every 4 seconds, that it's damn hard to judge unless you see them in person. I thought Chris Brown did a wonderful job with his "Thriller" tribute at the WMA's. Of course, you have to have an open mind and realize that Chris interjected his own style into his routine. He added a few modern dance steps and that was fine. His tribute was heartfelt and entertaining. He showed his love and respect for Michel while not losing a sense of his own style and talent.  what thriller tribute were YOU watching?http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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skyecute said: krayzie said: We are talking about a 16 year old kid. This guy at 16 already dances better than any other entertainer right now. Now hate it or love it. But that's the true. YES he's talented, and he can really sing live on stage. Chris brown don't even need back up dancers because he dances BETTER than his back up dancers. He can freestyle and improvise easily. He's a natural born dancer. This is where he's the best at. This is what differenciates him from all the other MJ impersonators like Timberlake, Usher, Marques Houston etc who are overchoreograhped. He's got many years to improve and find his own style. Thank you, I agtee with every word that you said. Chris Brown IS talented. He can dance his ass off AND sing just as well. He is always classy,humble and respectful, much like his idol Michael Jackson. I respect his talent and I respect the fact that he recognizes Michael's influence. Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul, recently said that Chris Brown is one of the most exciting and talented artists out there at the moment. I really am getting tired of this "snobbish" attitude that a lot a people have that a person can't be an artist or talented unless they play a guitar or some other instrument. There are many things that go into being an "artist", playing an instrument is not the sole requisite for being talented. Frank Sinatra was talented, he didn't play an instrument or write his own songs. The same goes for such musical giants as Ella Fitzgerald, Marian Anderson,Fred Astaire,etc. The fact that Prince can is an amazing instrumentalist,songwriter and performer is a plus for him. The fact that Michael Jackson is an amazing singer,dancer,songwriter and performer is a bonus for him. Both of these men are genius in their own right. That still doesn't mean that young performers like Chris Brown aren't talented. Let's give Chris Brown his due, he is a wonderful singer, dancer, entertainer and he IS talented. Wow. This post really needs visual proof to back it up... http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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2ndRevolution said: BlaqueKnight said: Chris Brown can dance. I'd put down money that 98% of the people who say he's not that good can't out dance him in the style that he does. Even though all these dudes come from the MJ school of entertainment style, you have to give them a chance to grow into their own. The industry is not like it was; people can't seem to get that through their heads. The pressure to be successful is ENORMOUS and if the musical heroes of our day were under the same constraints, chances are there would be no Prince.org.
I like the footwork in this video. Its exciting. Stiff ass Justin T. and cats like Ne-Yo NEED slick choreography because they aren't natural dancers but Chris, like Sisqo, can get down and durty because he is a natural dancer and puts 110% into the work. The video concept, the outfits, etc. fall on the responsibility of others, not Chris Brown. Blame the video director if you think its too much like Thriller, not Chris. That's not his doing. I think the kid's got a spark. Whether or not he can start a fire remains to be seen. As for Usher, well when he opened up for Janet on the Velvet Rope tour, he was dancing his ass off. I liked his choreography better than Janet's. It was raw and street, his dancers were street and Usher was, too. His video choreography is slicker than his show choreography was. I'm just glad he finally learned WHEN to sing and when to dance. That's something that MJ has had over all of his successors. [Edited 7/4/07 10:39am] No, Chris Brown CAN NOT dance. I'd put money on THAT shit. I saw him on some MJ tribute earlier this year and he "performed" Thriller and embarassed himself on that stage. He's like 6'2 or some shit and just lanky as hell. If he practiced or got some lessons or something, I sure he could dance. And he can't sing either. I need him to stop. NOW. All the people who say "He can't dance" have no argument. But I repeat, go find me another 16 year old boy who can dance and sing like him ? This kid is a prodigy when it comes to dance. Period I think he has a lot of similarties with the teenage Michael Jackson. First of he's very skinny, he's also very energic and he's extremly well coordinated in his moves (which is the most impressive). Being so smooth so young shows that he's definitely a natural born dancer. You can't teach that. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: skyecute said: I thought Chris Brown did a wonderful job with his "Thriller" tribute at the WMA's. Of course, you have to have an open mind and realize that Chris interjected his own style into his routine. He added a few modern dance steps and that was fine. His tribute was heartfelt and entertaining. He showed his love and respect for Michel while not losing a sense of his own style and talent. wow... that shit was a disaster... When usher did the tribute concerts back in o7 he interjected his own style and it was great... chris brown was fumblin How old is Usher, how old is Chris Brown Chris brown would destroy your Usher in a dance battle easily... And Chris Brown is not even in his prime... | |
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Chris is talented, he just needs to stop pretending he's Michael. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: lonelygurl8305 said: Thanks for respecting my opinion...I think we seriously need to give new talent a chance...My cousin told me that he didnt like Prince when he first came out, cause he thought he was a gay faggot, but he came around to liking him... By the way, I love salami, simply tasty! I have nothing against new talent... I have something against biters ... I understand your cousins opinion of prince... Cause damn near everybody thought prince was gay, in a way prince was asking for it... he was in fact wearing lace... and tiny short shorts... But this is not a matter of talent, its a matter of biting and impersonation, the fact that youu don't think he's biting mj means i can't touch you you're opinion is sacred and i'd never tried to take it down but i do see it, so does the majority of the cats up in this thread. Krayzie's an exception i swear he just dwells into MJ threads just to piss off everyone lol Chris Brown along with everyone else are chasing thriller... thinking that if you mimick the man you can break down his barriers... You don't create new directions in music by following the footsteps of a legend... Chris needs to talk to his label, because they only see him as another MJ knock off that won't last 5 years and they are marketing him this way... If he has was shred of talent and prescience, he should ggrab the reigns of his career and point it at a new direction. or he will fade away... Like every other new artist that comes out these days... Chris Brown is only 18 year old, ONLY 18 MOTHERFUCKIN YEAR OLD !!!! Do you remember when YOUR MICHAEL JACKSON WAS 18 YEAR OLD AND USED TO IMPERSONATE HIS IDOL JAMES BROWN ALL THE TIME ???? There's nothing wrong, he'll find his style , LET HIM DOING HIS THING. H'e still too young [Edited 7/4/07 16:49pm] | |
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Yeah...he can't dance? Riiiight. 
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BlaqueKnight said: Yeah...he can't dance? Riiiight.
If by "dancing" you mean stepping on beat with the music, then yes, he can do that. http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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2ndRevolution said: BlaqueKnight said: Yeah...he can't dance? Riiiight.
If by "dancing" you mean stepping on beat with the music, then yes, he can do that. Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 2ndRevolution said: If by "dancing" you mean stepping on beat with the music, then yes, he can do that. Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. BBoys like Daylight, Waka, Mijo, Los Boogie, Prince Top, Minnesota Joe etc.. I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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BlaqueKnight said: 2ndRevolution said: If by "dancing" you mean stepping on beat with the music, then yes, he can do that. Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. Timberfuck has more rhythm that Chris Brown. I don't even like him but I'll give him that. You're acting like CB straight up invented dancing. [Edited 7/4/07 19:07pm] http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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EmbattledWarrior said: BlaqueKnight said: Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. BBoys like Daylight, Waka, Mijo, Los Boogie, Prince Top, Minnesota Joe etc.. Can they sing and perform on stage ? Nope | |
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2ndRevolution said: BlaqueKnight said: Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. Timberfuck has more rhythm that Chris Brown. I don't even like him but I'll give him that. You're acting like CB straight up invented dancing. [Edited 7/4/07 19:07pm] Who said he straight up invented dancing.? Seriously I know excatly why some people over there hate so much CB ... | |
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krayzie said: 2ndRevolution said: Timberfuck has more rhythm that Chris Brown. I don't even like him but I'll give him that. You're acting like CB straight up invented dancing. [Edited 7/4/07 19:07pm] Who said he straight up invented dancing.? Seriously I know excatly why some people over there hate so much CB ... I said ACTING. And I don't hate him, I don't know him, but the media (and certain folks around here) need to stop acting like he's the new Messiah of music or something. http://prince.org/msg/100/263154?&pg=2
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krayzie said: EmbattledWarrior said: BBoys like Daylight, Waka, Mijo, Los Boogie, Prince Top, Minnesota Joe etc.. Can they sing and perform on stage ? Nope we never said anything about singing, Singing & dancing at the same time is not a talent its mechanic that needs to be learned much like singing and playing guitar. Mj sang the whole Bad tour and danced and some of dangerous he choose not too now because well... he's old lol and its harder to do now Is it a talent? no Anybody who wants to do it can, but people just dont want to put in the extra effort, thats all Chris aint special cause he does it now Mediocre singing and mediocre dancing does not make you a superstar unless your fuckin madonna, which he is not... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: krayzie said: Can they sing and perform on stage ? Nope we never said anything about singing, Singing & dancing at the same time is not a talent its mechanic that needs to be learned much like singing and playing guitar. Mj sang the whole Bad tour and danced and some of dangerous he choose not too now because well... he's old lol and its harder to do now Is it a talent? no Anybody who wants to do it can, but people just dont want to put in the extra effort, thats all Chris aint special cause he does it now Mediocre singing and mediocre dancing does not make you a superstar unless your fuckin madonna, which he is not... You hasn't answered to my question, can they sing and perform like Chris Brown, Yes or No ? | |
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krayzie said: EmbattledWarrior said: we never said anything about singing, Singing & dancing at the same time is not a talent its mechanic that needs to be learned much like singing and playing guitar. Mj sang the whole Bad tour and danced and some of dangerous he choose not too now because well... he's old lol and its harder to do now Is it a talent? no Anybody who wants to do it can, but people just dont want to put in the extra effort, thats all Chris aint special cause he does it now Mediocre singing and mediocre dancing does not make you a superstar unless your fuckin madonna, which he is not... You hasn't answered to my question, can they sing and perform like Chris Brown, Yes or No ? Of course not they're Bboys not singers but they could Hell if Mijo learned to sing, he'd be damn near unstoppable... but you got me there I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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2ndRevolution said: krayzie said: Who said he straight up invented dancing.? Seriously I know excatly why some people over there hate so much CB ... I said ACTING. And I don't hate him, I don't know him, but the media (and certain folks around here) need to stop acting like he's the new Messiah of music or something. Why do you want them to stop acting like he's the new Messiah of music ? What seems to bother you so much ? This is how the media have always hyped new young artists. Nothing new... Did you know that prince was Promoted as the new Stevie Wonder ? | |
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krayzie said: The Thriller tribute cover was terrible. It was mostly due to the fact that Chris Brown stupidely tried to cover the song in the exact same key as the original song on stage which was suicidal.
Chris Brown can't hit the notes that Michael Jackson hits. So he screwed up the performance... That's true, and it's mostly the fault of the show's producers there - nothing was prepared and they probably only used the original backing track because you had MJ's adlibs and backing vocals in there with CB being forced to sing the lead vocal in that key. The whole night was a shambles. Still, it really showed off the difference between MJ's voice compared to all the R&B kids. CB's attempts weren't any worse than Usher could have done. | |
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krayzie said: 2ndRevolution said: I said ACTING. And I don't hate him, I don't know him, but the media (and certain folks around here) need to stop acting like he's the new Messiah of music or something. Why do you want them to stop acting like he's the new Messiah of music ? What seems to bother you so much ? This is how the media have always hyped new young artists. Nothing new... Did you know that prince was Promoted as the new Stevie Wonder ? *starts checking his issues of Right On!* when? I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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BTW, when Michael Jackson was 18 years old he was doing the Jacksons TV Show. He was doing his Fred Astaire/Nicholas Brothers shit back then. He was 10/11 when he was jacking James Brown and had pretty much developed out of that by the time he was 15. But to give CB the benefit of the doubt, MJ found fame earlier in life. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: BlaqueKnight said: Okay then, who FROM THE 21ST CENTURY would you offer up as an example of a good dancer? Please spare lame impossibilities like "there are none" and if you say Timberfake, I will laugh your ass off the org. BBoys like Daylight, Waka, Mijo, Los Boogie, Prince Top, Minnesota Joe etc.. Who are they? Friends of yours or something?
How about some KNOWN RECORDING ARTISTS THAT DANCE? When those guys/girls/whatever you mentioned put out a record, then we can talk. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: lonelygurl8305 said: Thanks for respecting my opinion...I think we seriously need to give new talent a chance...My cousin told me that he didnt like Prince when he first came out, cause he thought he was a gay faggot, but he came around to liking him... By the way, I love salami, simply tasty! I have nothing against new talent... I have something against biters ... I understand your cousins opinion of prince... Cause damn near everybody thought prince was gay, in a way prince was asking for it... he was in fact wearing lace... and tiny short shorts... But this is not a matter of talent, its a matter of biting and impersonation, the fact that youu don't think he's biting mj means i can't touch you you're opinion is sacred and i'd never tried to take it down but i do see it, so does the majority of the cats up in this thread. Krayzie's an exception i swear he just dwells into MJ threads just to piss off everyone lol Chris Brown along with everyone else are chasing thriller... thinking that if you mimick the man you can break down his barriers... You don't create new directions in music by following the footsteps of a legend... Chris needs to talk to his label, because they only see him as another MJ knock off that won't last 5 years and they are marketing him this way... If he has was shred of talent and prescience, he should ggrab the reigns of his career and point it at a new direction. or he will fade away... Like every other new artist that comes out these days... What about James Brown, What about Jimi Hendrix, What about Sly and the Family stone. I think that Prince got his musical style from the people that I mentioned, but he still had a bit of his own style...Chris Brown loves Micheal Jackson, but I don't think he wants to BE Micheal in any way, shape form or fashion...he even did a tribute performance to him over the weekend at the concert that I saw him @...I really truly dont think Chris Brown wants to be Micheal Jackson... [Edited 7/4/07 20:13pm] | |
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Ellie said: BTW, when Michael Jackson was 18 years old he was doing the Jacksons TV Show. He was doing his Fred Astaire/Nicholas Brothers shit back then. He was 10/11 when he was jacking James Brown and had pretty much developed out of that by the time he was 15. But to give CB the benefit of the doubt, MJ found fame earlier in life.
Exactly. Michael stopped imitating James Brown long before he turned 18. He had already developed his own style by then. I do like Chris Brown though and he's still very young so he has a lot of time to develop his own style as well. [Edited 7/4/07 20:16pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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lonelygurl8305 said: EmbattledWarrior said: I have nothing against new talent... I have something against biters ... I understand your cousins opinion of prince... Cause damn near everybody thought prince was gay, in a way prince was asking for it... he was in fact wearing lace... and tiny short shorts... But this is not a matter of talent, its a matter of biting and impersonation, the fact that youu don't think he's biting mj means i can't touch you you're opinion is sacred and i'd never tried to take it down but i do see it, so does the majority of the cats up in this thread. Krayzie's an exception i swear he just dwells into MJ threads just to piss off everyone lol Chris Brown along with everyone else are chasing thriller... thinking that if you mimick the man you can break down his barriers... You don't create new directions in music by following the footsteps of a legend... Chris needs to talk to his label, because they only see him as another MJ knock off that won't last 5 years and they are marketing him this way... If he has was shred of talent and prescience, he should ggrab the reigns of his career and point it at a new direction. or he will fade away... Like every other new artist that comes out these days... What about James Brown, What about Jimi Hendrix, What about Sly and the Family stone. I think that Prince got his musical style from the people that I mentioned, but he still had a bit of his own style...Chris Brown loves Micheal Jackson, but I don't think he wants to BE Micheal in any way, shape form or fashion...he even did a tribute performance to him over the weekend at the concert that I saw him @...I really truly dont think Chris Brown wants to be Micheal Jackson... [Edited 7/4/07 20:13pm] Well Chris would certainly like to have a music career like Michael no doubt and he has clearly been influenced by him. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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EmbattledWarrior said: Oh and i love Salami too ...
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lonelygurl8305 said: EmbattledWarrior said: I have nothing against new talent... I have something against biters ... I understand your cousins opinion of prince... Cause damn near everybody thought prince was gay, in a way prince was asking for it... he was in fact wearing lace... and tiny short shorts... But this is not a matter of talent, its a matter of biting and impersonation, the fact that youu don't think he's biting mj means i can't touch you you're opinion is sacred and i'd never tried to take it down but i do see it, so does the majority of the cats up in this thread. Krayzie's an exception i swear he just dwells into MJ threads just to piss off everyone lol Chris Brown along with everyone else are chasing thriller... thinking that if you mimick the man you can break down his barriers... You don't create new directions in music by following the footsteps of a legend... Chris needs to talk to his label, because they only see him as another MJ knock off that won't last 5 years and they are marketing him this way... If he has was shred of talent and prescience, he should ggrab the reigns of his career and point it at a new direction. or he will fade away... Like every other new artist that comes out these days... What about James Brown, What about Jimi Hendrix, What about Sly and the Family stone. I think that Prince got his musical style from the people that I mentioned, but he still had a bit of his own style...Chris Brown loves Micheal Jackson, but I don't think he wants to BE Micheal in any way, shape form or fashion...he even did a tribute performance to him over the weekend at the concert that I saw him @...I really truly dont think Chris Brown wants to be Micheal Jackson... [Edited 7/4/07 20:13pm] Well its being disputed the Prince stole from Rick James but we're gonna leave that one alone... and What about james Jimi and Sly? all had original styles, they had influences but its only detectable to a keen observer any halfwit knows that Chris is biting off MJ fuck my 12 year old cousin knew he was biting MJ when he first came out he said and i quote "ever since Mj turned out to be a white freak the media has been looking for another one" which is why everyboodyy that mimicks his style is dubbed the NEw King of Pop tell me how the fuck can Rollingstone Dub Justin Timberlake the king of pop one year than dub Usher... cmon now Chris is just another biter, riding the coat tales of MJ's fame fuck you know what my beef goes deeper than this, Pop music needs to stop biting off MJ. Ever since thriller Dance and music has followed its schematic and has become tired and dated... there is no variety anymore... This Entertainer Mystique needs to die already, its turning music into a vegas side show... It was cool when MJ did it, but i don't even like it when he does it, because it just isn't original anymore so i guess thats my real beef... it just isn't original Chriis Brown, may be a great dancer, may be a great singer, performer whatever but he is not Original.. who is these days, fuck im really sad now, i think im gonna go to bed and Watch High fidelity Music sucks... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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BlaqueKnight said: EmbattledWarrior said: BBoys like Daylight, Waka, Mijo, Los Boogie, Prince Top, Minnesota Joe etc.. Who are they? Friends of yours or something?
How about some KNOWN RECORDING ARTISTS THAT DANCE? When those guys/girls/whatever you mentioned put out a record, then we can talk. google Bboy and their names and find out and you never said recordiing artist, nextt time specify and i already said Omarion could whip Chris's ass... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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