heartbeatocean said:

This is one of the most funnest threads ever for me



I actually haven't read the dissertations, except for the first time I read them. I have to go back and revisit that thread for new juice



OK, just got back from that thread and read strict machine Interstingly enough, when I hear that song it makes me think of God. The ultimate and strictest machine So strict, it is able to operate everything from the grandness of galaxies to the tiniest of quarks. So ultimate that the force of it is able to contain and control the entire universe. Of course, you can make the same argument for a lover as well

I love your take tho!

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That's a fabulous interpretation. She deconstructs spirituality and technology...again back to the Big Brother references and brainwashing, but still, it's more a positive thing...

Reminds me of how Prince deconstructs spirituality and sexuality too.

Thanks for the thread, Supa.

heartbeatocean said:

It's even dedicated to you You so deserve a thread like this

You totally helped me make a normal listening experience an adventure of the mind

OK, all this fits so perfectly with the third album which is SuperNature. The full manifestation of the mixing of the humans and the machines. Taking nature to the next level! SuperNature!

Back to the mountain.....

What if she is an unwitting savior? Kind of like when Moses was atop the mountain receiving instruction from God? I pictured her receiving a new message and while she is drawn to the mountain and the machines, the larger society moves on without her. Perhaps the machines represent modernity and the conflict between them and the humans is the fear of progression, the fear of change. Look how some societies today are trying their best not to engage it.

Imagine the clash between classes of pre modern man. Mankind was at a fork in the road. One path leads to its destruction, one to its perpetuation. You had one group which communicated in symbols and one who developed writing and language. One who dwelled in caves and the other who built dwellings. One who existed in separate groups and one who conquered the vastness of the unkown and took pieces and formed cohesion. The birth of knowledge and a new world is born. Without the machines, man was doomed.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Yeah, she's kind of a Superhero...which fits into the pop culture '50s references too.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You mean a modern day savior of trying to bring humans and the machine together in a sort of spiritual collaboration to heal society?

I thought she was turning her back on modern society for a more "pure" existence? Giving up the materialist mountain (made of felt) for the real mountain?

heartbeatocean said:

Exactly! Someone who was brave enough and had a vision of how great they could be if they embraced the unknown.

Did you ever read this thread:

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/187019



As for turning her back on modern society, I feel it is the opposite. That she turned her back in order to bring something just as real. At the heart of it all though, she is still part of her natural element and ultimately cannot help but return there.....but amplified

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Wow, I wasn't sure I was getting what you're saying but THAT'S COOL. omg It's the era of the DJ who leads society to the mountain!!! Or brings THE NEW WORD back from the mountain!!! My whole interpretation of this keeps evolving.

I'll read your old thread a bit later. I'm have to go back to work now.

heartbeatocean said:

There certainly have been a few twists and turns hasn't there?



Not sure if you were around when we did the org mix off contest but one of the mixes I considered for submission is a mix that was inspired by Bjork's "Cvalda" from Selmasongs. My whole idea about that mix was "machine" and to debunk the belief that electronics is not music. Some believe it's only music if instruments are involved or if people are playing them. I don't believe that, at all. So the vision of my mix is a well oiled machine, separate songs as gears, different sizes but all striving for one purpose.....to bring the machine to life.

Just like in Dancer in the Dark where Bjork's character hears the machines as music. And just like you said earlier, that all things have a voice. Even rocks tossed off a cliff, bouncing along on its way down. Not a conventional voice but a voice nonetheless. I really feel this way about electronic music. It is as much a part of the world that the conventional instruments reside in, and instead of taking over, both can actually co-exist in harmony. Take PJ harvey's Is This Desire as an example