whatsgoingon said:

Perhaps he feels Human when he's with his Brothers & he feels like the "King Of Pop" when he's alone. We all know that Kings feel they don't have 2 talk 2 there loyal subjects. After all..we should be grateful 2 be in his Royal Presence. "Sha Mon!"

Bishop31 said:

I wonder about this too because even tho Michael is or was a great dancer one thing I’m not too sure about is his work ethic to physical fitness. I know he use to swim but now I never hear of him doing much physical work other than an occasional jaunt on a vacation.

Professional dancers have strong flexible bodies. The fact that MJ has this hunch thing makes me wonder about his back and just overall fitness. You don’t have to be muscular to be strong and from recent pics his midsection or core looks weak and everything stems from the core including his diaphragm which then leads to his voice.

Does he run or cycle for stamina? Supposedly he has a black belt in some form of martial arts? I find this hard to believe it being anything other than honorary since it takes years and in some cases decades of training. He would carry himself differently and even appear more solid or weighted in his frame. The guy still looks like if he got caught in a windstorm he’d break apart.

Wembley '78? That was a theatre that's now been knocked down. Wembley holds about 50 times as many people at least. See, in the Jacksons Epic era, pre Off The Wall, audience interraction was easier because of the small venues.

The larger the venues got, the less he felt he needed to interract and it was just a bunch of "I love yous" being repeated.

I have to stand up for him over one thing though - he's never just moonwalked all over a stage. I really find that quite insulting that people think his dancing is limited to just that when it's just blatantly not.

He's had some amazing live performances in the 90s, but they're just not consistently great. She's Out of My Life and IJCSLY in Brunei '96 are the best I've ever heard him live as an adult.

Ellie said:

Yes, My point exactly. "Not consistantly great". Thats what worries me. It seems like a Downword spiral with his stage performance these days. I'm not so concerned with the dancing so much because I know he can't always do those things at this age. But now his voice(when not lip synching) even sounds...how do I say it....less than Superb. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying 2 bash MJ, I love the guy so I want 2 see the best from him.

The thing that I'm wondering is does MJ even feel the need 2 Practice VOCALLY & Dancing. Or does he have the mindset that "I'm Fucking Michael Jackson & all of my shows will sell out regardless of what I do on stage. I can even take a shit on stage & my fans will be passing out.."

But seriously...he just doesn't look sharp anymore.

JackieBlue said:

But even when he was young I notice the hunch a little, it's just that it wasn't that pronounce. Could it be something he was born with or could starting so young have physically effected his body.?

Bishop31 said:

Yes, I worry about that too. I sometimes wonder why I should care so much. I've been around him when he's being hounded by the fanfare, and if you've been there multiple times and what goes on with the diehard fanatics, you begin to see that he brings a lot of the unconditional adulation on himself. Your family should love you unconditionally, whereas your remaining fans are only going to hang around until they're bored of the nostalgia.

It's not like 20 years ago when there would be hundreds of people outside hotels, different people every day. Now it's just the same groups that turn up, and the more attention he pays to the sycophants, the more sane people he drives away. The less order being demanded (including amonngst his employees), the more people are going to shit on him. It comes to a point where you can't play the victim and blame everything on naivety anymore.

Bishop31 said:

that whole 2001-2004 period was horrible , he looks in 100% better shape and he looks way better. we'll have to wait and see

Sometimes I wish I was his manager/adviser. Mainly to bring him back to the King of Pop seat.

He really needs to..

- see a vocal coach (!!!!)
- sports
- lose the wig
- eat better
- get his confidence back (yes Michael, you need to prove yourself right now)
- a good manager
- a good record company
- do an unplugged show to show you still got the vocals
- record a duet with your biggest rival
- bring back old friends like Greg Phillinganes, Rod Temperton & Quincy
- never work with artists like Akon
- lose the crappy high pitched voice cos we ain't in the BAD era anymore
- stop the hee-hee's as well, only when needed in songs as The Way You Make Me Feel
- we want the fedora back
- do your hair
- stop lipsynching
- get real
- and last but not least, if you're having fun; we're having fun.

i'm sure I forgot something but this is it for now
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Ronnuz said:

Nice. You, guys, are too much sometimes.




He´s been "gone" for so long and so much s**t that has surrounded him in the past few years that it seems that most ppl do not want to have anything to do with him. No wonder it´s just the same fanatics following him everywhere. And of course, Mike´s enjoying it. He´s glad to see having fans after all that has been happening.

Anyways, Mike really needs to eat and fill those pants again. Check the pictures.

Ellie said:

Glad to see some diehards waking up !
Nobody could've been a bigger MJ fan than me between 1976-1984 but at some point THE MAGIC aint enough to distort reality !

Remember i'm a big MJ-fan. I am saying this just to help MJ. The things I summed up are really things he should do, imo.

Ronnuz said:

Meh, everything but the Quincy thing. No-one's asking Berry Gordy for his services these days, are they? So why should an old fart like Q be of any use to hit records now? What was the last big [non-Jazz] success he last had? Q could be on his death bed and old MJ fans will still be in the mindset that a reunion between the two could still be any good.

prettymansson said:

why do soo many fans wanna see him do the same dance routines and wear the same shit year after year? maybe that's part of the problem he's feels force to play the same act for 20 years and now he's bored.


would you be opposed to differnt arrangements and dancing and costumes to maybe give him a spark?

ehuffnsd said:

Oh Yes! I would Love 2 see MJ switch it up for a change. He seems 2 do all the same songs & dance routines all the time. He has become extremely 2 Predictable on Stage. I mean, have U ever watched 2 shows from the same Tour? Its almost IDENTICAL with VERY FEW variations in the show. Like he just wants 2 do just enough 2 finish the Tour & get back 2 Neverland.

Thats the thing that makes me so excited 2 go 2 a Prince Concert, because at least I know that Im gonna hear a different Guitar solo on some of my favorite songs. Or we might even get an extended Jam from a song if he's in his mood.

Why has MJ never done any Aftershow type gigs? How awesome would it be 2 hear Human Nature in an Acoustic setting. Not 2 start another Prince vs MJ thread..but that was always my complaint with MJ. He just doesn't seem 2 truly LOVE 2 per4m like our Purple friend does. So maybe thats the reason why Prince is in such great Stage shape & MJ is a bit..err Rusty?

Ellie said:

Okay, you're right about that. I was thinking about this when I was summing it up, but I just think Quincy is amazing. But yes, he's too old and I don't think he wants to do something with Michael, since Michael is not the same as in the 80s.

Ellie said:

I do agree w/that. MJ does like to play the victim role too often and he needs to finally take responsibility for things that have gone wrong in his life and career.
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Bishop31 said:

Well not anymore anyway. To me it just doesn't seem like MJ likes performing anymore. However if he ever does decide to perform again I would def. like to see him switch things up. An acoustic version of "Human Nature" or "I Can't Help It" would kick @$$! I really wish he would do an unplugged concert.
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Bishop31 said:

If you look at the Jacksons concert each one was different. Infact the Bad Concert was quite similiar to the victory concert. Also as a solo artist he became a brand and cultivated a signature style; the Fedora, the moonwalk, Billie jean, Thriller and Beat it. They become a compulsory part in any concert he did.

With the Jacksons he didn't have that pressure, apart from the J5 medley of ABC/I want You back/I be there, songs would be a mixture of several albums don't forget back in those days the Jacksons could put out 4 albums within 4 years easily, therefore songs were always revolving.

Furthermore many of his songs post Thriller were made for the Video, thus he would repeat the videos on stage abd therefore doing similiar dance routines again and again. With the Jacksons most of their songs had no video so they could be alot more flexible. Michael by himself is just very static and can't seem to help it.
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Ellie said:

Wasn't it how he had one of his bodyguards to tell the fans to leave last time he was in London. They cause ALOT of trouble when he was going to that party

And Ronnuz, I definitely agree with your points! I remember on Access Hollywood when Billy Bush suggested Michael that he could do a intimate tour of unplugged shows, he said "Wow, I never thought of that" and was interested UNTIL THAT BITCH ASS WILL I AM interrupted "No, he's Michael Jackson, it has to be BIG". I wanted to go inside my TV and whoop his monkey ass.

I would open up that vault and release so much material:
a "Making of Thriller" DVD
a "Moonwalker" DVD
a "Bad World Tour" DVD. Fans have been waiting for this!
a Jacksons remix compilation like those Jackson 5 Soul Source collections.
a 4 CD set of unreleased material

Michael used to perform. Look at the Triumph Tour, the Victory Tour, hell, even the Bad Tour! He enjoyed it. You can see the strain during the 1996-97 Tour. I think everything that went on in 1993-95 took a toll on him
Even when Sony kept pushing Invincible's release back, he took his time because he wanted time away. Look at pictures from 1998-99, that's the most healthy I've seen him in years, and wore slightly darker makeup!
I don't give a damn if he doesn't moonwalk or does the spin, as long as I get to see him live.
Hopefully with this album and possible tour, he'll get the old feeling back

*Sigh* I just really hope MJ has finally gotten it together now. I've been a big fan of Michael's for over 25 years now but over the past few years it's just been one bad thing after the next. He hasn't given the fans a lot of good things to talk about lately as far as his career is concerned. I keep hoping things will change and that musically he will do something incredible once again but I don't know. I mean If he's not being sued then it's something else. It's just always something negative w/him. All I want is some good music/performances already.
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ehuffnsd said:

OMG you hit the nail on the head! He even said it himself he enjoys doing a song differently but it's always what the fans want.
For being right, you get another

bboy87 said:

moonwalker is already out on dvd in the UK
and a couple of years ago the ultimate collection was released which contained previously unreleased material and the hits including his newest song which never got enough attention "We've had Enough" it also included the dangerous burcheist dvd

I thinking if he were to ever doing another concert why not replace the J5 medley of I want You Back/Got to be there/ Love You Save with something like Stand/Feelin Alright/Looking through the Windows.

Rather them the Billie Jean/Beat it/Thriller/Smooth criminal( and (those other videos that he does on stage) why not replace that with something like Off The Wall(Which I have rarely heard at his solo concerts)/Don't stop/Can you feel it.
Instead of doing She's out of my Life why not replace it with Lady in My Life or I can't help it. I know he needs to do his Billie Jeans and his new songs, of course, but there are so many other classic songs that he has done that he rarely uses at his concerts.

And videos like "The Making of Thriller" and "Moonwalk" have already been release in the pass, these are not rare videos. The Making of Thriller was nr 1 for weeks on the video charts when it first came out in 1984. And as someone said Moonwalk was also number 1 for a time. Someone posted the "Legend continues" video on Youtube and they presented it as the "Lost documentary" as if it was something that had never been seen before, whereas when it came out in 87 it was nr 1 for weeks. If he needs to open his vault it's the stuff from the Motown and the Epic eras that should be opened up, because they are the things that no videos were ever made of them in the first place. I mean why in the hell has the Truimph concert never been put on video or the Victory tours.? It just begs the question.
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SoulAlive said:

I also want Michael to do an Un-plugged set. His voice is what made me a fan. An un-plugged set with the songs that you listed would be wonderful. I have to say that I know people who went to the MSG concerts and were blown away by Michael's performance. They loved it. There were also a lot of callers on the radio station who went and were glowing in their reviews.

Cinnamon234 said:

I think that we all need to stop and REMEMBER what this man has been through. In the last five years, Michael has been through pure hell. All some of you are thinking is "Where is the Music?" I am only thinking of his physical and emotional well-being. Can any of us imagine the toll that it took on Michael to have to sit through a trial where you knew that you were being framed and that your personal life was exposed, manipulated and fabricated at every turn. To not know if you were ever going to see your children again or be in prison for the rest of your life. These things took a huge chunk of Michael's soul, self-esteem, confidence, etc. He is working has hard as he can while trying to overcome those things plus the upcoming lawsuits. Michael is also facing the constant barrage of contrived negativity from the media and from those who are trying to hinder his comeback. Those are NOT things of his own making and anyone who thinks or says so is very naive or sadly mistaken. There is no other artist in history who has had to face these sort of things in their career. Don't compare MJ to Prince, Madonna or any of his peers. None of them have gone through what he has. None of them have people trying to sabotage everything that they do. None of them have the media intentionally making up lies about them at every corner. The fact that he still WANTS to make music is a miracle within itself. Most people with even a tenth of what he has to endure would have given up long ago. Sadly, Michael feels that he OWES his fans. He doesn't owe me anything. If he retired tomorrow, I would still support and respect him as much as I ever have. Truly, I really don't know how continues to endure the stress, pressure and negativity on a daily basis. Of course, he continues because he is strong.
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b3xy said:

-I'm talking about a worldwide DVD release with special features, also it's out of print in North America.
-The Ultimate Collection was released at a REALLY BAD time and alot of people didn't know about. Many stores wouldn't put it on the shelves(It was really hard for me to find it so I ordered it)It was also a contractual obligation
-The Making of Thriller has been way out of print

I agree, the guy has loads of unreleased material(The upcoming auction will have nearly a hundred tapes of unreleased songs)
The Motown stuff will probably be hard to come by since they were horrible with tracking things(A collection of reels by Stevie were just found and auctioned off!)

whatsgoingon said:

he and Janet both do that... they don't have to. Kylie, Britney, Christina, and to a much larger extent someone else are all video stars that totally redeux their stage shows each tour.

to me that says he either isn't confident in coming up with something differnt, isn't sure his FANS want something new, or is lazy when it comes to the stage show.

The Victory tour was great.... i haven't needed to see it on the next 3 tours.

I would love to see him come up with something new.

i'm dying to see him in concert, i used to get so excited when I first got my hands on all those solo tour tapes, but I understand what you all are saying about all the repetition. I find it boring to sit through the bad, dangerous & history tours back to back cause there are so many similarities. Although I'm entertained and I've improved my dancing thanks to studying those moves, I can only watch one concert at a time.

If he announced he was going on tour this instant, I would be there in a second no matter what. But I would prefer it so much more, and for my money's worth if he sang live and did a bunch of songs that we don't normally see. I can't believe he's never done a mindblowing performance of who is it, EVER! I liked michael since I was a kid, but didn't call myself a fan or see him as a great artist until I started buying his albums, before that I thought of him as a video and dance artist, but I prefer his voice to his dancing from the j5 era till present.

ehuffnsd said:

Can it be his brothers boosted his confidence and allowed him to be more flexible on stage, because they each had an input how they wanted their stage show to be.

I find it so ironic that although fans go on about the Bad and Dangerous tours. Mj best tour ever which was listed in the best tours of all time was the Truimph tour back in 80/81 and this list was compiled well after the Bad tour. It just goes to show that Michael with his brothers is better, even his mother noted that.