heartbeatocean said:

Do you have any idea how much I love analyzing music like this?

OK, is there anything hidden on the back cover? I have been looking for hidden signs and don't see anything

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yeah, me too. It's totally my thing.

heartbeatocean said:

OMgosh Ocean, I was thinking last night the amazing shit we'd come up with if we were on LSD

I think this is why music helps me write because I'm always looking for the real meaning to a song. I love ambiguous shit that you can basically mold into many different worlds.

All this talk inspired me to wear my Goldfrapp t-shirt to work today.

sextonseven said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I was thinking the title referred to the front cover then today it just occured to me that the back cover is a mountain Yes, I was walking around the city today contemplating new interpretations of Goldfrapp. So whereas the title refers to an artificial mountain of material...and possibly an aberrant sexuality (isn't she wearing a felt shirt?)...really, on the back, she's approaching the real mountain. She's on a path to feel the mountain, so to speak.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This reminds me of a performance I saw years ago in an underground theater gallery. There were two people performing: a woman who played sound-making toys and a man who sat at a mixer and processed, amplified and altered the sounds. The woman had dozens of toys and would pick up each one and play it like a little instrument. I've never forgotten the effect it had on me. I learned that every object possesses it's own idiosyncratic being and consciousness, it's own language and idiom. Most of us may never hear the voices of objects, but if we listen and pay attention, even the smallest, insignificant object possesses it's own song or statement.

Honestly, I don't think I need LSD.

heartbeatocean said:

So you're saying that the title could be referring to Alison's mountains being felt? I never thought about it that way.

sextonseven said:

I guess so.

sextonseven said:

What's that Prince lyric from CindyC?? Furry Mountain thing

heartbeatocean said:

Ok, that's what made me really love the idea of the mountain as the staging grounds for this conflict/union of worlds. Nature makes you feel all kinds of things.....wonder, marvel, amazement, joy. There is also the physical feelings of the air on your skin, the smell of the earth, the sight of the trees, the chill of the snow. Feeling in both senses of the word. The machines can be affected by one of those senses, the physical. The elements can potentially affect their operation with the heat or the cold or something like rust and yet they still don't know what it is to feel the emotion that nature evokes.

OK, I really noticed something. It seems we have established the "wails" as the language of the machines. A Machine opens up the album in a very disjointed way. She is trying to teach them her language and the machine is unable to speak in any other way than it's dismembered voice. It doesn't know how. So she whistles to the machines, seeing this as the most common way to mimic their language. She is teaching the machines how to speak. Later in Lovely Head, the machines emerge with a solid voice. One that rivals her whistle. Later on in Pilots, the machines and she have an established connection and now the machines speak in a blissful way.

I guess I don't need LSD either but seriously, if it were up in the mix we'd probably discover this is some Da vinci code kind of shit

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I like this new interpretation of the album title as feeling up Alison's mountains more than the original. The placement of the title on the front cover certainly could suggest that.

sextonseven said:

Exactly! Breast = Mountain. Gives whole new meaning to "felt Up" Felt Mountain, something that all men want to do The straight ones at least

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I heard about a pair of mountains that you wanted to feel too.

sextonseven said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Aren't you going to see those mountains at the end of this month?

sextonseven said:

Ok, I didn't exactly want to feel them. I just wanted to borrow them for a bit so I can tear some shit up with guys I normally don't have access to And yes, I will see those mountains for a week very very soon
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well you both might, if things work out well

applekisses said:

OK, there has to be a better way than me Hanibal lecturing your ass to borrow them things or my having an operation I wish they made Lee Press on tits

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The interesting and great thing about this machine/human relationship is that it's definitely ambiguous. It's not all negative or positive, but relational. There are both troubles and joys in it, danger, but even bliss at moments. It's a mature relationship. I love your idea that she is teaching the machines and they are learning to connect with her.

heartbeatocean said:

Well you can clearly hear a difference in the wails from Lovely Head to Pilots. The first wailing sounds desperate. The second wailing sounds soothed. In the beginning there is a communication barrier. She is trying to reach the machines and that is why she tries to teach them through whistling. And the whole time she her simple pondering and questioning is not lost on the machines.....

Frankenstein would want your mind.....

She recognizes the genius and beauty of the machines Perhaps, due to a natural fear of the unknown, the machines are harmful to the human race and she is spared because she actually wants to know them and sees them for what they really are..... Throughout the rest of the album you hear the machines speaking in different ways and perhaps she is the future, an example of an honest existence alongside the machines.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Honey...you know I'd let you rock 'em if I could.

applekisses said:

this has been occupying a lot of my thinking time

What if she represents a generation and they represent technology itself? You know how many older people are averse to technology and technologically challenged? They could be the humans who feel harmed by the machines. Just look at how important machines are to our daily lives. Most of us would be lost without them.....

I wonder what she'd think of this conversation! Too bad she'll never be able to read our thoughts

This would make for a really great class project

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I might see you there.

sextonseven said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

THIS IS SO GREAT!!! I hadn't quite put that thought into words, but her relationship with technology is cutting edge and something new. At first, I took these songs as pure critique of technology and nostagia for the "innocent" past (which is a typical 20th century critique, especially when you look at sci fi/robot movies from the 50s which express a great fear of technology dominating the world), but the more we talk about this, I realize it's much more integrated than that and definitely a 21st century take on 20th century issues.

Did you read my latest dissertation on Strict Machine? As Goldfrapp develops past the first album, the attitude toward technology even becomes ecstatic, reaching sexual heights. We're developing some serious thesis material here.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I shouldn't have told you and instead just showed up and said surprise!