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but in Europe I discovered them by hearing Glamout Boys on the radio several times. I didn't know if they were black or white,why should I? I just love their music! Love rears it's ugly head became a hit because people like those kind of power/rock-ballads and because it came out at the right time!! RHCP and metallica had their biggest hits(Under the bridge / Nothing else matters) and grunge and rock were popular. RHCP and Metallica became huge thanx 2 those hits,be4 nobody knew about them(except the rock crowd off course). 2 years be4 I asked a friend 2 bring me the new RHCP(Mother's milk) cd if he went 2 the record store....he replied:Who??? By the time Under the bridge was a hit EVERYONE knew who they were! I guess the follow up 2 Time's up,Staind is the reason the succes didn't last. Even I needed some time 2 appreciate the new album. They even tried 2 achieve the succes of Love rears... with Nothingness but it wasn't a hit. Vivid,Time's up and a few songs from Staind will always be some of my all time fav albums because they were a great band! Love4oneanother | |
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Xagain said: LadyQ said: I understand that this comes down to taste, and I have to admit that I wasn't big on listening to Fishbone records in my spare time, but I have to say if you get the chance, see them live. They put on a helluva show live and you leave them feeling really revved up. Despite the mediocrity I hear some people saying about Fishbone and LC, they still deserved to be in the mainstream. There are plenty of white rock bands that are pretty mediocre if not lame as all getout despite the one little hit they managed to push out, but manage to sell enough to shut up their record companies, so there was no reason we could have the same from a black rock band. The shit is racist, flat out and my feelings and I feel very resentful when I see Justin Timberlake and Joss Stone trying to dominate the black-dominated markets. I get sick of it really because their shit is weak, but they'll walk away with top honors like record of the year, best artist and so on. I'm not on this new age kick about being colorblind or race doesn't matter when I know it does. People just like to pretend that just because you don't speak out about it, it will just go away and if you do speak out about it you're just some whiny black person playing the race card. The only way that black people will have a presence in the rock market is to create their own and to start supporting black rock acts. White people are not going to be enough to do it. If black rock begins selling, then the industry will be forced to take notice which is what happened with hip hop and rap. LQ Supporting a group or singer just because they're black is racist too. If anyone started a thread about how we should support Eminem just because he's white, wouldn't that be branded racist? The "black dominated markets?" Give me a freakin brake. THAT'S racist. So you think black people should buy black music and white people should buy white music, then complain that Living Colour weren't accepted enough by whites? That's contradictory, and also the kind of thinking that allowed white artists of the 40's and 50's to rip off many legendary black song writers and musicians. Excuse me young 'un but in my day, R&B, Soul, Blues, Hip Hop and Rap was called "Black Music" - everybody called it black music, so spare me on the "you must be racist too," shite. And nowhere did I say that black people should only buy black music and white people only white music. I say black people should support more black artists in rock. You're being a troll right here. And what do you mean by "the kind of thinking that allowed white artists of the 40s and 50s to rip off black artists. You're really full of shit here. Black people had no rights back in that era. They didn't "allow" that to happen, they had no choice, so do your homework before you start firing off at the mouth. "If I were on here bitchin about how Charlie Pride was selling country music albums, you guys would blow up."
Apples and oranges here. I haven't heard such blatantley racist comments in a long time. My white friends buy far more albums by black artists than my black friends buy white artists.
So you and your white friends by a lot of black music. That pretty much equates to "I'm not racist, I have black friends." If you look back in the day at many black artists, they had plenty of white fans, white fans who loved their music, but who wouldn't allow them to step a foot in the same hotels they were staying in. Racism is rapant, true. It influences the market, true. But soley blaming white folks for it, and blaming white entertainers for the music they're playing, is ridiculous. Assuming someone is superior because of their race is just as lame as assuming they're inferior because of their race. These days, everyone is to blame for the proliferation of racism, as your comments prove. If this were a thread of white people complaining that a white R&B artist wasn't making it big enough because they weren't black, we'd all be banned.
Wow, you admit that racism is rampant and that it influences the market, but when anyone dares talk about it or their feelings about it, you've been on this board doing nothing but telling them to shut up and keep it to themselves and that it isn't solely the fault of whites. I did not state that it was solely white people's fault, I said that if blacks would come out and get more into rock and punk and so on, then black people would have a chance to make a showing, and I said that I felt "resentful" when I see a large number of white artists coming over into R&B and Hip Hop, I didn't say that I don't like them. I just want the playing field to be fair which you fail to acknowledge, you just want me to shut up and deal with it. Try seeing it from my eyes, you have a black person say they're an artist and walk into a record company and everyone will assume he does either R&B or rap, if a white person walks in they will ask him what type of music he is doing. When black rock singers like Kina and Cree Summer did their albums they got little or no airplay and record companies will not promote them. It's always been like that. It isn't that record companies are trying to keep them out of the market, they don't take them serious at all. I've done rock a long time and I've gotten a lot of open hostility from whites, called the "n" word and so on, and it's been far less hostility than I get from other black people. But times are changing, but they could be better. I think you need to go back and read what I wrote again instead of reading it to fish for fuel for your own agenda and turn out to try to make me out to be the bad guy, you're taking this far too personal. LQ | |
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LadyQ said:[quote] Xagain said: So you and your white friends by a lot of black music. That pretty much equates to "I'm not racist, I have black friends." If you look back in the day at many black artists, they had plenty of white fans, white fans who loved their music, but who wouldn't allow them to step a foot in the same hotels they were staying in. Racism is rapant, true. It influences the market, true. But soley blaming white folks for it, and blaming white entertainers for the music they're playing, is ridiculous. Assuming someone is superior because of their race is just as lame as assuming they're inferior because of their race. These days, everyone is to blame for the proliferation of racism, as your comments prove. If this were a thread of white people complaining that a white R&B artist wasn't making it big enough because they weren't black, we'd all be banned.
Wow, you admit that racism is rampant and that it influences the market, but when anyone dares talk about it or their feelings about it, you've been on this board doing nothing but telling them to shut up and keep it to themselves and that it isn't solely the fault of whites. I did not state that it was solely white people's fault, I said that if blacks would come out and get more into rock and punk and so on, then black people would have a chance to make a showing, and I said that I felt "resentful" when I see a large number of white artists coming over into R&B and Hip Hop, I didn't say that I don't like them. I just want the playing field to be fair which you fail to acknowledge, you just want me to shut up and deal with it. Try seeing it from my eyes, you have a black person say they're an artist and walk into a record company and everyone will assume he does either R&B or rap, if a white person walks in they will ask him what type of music he is doing. When black rock singers like Kina and Cree Summer did their albums they got little or no airplay and record companies will not promote them. It's always been like that. It isn't that record companies are trying to keep them out of the market, they don't take them serious at all. I've done rock a long time and I've gotten a lot of open hostility from whites, called the "n" word and so on, and it's been far less hostility than I get from other black people. But times are changing, but they could be better. I think you need to go back and read what I wrote again instead of reading it to fish for fuel for your own agenda and turn out to try to make me out to be the bad guy, you're taking this far too personal. LQ WOW..interesting | |
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bump for the funk of it. test | |
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Ouch! Lady Q just got down right there. Preach LQ. | |
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Folks on this thread speaking in support of Living Colour should have a org-note from me, but I may have passed over some of ya for different reasons. If you care to, go on hit me up and I'll hook you up. test | |
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Afronomical said: LoveAlive said: my question is WHY. Who cares the color? That's a question that has been asked since Slavery arrived in America. Hell Yeah! Speak on it. | |
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Afronomical said: Xagain said: Ok...I have to ask. Why would they not have been accepted by white audiences? I mean, I'm white and dug a few of their songs, but "Living Colour" wasn't all that. If they had been, white audiences would have had no problem accepting them. They weren't that terribly great. [Edited 5/27/07 12:59pm] Did you REALLY have to ask that? I mean, come on, it's obvious. Agreed. It's a no brainer. | |
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PFunkjazz said: novabrkr said: Let's be honest. Living Colour was never really that good and their music never really stood the test of time - in fact they got probably more exposure than they deserved because of being african-americans and standing out that way. Fishbone might be "better" than The Red Hot Chili Peppers, but did they have a song like "Under The Bridge" or all the countless singalong hits the RHCP have irked our ears with for decades? That's what makes bands "big" in the end.
That's not to say I wouldn't love some Vernon Reid's solo material with his band Masque and especially with Don Byron, but Living Colour always had another foot firmly placed on the "suck" factor. But yes, had they sounded like Metallica and would have had songs as "good" as those of Metallica's they still wouldn't have ended up being the most taped/downloaded band by teenage boys in the history of music, because of the race factor. You're right about that. So at least Living Colour didn't have both feet firmly placed on the suck factor as some of that truly embarrassing shit. We totally disagree on this, so there is no consensus. "Sucking" is your opinion not a fact. I can't warrant how much they may sounded like Metallica since I've never checked them out, but I've always found LC's music the most stimulating and intellectually honest music around. I can't explain the taste of others, but anybody who is down with LC is always cool with me. We might be forgetting that LC got as far as it got by playing the race card. Let's face it: Black Rock Coalition was run by frontman Vernon Reid for the express purpose of getting exposure. A kind of "in-your-face" racism, which I'm totally cool with, except it has a way of turning off people. FWIW, more than half of the contingent I regularly check out LC shows with is only 20 - 30% black. There are plenty of whites and OTHERS in the place.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Modern day rock is primarily white as is its consumers. Its not that LC or Fishbone "sucked" in any way shape or form. The old racist white men signing the checks had no interest in promoting an all black band doing what is considered by the mainstream "primarily white oriented music". They didn't see the risk as financially sound. Its understandable from a financial perspective. They just didn't want to risk the money. Couple that with the fact that an audience prefers to see a reflection of itself makes perfect sense as to why "as bands" the concept didn't go over as well. As SOLO artists, the rules differ but these guys were bands. The only entertaiment industries more outwardly racist than the music biz are the movie industry and the porn industry. The music biz is racist, sexist and ageist and people seem to be just fine with that, unfortunately. None of the major distributors were/are headed by people of color. The only shot-callers are old white men. Despite that, these bands managed to drop some hellacious music and influence SOME and never really had to sell out their art. I'm happy about that although I wish they all could have made a little more money.
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PFunkjazz said: novabrkr said: I always thought "sucking" was a valid scientific term. but then, in that regard, I think of sexual acts. Interesting pespective. Both of your statements are valid. In terms of sucking being scientific, that is a thought when you take in the meausurements(physical change from flacid to hard), durantion( time factor of subject in experiement), and exchange of chemicals( chemical change). | |
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BlaqueKnight said: The same can be said for Living Color. When I first heard Sevendust I thought it was Corey. True. When Sevendust first came out, I thought the same thing until I saw them live. | |
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JesseDezz said: LoveAlive said: I agree 200 percent! Race is still a factor in many aspects of everyday life. That's nothing new. Musicians still gotta play - I'm sure Living Colour and others are more than cognizant of the unfairness of radio/the biz in general (hence Vernon Reid and the Black Rock Coalition) but they're still gonna do what they do. Play. Especially if that's how one makes one's living. *My old band and I played a gig at a club where we were the only persons of color. As we entered, we heard the N-word coming from more than a few lips, but we still had a gig to play. They were still playing the jukebox LOUDLY while we were trying to get a quick soundcheck. Once we plugged in and started playing along to a Bob Seger song that was playing, people started to take notice and actually turned the music off to let us get ourselves set up. The gig went well - we played three sets - and we got paid, packed up and left. When I went back in the club to retrieve something, however, it had again reverted back to Klan Central, so to speak...That whole gig was an entirely uncomfortable situation, but we still had a job to do. The state of popular music has always been unfair toward artists of color, going back to the days of Pat Boone doing wholly sanitized versions of Little Richard songs. So, this f***ed up state of things isn't new at all. Absolutely. It's funny how time repeats itself. And the Pat Boone and Little Richard fiasco is a great prime example. | |
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PFunkjazz said: BlaqueKnight said: The same can be said for Living Color. When I first heard Sevendust I thought it was Corey. Lejon Witherspoon is 7D's vocalist and he makes no bones about being a "Corey Glover acolyte". Great description. | |
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PFunkjazz said: coolcat said:  I was just reading about Bad Brains on this page:http://www.roctober.com/r...punk1.html
I hadn't heard of Bad Brains before. Those black punk bands really had guts playing for those all white audiences. Despite a long layoff, The Brains are still active. An album of new material, Build A Nation 
is due June 26. They've got presences on myspace: http://myspace.com/badbrains and the web: http://www.badbrains.com/  It's good to see that Bad Brains is still doing their thing. Definitely one of the innovators in the games. | |
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Afronomical said: Because there are TONS more white soul singers than black rockers. Especially since rock hasn't been popular in years. Soul is what sells records these days, not R&R.
You need to do much more research before you post on this topic. Absolutely. | |
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Afronomical said: Xagain said: Pop and R&B are pretty much interchangable terms. "Pop" is just more inclusive. Next time I go into a record store I'm gonna go and look for Earth Wind and Fire in the pop section and then look for Britney Spears in the R&B section, since they're "interchangeable".
Or maybe I'll turn on an urban radio station so I can hear Avril Levigne and then turn on a pop station to hear Jaheim. Wrong. Which is exactly why I said you need to do MUCH more research before you comment on the issue of music genres. Exactly. It's astonshing that this individual finds Pop and R&B interchangeable. This person must not be of this planet. | |
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Afronomical said: Xagain said: Oh please. Yeah, Avril Levigne sounds different than Jaheim. True. But these days there's so little difference between people on the radio that most music stores simply sort cds according the color of the singer when they bother to distinguish them at all. Anyone on this thread has said there's a big lack of quality musicians these days, and most of them aren't on the radio at all. You're just grasping at straws. You're not making any sense whatsoever. Seriously, do some real research on this. It's not rocket science: R&B and Pop = 2 different music genres. You're the one depserately grasping at straws here. Their sense of musical genre is skewed and diluted worse than format radio. | |
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PFunkjazz said: Mozorro said: I don't feel sorry for them because of how they fucked up the remake to "17 Days".
Never liked that song...no matter who did it.  | |
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Xagain said: Afronomical said: Funkadelic is highly recognized. But yeah, a black rock group was destined for radio failure on 2 fronts: 1 - Black audiences weren't really feeling them. 2 - White audiences didn't really accept them. Who's left? Ok...I have to ask. Why would they not have been accepted by white audiences? I mean, I'm white and dug a few of their songs, but "Living Colour" wasn't all that. If they had been, white audiences would have had no problem accepting them. They weren't that terribly great. [Edited 5/27/07 12:59pm] Somwhow, that last statement doesnt seem right. | |
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"They weren't that terribly great"
Well neither was Warrant, Danger Danger, and Slaughter but they ruled the world back in 1989 and 90. I'm not a Bon Jovi fan but at least they could write, sing, and play. LC had their MTV crossover moments and did the big Stones/GnR and Anthrax shows but some people were still "scared" of them. Sometimes people (even today) don't want to hear something new or different (that they're not used to). The acid rock side Funkadelic was looked upon as "too strong and too black" for rock radio back then. Some of those songs could have easily been played alongside of "Voodoo Chile" or "Misty Moutain Hop" but radio wasn't trying to hear it.. And black radio pretty much put Funkadelic aside until "One Nation" and "Knee Deep". | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: "They weren't that terribly great"
Well neither was Warrant, Danger Danger, and Slaughter but they ruled the world back in 1989 and 90. I'm not a Bon Jovi fan but at least they could write, sing, and play. LC had their MTV crossover moments and did the big Stones/GnR and Anthrax shows but some people were still "scared" of them. Sometimes people (even today) don't want to hear something new or different (that they're not used to). The acid rock side Funkadelic was looked upon as "too strong and too black" for rock radio back then. Some of those songs could have easily been played alongside of "Voodoo Chile" or "Misty Moutain Hop" but radio wasn't trying to hear it.. And black radio pretty much put Funkadelic aside until "One Nation" and "Knee Deep". Absolutely. Rock Radio wasn't ready for that kind of revolution. | |
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LoveAlive said: ...so I guess they will go down in history as one of the best unrecognized bands ever(ala Funakdelic)...that is so sad and unfair!
Funkadelic is unrecognized?!  Occupy Alphabet Street!
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Here's an interview with Living Colour drummer, Will Calhoun
Friday, July 20, 2007 interview w/ LC by Fanch Thanks to Fanch ! http://www.myspace.com/fanchbigouden 1 – Last year, « The Very Best Of » was out, and lots of people discovered the band and your music. Was it your your main wish ? Will Calhoun : Yes 2 – You will in Europe and in France in July at "Le New Morning". Will we have some new songs on stage, or some new mixes of your old songs ? WC - A combination of both new and old. 3 – A the beginning, you were the first band playing some Rock Fusion. Did you consider that you really invented and created a style of rock music ? WC - No...we were not the first, if you listen to Hendrix, the Isley Brothers, Parliment Funkadelic, the Chambers Brothers, and many more, you will realize we were not the first. Living Colour is influenced by Hip-Hop, Hard Rock, Dub, drum-n-bass and many other forms of electronic music, Afro-Cuban/Latin music- the Blues, Jazz, Harmolodic Jazz, etc. Our style is heavily influenced by the African American Pioneers who created the music for the World- and the music we grew up listening to in our daily lives. 4 – What about "The Black Rock Coalition" ? Could you explain us the role of the association, and your partnership with them ? WC - YOU SHOULD LET VERNON REID ANSWER THIS QUESTION SINCE HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS. 5 – Now, LIVING COLOUR is back. So, what about your own and solo project now Is it stopped ? WC - No we are always working on music....you can visit...www.myspace.com/nativelands or www.willcalhoun.com for my updates. When Living Colour releases a new product the new project will be our main focus, and our side projects will take a back seat. 6 – At last, when will you record a brand new album, and when will it be out, please ? We began full time writing/working on new music in Aug. 2007. We started on a few ideas during the Spring. We are not certain when the product will be released and how, the music industry has changed; we are looking into the best possibilities to get our music to people. Thanks them for me. have a nice day. Take care. Fanch http://blog.myspace.com/i...=289955309 test | |
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I don't know what all the nosense is about. Living Colour did pretty well for themselves. I cetainly remember going to their concerts, seeing them on MTV.
PFunkjazz said: Here's an interview with Living Colour drummer, Will Calhoun
Friday, July 20, 2007 interview w/ LC by Fanch Thanks to Fanch ! http://www.myspace.com/fanchbigouden 1 – Last year, « The Very Best Of » was out, and lots of people discovered the band and your music. Was it your your main wish ? Will Calhoun : Yes 2 – You will in Europe and in France in July at "Le New Morning". Will we have some new songs on stage, or some new mixes of your old songs ? WC - A combination of both new and old. 3 – A the beginning, you were the first band playing some Rock Fusion. Did you consider that you really invented and created a style of rock music ? WC - No...we were not the first, if you listen to Hendrix, the Isley Brothers, Parliment Funkadelic, the Chambers Brothers, and many more, you will realize we were not the first. Living Colour is influenced by Hip-Hop, Hard Rock, Dub, drum-n-bass and many other forms of electronic music, Afro-Cuban/Latin music- the Blues, Jazz, Harmolodic Jazz, etc. Our style is heavily influenced by the African American Pioneers who created the music for the World- and the music we grew up listening to in our daily lives. 4 – What about "The Black Rock Coalition" ? Could you explain us the role of the association, and your partnership with them ? WC - YOU SHOULD LET VERNON REID ANSWER THIS QUESTION SINCE HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS. 5 – Now, LIVING COLOUR is back. So, what about your own and solo project now Is it stopped ? WC - No we are always working on music....you can visit...www.myspace.com/nativelands or www.willcalhoun.com for my updates. When Living Colour releases a new product the new project will be our main focus, and our side projects will take a back seat. 6 – At last, when will you record a brand new album, and when will it be out, please ? We began full time writing/working on new music in Aug. 2007. We started on a few ideas during the Spring. We are not certain when the product will be released and how, the music industry has changed; we are looking into the best possibilities to get our music to people. Thanks them for me. have a nice day. Take care. Fanch http://blog.myspace.com/i...=289955309 | |
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laurarichardson said: I don't know what all the nonsense is about. Living Colour did pretty well for themselves. I certainly remember going to their concerts, seeing them on MTV.
Yes, don't worry about Living Colour. Those fellas are gonna be just fine. I can't wait to hear what they come up with for the new LP. If any of you guys are blog readers check out my blog, Spider Wisdom (link in my sig). I had a post about Living Colour just the other day. 
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PFunkjazz said: Here's an interview with Living Colour drummer, Will Calhoun
Friday, July 20, 2007 interview w/ LC by Fanch Thanks to Fanch ! http://www.myspace.com/fanchbigouden 1 – Last year, « The Very Best Of » was out, and lots of people discovered the band and your music. Was it your your main wish ? Will Calhoun : Yes 2 – You will in Europe and in France in July at "Le New Morning". Will we have some new songs on stage, or some new mixes of your old songs ? WC - A combination of both new and old. 3 – A the beginning, you were the first band playing some Rock Fusion. Did you consider that you really invented and created a style of rock music ? WC - No...we were not the first, if you listen to Hendrix, the Isley Brothers, Parliment Funkadelic, the Chambers Brothers, and many more, you will realize we were not the first. Living Colour is influenced by Hip-Hop, Hard Rock, Dub, drum-n-bass and many other forms of electronic music, Afro-Cuban/Latin music- the Blues, Jazz, Harmolodic Jazz, etc. Our style is heavily influenced by the African American Pioneers who created the music for the World- and the music we grew up listening to in our daily lives. 4 – What about "The Black Rock Coalition" ? Could you explain us the role of the association, and your partnership with them ? WC - YOU SHOULD LET VERNON REID ANSWER THIS QUESTION SINCE HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS. 5 – Now, LIVING COLOUR is back. So, what about your own and solo project now Is it stopped ? WC - No we are always working on music....you can visit...www.myspace.com/nativelands or www.willcalhoun.com for my updates. When Living Colour releases a new product the new project will be our main focus, and our side projects will take a back seat. 6 – At last, when will you record a brand new album, and when will it be out, please ? We began full time writing/working on new music in Aug. 2007. We started on a few ideas during the Spring. We are not certain when the product will be released and how, the music industry has changed; we are looking into the best possibilities to get our music to people. Thanks them for me. have a nice day. Take care. Fanch http://blog.myspace.com/i...=289955309  | |
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