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Any Frank ZAPPA fans here? I was ignorant to zappa for years; i only fot into him after seeing him on youtube now i have about 30 albums.
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yes, but i have to admit that i got tired about him for the last 2, 3 years. its only the mothers of invention albums (and a handful of later releases, as Jazz From Hell, or the three 88 live packages) that keep me somewhat interested. unfortunately, that is, cause he is one of my heroes.
i do believe he should have put out less product, after all. | |
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SenseOfDoubt said: yes, but i have to admit that i got tired about him for the last 2, 3 years. its only the mothers of invention albums (and a handful of later releases, as Jazz From Hell, or the three 88 live packages) that keep me somewhat interested. unfortunately, that is, cause he is one of my heroes.
i do believe he should have put out less product, after all. lil jon says ' whaaaaat' There's thousands of potential releases in the vaults still. I know what your saying; i think some of the stuff could of been edited to make it amazing instead of living stupid stuff in like onstage theatrics which are pointless when you can't see them. If every live release was just music most would be amazing. | |
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My brother turned me on to Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention in the late 60's/early 70's.....my favorite album is 200 Motels.....
Yes, he turned out a lot of product, but too much? Not sure I agree.....I do not find it necessary to 'see' the theatrics in order to enjoy his music....IMHO.  "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive."
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cubic61052 said: My brother turned me on to Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention in the late 60's/early 70's.....my favorite album is 200 Motels.....
Yes, he turned out a lot of product, but too much? Not sure I agree.....I do not find it necessary to 'see' the theatrics in order to enjoy his music....IMHO. 200 motels? I have heard mixed things about that; can i have a little review? | |
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i am a big zappa fan. he is without doubt, my favorite guitar player of all time. he was a great composer, band leader and muscian.
in terms of "too much product" i wholly disagree. first of all i have everything he released, and look forward to new releases by the fz family trust. and secondly, i have had this discussion about both zappa and prince. for me, if an artist puts out 20 albums worth of material, 10 of which you deem A material, 5 of which you deem B material, and 5 of which you deem C material. the C material does not in anyway devalue the 10 albums of A material. the typical discussion in a prince related topic is diamonds and pearls album or emancipation. the presence of jughead and push (which i think, totally suck) does not make it a shitty album, that album has gett off, strollin', diamonds and pearls, willing and able, and thunder which are great songs which make it a really good album. the same thing goes for emancipation, the presence of lesser material doesn't devalue the great material. also, the thing about fz is that the stuff he released is so diverse. one of the last posts said that 200 motels was one of their favorites. a lot of people would say that 200 motels, "shouldn't have been released" because it had too much "comedy music/routines" in it. but other people really love that stuff. if you got 100 fz fans together, and asked them which albums are the ones he shouldn't have released, you wouldn't get a consensus. ++ [Edited 6/2/07 2:44am] ------------------------------------------------
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Been a Zappa fan since the days of The Mothers of Invention and Freak Out.
Got to watch them rehearse during their stint at The Garrick Theatre. Billy Mundi (drummer at the time) gave me a pre-release copy of Absolutely Free. And as a matter of fact, i'm about to log off and watch... 
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jesuslickmyballs said: cubic61052 said: My brother turned me on to Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention in the late 60's/early 70's.....my favorite album is 200 Motels.....
Yes, he turned out a lot of product, but too much? Not sure I agree.....I do not find it necessary to 'see' the theatrics in order to enjoy his music....IMHO. 200 motels? I have heard mixed things about that; can i have a little review? I find it humorous, maybe even mucially 'messy' at times, some intriguing composition..... Check it out....I don't have time right now to find a good review online for you, but just IMHO....worth a good listen....and, yes, most of Zappa's is listening music, not background music... The theatrics combined with the music is part of his artistry, but you can 'get there' listening and not seeing, if necessary. "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive."
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theAudience said: Been a Zappa fan since the days of The Mothers of Invention and Freak Out.
Got to watch them rehearse during their stint at The Garrick Theatre. Billy Mundi (drummer at the time) gave me a pre-release copy of Absolutely Free. And as a matter of fact, i'm about to log off and watch...
...Apostrophe (')/Over-Nite Sensation tA Tribal
Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 the bonus track of montana from the roxy december 1973 is awesome. i wish they'd go ahead and release the roxy dvd, that they said they would in tghe baby snakes dvd. ------------------------------------------------
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Zappa is my second favourate lead guitarist after Hendrix. Especially on his 'Shut Up and Play Your Guitar' and 'Guitar' albums, he improvises so many great solos, some beautiful, some mean and cruel, some powerful and some just plain odd.
Unlike so many lead guitarists, he realised that his guitar had three lower sounding strings too  , which he used to generate some truly filthy, out there sounds. You expected the unexpected with a Zappa guitar solo, and with his music in general.
I'd kind of compare him to Duke Ellington, another very diverse and idiosyncratic composer/ bandleader. Duke had his unique 'Ellingtonia' music world, while Frank lived in his 'Zappaverse  , of 20th century avante-garde colliding with doo-wop, musically sophisticated hard rock & jazz rock (tho Frank wierdly always denied the 'J' word [jazz] existed in his music), tape manipulation, satire and general sick/ puerile humour.
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i am a zappa fan by association.
my mother is a HUGE zappa fanatic, and has been since she was a teenager and stumbled across a copy of "freak out!" in a wrecka stow. so i grew up listening to his music all through my childhood, and even though i didn't really appreciate it then, i've gotten into a few of his albums - i like "you are what you is", "shiek yerbouti" and "tinseltown rebellion" a lot...i think these albums are a good blend of his humor and weirdness with a lot of good, strong pop/rock melodies. i start to lose attention when i'm listening to a 20 minute zappa guitar solo, but i do appreciate his talent and think he was among the best. these days, when new zappa stuff comes out, i always buy it for my mom and surprise her with it, because she can't keep up with new albums/videos/etc. like she used to, but she loves him as much as she always has. so i've spent almost as much money on frank as i have on prince or bowie over the years! i'm a fan, dammit! | |
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medoc2003 said: i am a big zappa fan. he is without doubt, my favorite guitar player of all time. he was a great composer, band leader and muscian.
in terms of "too much product" i wholly disagree. first of all i have everything he released, and look forward to new releases by the fz family trust. and secondly, i have had this discussion about both zappa and prince. for me, if an artist puts out 20 albums worth of material, 10 of which you deem A material, 5 of which you deem B material, and 5 of which you deem C material. the C material does not in anyway devalue the 10 albums of A material. the typical discussion in a prince related topic is diamonds and pearls album or emancipation. the presence of jughead and push (which i think, totally suck) does not make it a shitty album, that album has gett off, strollin', diamonds and pearls, willing and able, and thunder which are great songs which make it a really good album. the same thing goes for emancipation, the presence of lesser material doesn't devalue the great material. also, the thing about fz is that the stuff he released is so diverse. one of the last posts said that 200 motels was one of their favorites. a lot of people would say that 200 motels, "shouldn't have been released" because it had too much "comedy music/routines" in it. but other people really love that stuff. if you got 100 fz fans together, and asked them which albums are the ones he shouldn't have released, you wouldn't get a consensus. ++ [Edited 6/2/07 2:44am] you are spot on... the "too much product" question, hm, i believe that he would have gotten more attention if he simply put out less product... and he would have deserved MORE attention. "just another zappa album? just another 3 lp set? just another double lp?" u get the picture. i think i was a bit harsh. i still love the man. i also could not mention one album i really find "obsolete" (i think francesco has its charms, and there are some good cuts on the Does Humor belong in Music? disc, which, as you see, might no be 2 of my alltime-faves)... | |
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theAudience said: Been a Zappa fan since the days of The Mothers of Invention and Freak Out.
Got to watch them rehearse during their stint at The Garrick Theatre. Billy Mundi (drummer at the time) gave me a pre-release copy of Absolutely Free. And as a matter of fact, i'm about to log off and watch...
...Apostrophe (')/Over-Nite Sensation tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 i JUST saw this in the shops for the first time yesterday! my mom loves the copy i sent her. she said that for non-zappa-family product, it was really impressive. what did you think? | |
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Miles said: Zappa is my second favourate lead guitarist after Hendrix. Especially on his 'Shut Up and Play Your Guitar' and 'Guitar' albums, he improvises so many great solos, some beautiful, some mean and cruel, some powerful and some just plain odd.
Unlike so many lead guitarists, he realised that his guitar had three lower sounding strings too , which he used to generate some truly filthy, out there sounds. You expected the unexpected with a Zappa guitar solo, and with his music in general.
I'd kind of compare him to Duke Ellington, another very diverse and idiosyncratic composer/ bandleader. Duke had his unique 'Ellingtonia' music world, while Frank lived in his 'Zappaverse , of 20th century avante-garde colliding with doo-wop, musically sophisticated hard rock & jazz rock (tho Frank wierdly always denied the 'J' word [jazz] existed in his music), tape manipulation, satire and general sick/ puerile humour.
We shall not see his like again. When it came to music, he was truly experimental and that's what liked about him. A lot of great musicians/bands started with Zappa including: Missing Persons and George Duke. | |
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Anxiety said: i JUST saw this in the shops for the first time yesterday! my mom loves the copy i sent her. she said that for non-zappa-family product, it was really impressive. what did you think? For the uninitiated, it's a pretty good overview of what he was about musically. Too bad they couldn't/didn't get more of the original "Mothers" for commentary. tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said:[quote] Anxiety said: i JUST saw this in the shops for the first time yesterday! Too bad they couldn't/didn't get more of the original "Mothers" for commentary. That's what I'm saying. | |
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cubic61052 said: jesuslickmyballs said: 200 motels? I have heard mixed things about that; can i have a little review? I find it humorous, maybe even mucially 'messy' at times, some intriguing composition..... Check it out....I don't have time right now to find a good review online for you, but just IMHO....worth a good listen....and, yes, most of Zappa's is listening music, not background music... The theatrics combined with the music is part of his artistry, but you can 'get there' listening and not seeing, if necessary. Intersting Opinion of Zappa. What I liked about him was that he knew how to push them evelope and didn't give a fuck what anybody thought.All the purple cool aid drinkers  are going to hate me for posting this song b/c they'll think this 80 song lyrics may have some what of a crossover reference to a certain individual but who cares. Anyway check it out: You Are What You Is http://www.youtube.com/wa...ay5S6hWJI [Edited 6/14/07 13:58pm] | |
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Thanks for the clip.....I've never seen that one before....familiar with the song, though.
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cubic61052 said: Thanks for the clip.....I've never seen that one before....familiar with the song, though.
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