Aw, shit edit!

Heres my take on it, Labels are like dealers, they will sell what sells regardless of what it is and how good it is, its like anything else. BUT that old notion that labels have always been about money is BULLSHIT!! Sure the whole idea is always to make money, but the further you go back in time you will see how Labels were more willing to get behind the artist they believed in and push them even if they didnt sell right away. I mean how many points do we need to prove this. Well here U go...A comparison of todays standard and yesterdays standard.

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Prince- didnt "Sell" big till album 5.
U2- didnt "sell" big till album 5
Inxs- didnt "sell" big till album 6
REM- didnt sell big till album 6
Bon Jovi-didnt sell till album 3
John Mellencamp- didnt sell till 5

ALL of these artists and many others would be dropped now after 2 albums, if even, and also wouldnt have a label pushing them. The thing im sick of is when the industry PATS itself on the back everytime an Amy Whinehouse or Norah Jones pops up, lets be real these 2 were both WORD OF MOUTH artists, who one day soon will suffer that same talk of "dont sell like you used too" and get dropped. Youth is how things are marketed now, Stupid move since YOUTH is the most un-loyal thing out there, especially when you are throwing them meaningless stuff that anyone can do. Do you think in 15-20 years a 35 year old is going to be still be following Rihanna's career? NO, but the funny thing is i look at myself now and im still following my artists, who still record,still play, still make new music too. And along the way i will pick up on the new artists that see what i saw, like a Van Hunt or Norah or Alicia etc..

I liked their article where they said rap is going down in flames. Good to see.

Brendan said:

Those are some exceptionally fine (and related) points you've hit on.

Personally, as a functional adult, I don't have the time (as i've seen proclaimed here time and time again) to look for it.
My extra time will get devoted to looking for better mortgage/insurance rates, higher yield investments and what my kids are up to.


And as much as anyone tries to side step the subject...

Poor product = Poor sales

...regardless of the selling mechanism.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
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theAudience said:

Some people have to learn the hardway.

theAudience said:

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y

It's like radio. I didn't abandon radio becuase there were other really cool venues on the Internet to find and hear music. I abandoned radio because it Clear Channel clearly sucked.



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Imago said:

Exactly.

I dunno if its also been said.
but i hope we are all in the consensus that todays Artist are being manipulated into doing formulated music.
any creative type of artist will be dropped because they don't want to do what everybody else is doing (even if its selling)
Artist take alot of time before they fully nurture their talents
Neil Young dicked around with several bands and several solo albums before he finally hit money with Harvest. Same goes for Prince, U2 etc...
Ryan adams dicked around with whiskytown for a decade before he finally wrote Heartbreaker...
labels are not willing to invest time and money on an artist anymore...
1. because they lose too much money because it's a gamble...
So the system has to change...
the present state of the recording industry is a glorified Real Estate system...
you throw golden parachutes around fixer uppers and try to turn them over for a profit and when they don't deliver you drop em to cove your losses...
Somethings gotta be done... and its gonna happen soon.

theAudience said:

Not that true.

Just just 6 years ago sales were very high, not because of the good product.
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Eventually I see the entire industry as we know it collapse.

Much of that collapse can be blamed on themselves

krayzie said:

You'll get sporadic sales spikes.
But in the long run, people will get tired of getting their pockets picked.

Remember...

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

...Abraham Lincoln (allegedly)


But then again...

There's a sucker born every minute...and two to take 'em.

...Joseph Bessimer (allegedly)





tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

I kinda disagree... because people are stupid..
a person may be intelligent , but the masses of the population are morons
i mean these are the cats made Steve Guttenberg popular
and if that name rings a bell
its this dumb f*ck...

Ever since people figured out how to make money off radio, it's been deeply flawed.

All I'm saying is that it's more flawed now than ever. It will either change or implode upon itself.

You can't keep marginalizing people for ever. Soon the money runs out.

I don't speak for my generation. The best radio was long before I was born.

Brendan said:

Well Stated. You've made some valid points.

KatSkrizzle said:

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