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PrintableGraycap23 said: Who in their right mind wants a 74 year old man producing his/her cd?
Harsh,but true  I love Quincy,but his days as a super-producer are over.He can't even get his own album finished! He's been working on a new CD for the last five years or so.At one point,he was planning to have Snoop and Dre appear on it  He also wanted Janet and Justin to appear on another song (!) but this was before Nipplegate,lol.As you can see,he's having tremendous problems getting it finished.He's 74 and not nearly as active as he used to be.For the most part,he is retired from the music business. | |
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Take the article with a grain of salt, Its simply Not True, Mj already has a choosen a producer and his Name is Will.I.am , he is the main Producer. MICHAEL JACKSON
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Graycap23 said: Who in their right mind wants a 74 year old man producing his/her cd?
If I had to pick a producer for me album, either Timbaland or a tone-deaf, senile 74 year old with poor eyesight and hearing... I'd pick the 74 year old It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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Michael can create good music on his own, but I think the ideal candidates would be Jam and Lewis as they never completed a whole album together. Janet made the mistake of straying from a winning formula, perhaps Michael can reclaim that old sound yet keep it fresh with Jam and Lewis.
Either way I'm not sure if I'm prepared to listen to someone who looks like the child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: krayzie said:
First of all Stevie Wonder is not Michael Jackson.
The fact you still believe that a 50 year old Michael Jackson (who screwed up his face and definitely lost his mind) can still come back is jockable. And stop living in the past, even Prince struggles to release a good album. He cannot dance like he used to, he cannot sing like he used to, he cannot perfom like he used to, he's uglier than ever and he's old. The great michael jackson is behind us. Michael Jackson' s comeback will damage his legacy. [Edited 5/28/07 13:47pm] Um... you're wrong Actually Michael's Vocal Range is better than his younger years. He's a complete 4 Octaves now just like Prince LOL, did you see him sing in 2001, he couldn't hit the high notes no more. Since the Dangerous era, it has been clear that he has lost his fucking voice. Probably because of all those nasal surgeries. He damaged his vocals forever. Michael Jackson had an amazing voice. And could sing like no other. Now he sounds terrible. EmbattledWarrior said: His dancing, is not as good because... well he's old... what do you expect? but he still can dance better than the majority of his imitators He's too old to compete with the young fellas. The moonwalk is old, everything is old. He can move he used to. He lacks energy. The 30th anniversary was terrible. Do you remember The way you make me feel performance. It was an embarassment.
EmbattledWarrior said: He's ugly, so what? If 50 cents ugly ass can sell records so can Michael... Michael Jackson is scary, 50 cent looks like an average black man. 50 cent never had plastic surgery. Everytime Mike releases a new album, he looked uglier and scarier. People don't want to see his face. EmbattledWarrior said: All mike has gotta do is workout and get a six pack and people would stop looking at his face and look at his washboard stomach *fuck i think i just vomited in my mouth saying that, sadly its true though* A good record will always be a good record And michael jackson will always be michael jackson so a good record plus Michael Jackson will always be successful The question is whether he can churn it out... All mike has gotta do is RETIRING. History was a flop, Blood on the dance floor was a flop, Invicible was a flop. He lost his mind, his touch. Another album would damage his legacy even more. EmbattledWarrior said: I'm first to say that a good portion of invincible was shit... but the fact that it was shit, didn't have anything to do with it flopping... we ALL know it was the promotion... Sony and michael originally planned to release 7 singles and videos to accompany them, it didn't happen, Michael's music videos and singles happen to sell his records... hahahah, lol at more promotion. That's why so many people think MJ fans are crazy, they still think Michael Jackson could sell a lot CDs with promotion. History was promoted like no other and IT FLOPPED. People get tired of him. And He can't shoot videos no more because he looks like shit. EmbattledWarrior said: If michael can release at least 5 singles and videos to help promote this next album i guarantee the album will be a success even if it is shitty... [Edited 5/28/07 15:08pm] HAHAHAHA You talk like if we were still in the 80's. Wake up MJ fans. Michael Jackson's prime is LONG time gone. [Edited 5/30/07 10:42am] |
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FuNkeNsteiN said: Graycap23 said: Who in their right mind wants a 74 year old man producing his/her cd?
If I had to pick a producer for me album, either Timbaland or a tone-deaf, senile 74 year old with poor eyesight and hearing... I'd pick the 74 year old Timbaland is 2 production as 50 cent is 2 acting. | |
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History was a flop, Blood on the dance floor was a flop
 compared to what? | |
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History didn't flop. The numbers don't really matter however, there was some great cuts on there. | |
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history is the largest selling double cd in the world, so whats up with the flop talk, he can put out five more cd's, and they can, ''as you say flop'' but he will still be the biggest selling artist in the annals of music....some of you folks need to play some of prince flop cd's, such as the last one, the one before that, and the one....wait you know what, honest talk, the general public, exclude prince fans, can't name a prince album after 1999, or purple rain.....ohh disagree put the test to people who are not fans of prince, and see what you get.....well whats your point studentofmusic???? at sometime in a career, that is long as 20, or more years, everything you make will not be a sure hit, because sometimes the best songs,or albums, are the ones people consider to be flops.....some of you guys needs to stop speaking with an asinine tongue..... | |
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damn Quincy sounds like he just don't want to be bothered. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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krayzie said:[quote] EmbattledWarrior said: hahahah, lol at more promotion. That's why so many people think MJ fans are crazy, they still think Michael Jackson could sell a lot CDs with promotion. History was promoted like no other and IT FLOPPED. People get tired of him. And He can't shoot videos no more because he looks like shit. EmbattledWarrior said: If michael can release at least 5 singles and videos to help promote this next album i guarantee the album will be a success even if it is shitty... [Edited 5/28/07 15:08pm] HAHAHAHA You talk like if we were still in the 80's. Wake up MJ fans. Michael Jackson's prime is LONG time gone. [Edited 5/30/07 10:42am] This whole post deserves a
Krayzie, look at the stats: Invincible's promotion was nearly nonexistant
and the album still sold over 5 million worldwide. HIStory had 3 US Top 10 singles(Pop and R&B) and 6 UK top 10 singles and sold 18 million copies. BOTDF was a damn halfassed remix album and still sold 6 million copies
The dude has been in the game since the sixties so he knows something about longevity. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: krayzie said: HAHAHAHA You talk like if we were still in the 80's. Wake up MJ fans. Michael Jackson's prime is LONG time gone. [Edited 5/30/07 10:42am] This whole post deserves a
Krayzie, look at the stats: Invincible's promotion was nearly nonexistant
and the album still sold over 5 million worldwide. HIStory had 3 US Top 10 singles(Pop and R&B) and 6 UK top 10 singles and sold 18 million copies. BOTDF was a damn halfassed remix album and still sold 6 million copies
The dude has been in the game since the sixties so he knows something about longevity. That's what i've been trying to say, He can spit out another half ass CD and i betcha it'll go platinum in a week I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: bboy87 said: This whole post deserves a
Krayzie, look at the stats: Invincible's promotion was nearly nonexistant
and the album still sold over 5 million worldwide. HIStory had 3 US Top 10 singles(Pop and R&B) and 6 UK top 10 singles and sold 18 million copies. BOTDF was a damn halfassed remix album and still sold 6 million copies
The dude has been in the game since the sixties so he knows something about longevity. That's what i've been trying to say, He can spit out another half ass CD and i betcha it'll go platinum in a week Does that mean the cd is any GOOD? | |
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Graycap23 said: EmbattledWarrior said: That's what i've been trying to say, He can spit out another half ass CD and i betcha it'll go platinum in a week Does that mean the cd is any GOOD? Hence i said Half Assed I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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krayzie said:[quote] EmbattledWarrior said: hahahah, lol at more promotion. That's why so many people think MJ fans are crazy, they still think Michael Jackson could sell a lot CDs with promotion. History was promoted like no other and IT FLOPPED. People get tired of him. And He can't shoot videos no more because he looks like shit. EmbattledWarrior said: If michael can release at least 5 singles and videos to help promote this next album i guarantee the album will be a success even if it is shitty... [Edited 5/28/07 15:08pm] HAHAHAHA You talk like if we were still in the 80's. Wake up MJ fans. Michael Jackson's prime is LONG time gone. [Edited 5/30/07 10:42am] the gold experience and emancipation sold poorly they where released in the same year as history and even together they dont reach the 18 mil mark the rainbow children didnt quite reach the 8 mil mark did they and for musicology and 3121 they where like his best selling efforts in like over a decade. when do you call an album a flop anyway , if it doenst sell more then thriller? or as much as bad/dangerous ? when is a prince album a flop or any other artists album a flop. i dont concider them a flop ( HIStory blood on the dancefloor and invincible) | |
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whatsgoingon said: Harlepolis said: You know there are some white people out there that truely believe Michael Jackson invented the Moonwalk.  Well before Motown 25 I saw boys doing the Moonwalk, but they call it the back slide as oppose the Moonwalk. The only thing about Michael's move was it was more sleeker and graceful than the norm. The best thing about Michael Jackson as a dancer, especially when he was younger was that he was such a graceful dancer. But then I started to go off Michael as a dancer when he became all Bob Fosse in his routines. Give me the 18 year old MJ any day with his "On the Wall" routine from the Jacksons variety shows.Wow. I remember when Michael first did the Billie Jean at the Motown 25 performance and cheered when he did the moonwalk. Kids in my neighborhood (a lil town called New York City) had been doing it since at *least* 1979. The exciting thing about Michael is that you never saw a famous person actually have some connection to the street. I didn't think at the time that Michael even KNEW what popping, locking, and breakdancing were. Jeffery Daniels? Who know he was SO bad? I always thought of him at the *other* guy in Shalimar; years later, I saw him on Soul Train reruns and realized that there's more to him that meets the eye. Both great dancers. No need to compare. Only Michael needs to get different moves--he's been dancing the same way for years.  
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krayzie
you seriously need to do some research before polluting the org with rubbish and Misinformation, your hatred for Mj has no boundaries its obvious from your posts , but at least if you want to talk about him then get your facts striaght. History ,BOTDF, Invincible Never flopped History is the best selling double album of all time , selling over 18 million copies which means 36 million Cds. BOTDF is the best selling remix album of all time selling over 4 million copies. Invinicble sold over 8 million copies worldwide with a zero promotion.... sales don't matter,But those albums sold cause they are good but you proved to me that you have zero credibilty when you said they flopped, and one more thing, try to put the silly things like the appearance of artists aside and appreciate the music because if you didn't you will miss alot. [Edited 5/31/07 8:00am] MICHAEL JACKSON
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Alasseon said: whatsgoingon said: You know there are some white people out there that truely believe Michael Jackson invented the Moonwalk. Well before Motown 25 I saw boys doing the Moonwalk, but they call it the back slide as oppose the Moonwalk. The only thing about Michael's move was it was more sleeker and graceful than the norm. The best thing about Michael Jackson as a dancer, especially when he was younger was that he was such a graceful dancer. But then I started to go off Michael as a dancer when he became all Bob Fosse in his routines. Give me the 18 year old MJ any day with his "On the Wall" routine from the Jacksons variety shows.Wow. I remember when Michael first did the Billie Jean at the Motown 25 performance and cheered when he did the moonwalk. Kids in my neighborhood (a lil town called New York City) had been doing it since at *least* 1979. The exciting thing about Michael is that you never saw a famous person actually have some connection to the street. I didn't think at the time that Michael even KNEW what popping, locking, and breakdancing were.Jeffery Daniels? Who know he was SO bad? I always thought of him at the *other* guy in Shalimar; years later, I saw him on Soul Train reruns and realized that there's more to him that meets the eye. Both great dancers. No need to compare. Only Michael needs to get different moves--he's been dancing the same way for years. Up until Thriller I would say Michael always knew what was going on with the street, whether it was the robot, popping etc. The below clip proves that. It's a comedy piece but even down to the custumes it shows that The Jacksons knew what was happening on the street; http://www.youtube.com/wa...D6TaLJJmcs You have to ignore DomDeluis and Tito, just watch Michael and Marlon. [Edited 5/31/07 11:27am] [Edited 5/31/07 11:28am] | |
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seeingvoices12 said: krayzie
you seriously need to do some research before polluting the org with rubbish and Misinformation, your hatred for Mj has no boundaries its obvious from your posts , but at least if you want to talk about him then get your facts striaght. History ,BOTDF, Invincible Never flopped History is the best selling double album of all time , selling over 18 million copies which means 36 million Cds. BOTDF is the best selling remix album of all time selling over 4 million copies. Invinicble sold over 8 million copies worldwide with a zero promotion.... sales don't matter,But those albums sold cause they are good but you proved to me that you have zero credibilty when you said they flopped, and one more thing, try to put the silly things like the appearance of artists aside and appreciate the music because if you didn't you will miss alot. [Edited 5/31/07 8:00am] |
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Harlepolis said: dag said: I don´t know, but it seems to me that MJ gives credit to ppl. For example, he could have easily taken credit for Moonwalk and he always says that he learned it from some kid. Jeffrey Daniel might have something to say about that: http://www.youtube.com/wa...uPnSceu7Ug Jeffrey Daniel was the first person I saw moonwalking when he was a regular dancer on Soul Train; not saying someone back in the REALLY old days didn't do it before him, but it wasn't MJ. MJ probably got it directly from watchng Soul Train and took it as his own. I've always wondered what Jeffrey Daniel thought of that. Never trust anything spoken in the presence of an erection.
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NewPowerSista said: Harlepolis said: Jeffrey Daniel was the first person I saw moonwalking when he was a regular dancer on Soul Train; not saying someone back in the REALLY old days didn't do it before him, but it wasn't MJ. MJ probably got it directly from watchng Soul Train and took it as his own. I've always wondered what Jeffrey Daniel thought of that. Im sorry but i know cats n the ghetto doing the moonwalk waaaaay before jeffrey daniels and MJ WAAAAAYYYY before I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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whatsgoingon said: Alasseon said: Wow. I remember when Michael first did the Billie Jean at the Motown 25 performance and cheered when he did the moonwalk. Kids in my neighborhood (a lil town called New York City) had been doing it since at *least* 1979. The exciting thing about Michael is that you never saw a famous person actually have some connection to the street. I didn't think at the time that Michael even KNEW what popping, locking, and breakdancing were.Jeffery Daniels? Who know he was SO bad? I always thought of him at the *other* guy in Shalimar; years later, I saw him on Soul Train reruns and realized that there's more to him that meets the eye. Both great dancers. No need to compare. Only Michael needs to get different moves--he's been dancing the same way for years. Up until Thriller I would say Michael always knew what was going on with the street, whether it was the robot, popping etc. The below clip proves that. It's a comedy piece but even down to the custumes it shows that The Jacksons knew what was happening on the street; http://www.youtube.com/wa...D6TaLJJmcs You have to ignore DomDeluis and Tito, just watch Michael and Marlon. [Edited 5/31/07 11:27am] [Edited 5/31/07 11:28am] Damn, that was nice...  The old Michael. The Jacksons.
Unfortunately, all we'll remember Michael for is the eccentricities, but underneath all the bizarre nonsense of the late 80's to the present, Michael was genuinely a star. He had the magic.
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EmbattledWarrior said: bboy87 said: This whole post deserves a
Krayzie, look at the stats: Invincible's promotion was nearly nonexistant
and the album still sold over 5 million worldwide. HIStory had 3 US Top 10 singles(Pop and R&B) and 6 UK top 10 singles and sold 18 million copies. BOTDF was a damn halfassed remix album and still sold 6 million copies
The dude has been in the game since the sixties so he knows something about longevity. That's what i've been trying to say, He can spit out another half ass CD and i betcha it'll go platinum in a week LOL In 2001, it was clear for everybody that MJ definitly lost his touch. By 2002, sales and interest in Invicible declined rapidly. That's why Mottola stopped promoting that shit. With his ugly face Michael couldn't even make hot videos no more. Invincible was a HUGE flop. $30 million spent to make that shit is ridiculous. 2x platinum is what an average RnB or hip hop artist could sell with far LESS promotion and money at that time. |
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krayzie said: EmbattledWarrior said: That's what i've been trying to say, He can spit out another half ass CD and i betcha it'll go platinum in a week LOL In 2001, it was clear for everybody that MJ definitly lost his touch. By 2002, sales and interest in Invicible declined rapidly. That's why Mottola stopped promoting that shit. With his ugly face Michael couldn't even make hot videos no more. Invincible was a HUGE flop. $30 million spent to make that shit is ridiculous. 2x platinum is what an average RnB or hip hop artist could sell with far LESS promotion and money at that time. Matolla fucked up the album from the beginning specifically so MJhad to forfeit his half of the ATV catalogue luckily Invincible broke even... and made just enough money at the end of the year to cover expenses. you really need to stop talking out your ass, Sony forced Mattolla to quit because they knew what went down from the get go... Mattolla may not have been a racist but he did undermine everything MJ wanted for the album... Invincible's success had nothing to do with MJ It was Mattolla's doing... MJ wanted Unbreakable to be the first single... Mattolla undermined him and made You Rock My World the first single promotion stopped after three months of stone cold selling... they fucked up the followed with cry...a half ass video was made... When songs like Butterflies got played without even being a single... MJ's videos and singles usually make his albums sell more You Are Not Alone was the main reason History sold so well in the beginning, but sony fucked it up after waiting so long to release another single... Im first to admit invincible was a shit album but it sold worldwide in 3 months 5 million... with only 2 real singles and 1 video to me that's fucking amazing... if Mj would've released Butterflies, Whatever Happens, break of dawn and the other semi competent songs on invincible, Invincible would've sold extremely well cause you can have a shitty album and make it sell just by having competent singles and videos... I play tracks like Whatever Happens to people, and they love it and they all wonder why they never heard of it... Invincible was sabotaged... it was a shitty album, sure but thats not why it didn't sell krayzie you have your own agenda, stop shitting where you eat iight mayne you a cool dude you're bigger than that I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: krayzie said: LOL In 2001, it was clear for everybody that MJ definitly lost his touch. By 2002, sales and interest in Invicible declined rapidly. That's why Mottola stopped promoting that shit. With his ugly face Michael couldn't even make hot videos no more. Invincible was a HUGE flop. $30 million spent to make that shit is ridiculous. 2x platinum is what an average RnB or hip hop artist could sell with far LESS promotion and money at that time. Matolla fucked up the album from the beginning specifically so MJhad to forfeit his half of the ATV catalogue luckily Invincible broke even... and made just enough money at the end of the year to cover expenses. you really need to stop talking out your ass, Sony forced Mattolla to quit because they knew what went down from the get go... Mattolla may not have been a racist but he did undermine everything MJ wanted for the album... Invincible's success had nothing to do with MJ It was Mattolla's doing... MJ wanted Unbreakable to be the first single... Mattolla undermined him and made You Rock My World the first single promotion stopped after three months of stone cold selling... they fucked up the followed with cry...a half ass video was made... When songs like Butterflies got played without even being a single... MJ's videos and singles usually make his albums sell more You Are Not Alone was the main reason History sold so well in the beginning, but sony fucked it up after waiting so long to release another single... Im first to admit invincible was a shit album but it sold worldwide in 3 months 5 million... with only 2 real singles and 1 video to me that's fucking amazing... if Mj would've released Butterflies, Whatever Happens, break of dawn and the other semi competent songs on invincible, Invincible would've sold extremely well cause you can have a shitty album and make it sell just by having competent singles and videos... I play tracks like Whatever Happens to people, and they love it and they all wonder why they never heard of it... Invincible was sabotaged... it was a shitty album, sure but thats not why it didn't sell krayzie you have your own agenda, stop shitting where you eat iight mayne you a cool dude you're bigger than that
This is exactly what I was saying. You are the typical MJ fan who still believes that MJ is an amazing looking guy who can still make amazing videos with his good looking face like back in the 80's...
History with 7 videos made, a world tour, and the biggest promotion ever, MJ only sold 7 million copies in US (3,5 million sets). History proved to anybody that MJ couldn't sell no more EVEN with massing promotion, hype and a lot of videos. What MJ did with Invincible (only 2x platinum) is what an average RnB singer like Ginuwine could perform with far less notoriety, money and promotion in 2001. You rock my world video was overhyped everywhere, and don't ven talk about ....
People don't want to see his scary ugly face... The game is over.
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^^
Are you suggesting that he should stop making music because he doesnt sell 30mill copies anymore? Personally I dont care if it sells or not as long as it is good. IMO he only made one average album and hey I think it is allowed in a 30+ years career
And what is your obsession with his US sales when it should be worldwide sales we should be talking about. In that case he only has has one flop, like I said which is allowed. Wow, everyone expects too much of this MJ. | |
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