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PrintableI think my post may have been misread. I never said that artists shouldn't invest money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I said "I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds". The problem is hustlers worming their way through the music business. 50's no dummy. He knew how he came into the business and quickly realized his shortcomings. The music business will separate the bullshitters really quickly once the heat is on. He's been a one-trick pony from day one. Beef. He came rapping about hustling and beefing with other artists and that's what made him popular. He once said he didn't get into it for the music, he got into it for the business. His own words. Dude's a fraud and I'd be a hypocrite to call him a real artist when he himself doesn't think along those same lines. Merchants have helped wreck the music business. I'll be glad when it collapses so people can start over and musicians can retake creative control. Right now, its a bunch of lawyers, accountants and merchants making the major label music decisions. | |
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BlaqueKnight said....so people can start over and musicians can retake creative control. Right now, its a bunch of lawyers, accountants and merchants making the major label music decisions
I agree, and at least 50 didn't lie about why he got into it. He made out good, but you are right, it will be nice to see real musicians and artists take back creative control of the music industry. [Edited 5/26/07 18:44pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Just what we need. Another undercover businessman in the music industry, churning out shit music in order to get the money to do "other things". These jackasses don't care about music because they don't have any talent. They aren't artists. You have Puffy - clothier. Jay-Z - clothier, ball team owner. Nelly - ball team owner, clothier, energy drink distributor. Lil Jon - energy drink distributor. And of course 50 - clothier, vitamin water distributor. I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds but none of these fools make great records. Jay-Z included. 50 has NEVER talked about his music in interviews. Its always his profits. That's how you separate an artist from a fake. An artist will always talk about MUSIC. He's just another businessman using the music industry. Other rappers use it to wash their drug money. Who suffers? The public. There are too many merchants and not enough music.
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BlaqueKnight said: I think my post may have been misread. I never said that artists shouldn't invest money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I said "I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds". The problem is hustlers worming their way through the music business. 50's no dummy. He knew how he came into the business and quickly realized his shortcomings. The music business will separate the bullshitters really quickly once the heat is on. He's been a one-trick pony from day one. Beef. He came rapping about hustling and beefing with other artists and that's what made him popular. He once said he didn't get into it for the music, he got into it for the business. His own words. Dude's a fraud and I'd be a hypocrite to call him a real artist when he himself doesn't think along those same lines. Merchants have helped wreck the music business. I'll be glad when it collapses so people can start over and musicians can retake creative control. Right now, its a bunch of lawyers, accountants and merchants making the major label music decisions.
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BlaqueKnight said: I think my post may have been misread. I never said that artists shouldn't invest money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I said "I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds". The problem is hustlers worming their way through the music business. 50's no dummy. He knew how he came into the business and quickly realized his shortcomings. The music business will separate the bullshitters really quickly once the heat is on. He's been a one-trick pony from day one. Beef. He came rapping about hustling and beefing with other artists and that's what made him popular. He once said he didn't get into it for the music, he got into it for the business. His own words. Dude's a fraud and I'd be a hypocrite to call him a real artist when he himself doesn't think along those same lines. Merchants have helped wreck the music business. I'll be glad when it collapses so people can start over and musicians can retake creative control. Right now, its a bunch of lawyers, accountants and merchants making the major label music decisions.
And to add further insult to injury, Curtis Jackson was NEVER, EVER shot 9 times as he report it in his debut Rolling Stone interview from 5 years ago OR his past interview conducted by Davey D. According to the police report (NYPD), 50 Cent was shot only 3 times!: http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html May 16, 2007. When rapper 50 Cent first hit the national scene, he shocked fans with claims that he survived being shot 9 times. But in now looks like 50 Cent may have stretched the truth when he described the fateful event. In a MediaTakeOut.com exclusive, we got our hands on the official police report issued on the shooting. And according to the report, the Queens rapper was shot only 3 times (see below report). http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html Unfortunately, that's not what 50's been telling everyone. In an interview with hip hop journalist Davey D, done in 2003, 50 was quoted as saying the following: Davey D: DID YOU REALLY GET SHOT 8 TIMES 50 Cent: 9 times on May 24, 2000 I got shot… I was in the hospital for like 13 days...and it sounds crazy... it hurted more to not know what I was gonna do with myself AFTER being shot.. like when I called Columbia Records and they didn’t know what to do And the gunshot distortion is repeated on 50 Cent's official web page. Here's how Interscope Records describes the shooting incident in 50's bio: "In April of '00, 50 was shot 9 times, including a .9mm bullet to the face, in front of his grandmothers house in Queens. " SIDENOTE: This is one more reason why I could never be a fan of 50 Cent OR his music. This dude lies too much and everyone is quick to believe in his bull! [Edited 5/26/07 18:44pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: BlaqueKnight said: I think my post may have been misread. I never said that artists shouldn't invest money elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I said "I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds". The problem is hustlers worming their way through the music business. 50's no dummy. He knew how he came into the business and quickly realized his shortcomings. The music business will separate the bullshitters really quickly once the heat is on. He's been a one-trick pony from day one. Beef. He came rapping about hustling and beefing with other artists and that's what made him popular. He once said he didn't get into it for the music, he got into it for the business. His own words. Dude's a fraud and I'd be a hypocrite to call him a real artist when he himself doesn't think along those same lines. Merchants have helped wreck the music business. I'll be glad when it collapses so people can start over and musicians can retake creative control. Right now, its a bunch of lawyers, accountants and merchants making the major label music decisions.
And to add further insult to injury, Curtis Jackson was NEVER, EVER shot 9 times as he report it in his debut Rolling Stone interview from 5 years ago OR his past interview conducted by Davey D. According to the police report (NYPD), 50 Cent was shot only 3 times!: http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html May 16, 2007. When rapper 50 Cent first hit the national scene, he shocked fans with claims that he survived being shot 9 times. But in now looks like 50 Cent may have stretched the truth when he described the fateful event. In a MediaTakeOut.com exclusive, we got our hands on the official police report issued on the shooting. And according to the report, the Queens rapper was shot only 3 times (see below report). http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html Unfortunately, that's not what 50's been telling everyone. In an interview with hip hop journalist Davey D, done in 2003, 50 was quoted as saying the following: Davey D: DID YOU REALLY GET SHOT 8 TIMES 50 Cent: 9 times on May 24, 2000 I got shot… I was in the hospital for like 13 days...and it sounds crazy... it hurted more to not know what I was gonna do with myself AFTER being shot.. like when I called Columbia Records and they didn’t know what to do And the gunshot distortion is repeated on 50 Cent's official web page. Here's how Interscope Records describes the shooting incident in 50's bio: "In April of '00, 50 was shot 9 times, including a .9mm bullet to the face, in front of his grandmothers house in Queens. " SIDENOTE: This is one more reason why I could never be a fan of 50 Cent OR his music. This dude lies too much and everyone is quick to believe in his bull! [Edited 5/26/07 18:44pm] Tony, I'm not a fan of 50 Cent, and no disrespect, but it's kind of hard for me to believe anything the NYPD says, because they have a history of lying about situations like this. Maybe he was shot at 9 times but only got hit with 3 of the bullets...hey, I'm just saying..  you just can't tell who is telling the truth...who knows....but despite all that....dude still "got paid."$$$$...ch-ching![Edited 5/26/07 18:54pm] | |
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If you think 50 cent will re-invest that money in his community you are smoking some good Bob Marley joints! This goes back to the feud between NBA stars Lebron James and Stephon Marbury, the feud came about when Stephon told Lebron that he should be making a sneaker that "kids" could actually afford instead of putting his name on a brand that sells for 200 dollars a pair and most families cant afford that. So stephon had his own brand made, and was selling them for like 15-20 bucks, same shit, but no phony-ass "Im for the communtiy" bullshit. It kills me that 50 cent and others trashed Oprah and yet i have never seen 50 give back shit to his so called community, OH wait thats because he lives up in the hamptons, protected from the community he preaches to be from! "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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2elijah said: TonyVanDam said: And to add further insult to injury, Curtis Jackson was NEVER, EVER shot 9 times as he report it in his debut Rolling Stone interview from 5 years ago OR his past interview conducted by Davey D. According to the police report (NYPD), 50 Cent was shot only 3 times!: http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html May 16, 2007. When rapper 50 Cent first hit the national scene, he shocked fans with claims that he survived being shot 9 times. But in now looks like 50 Cent may have stretched the truth when he described the fateful event. In a MediaTakeOut.com exclusive, we got our hands on the official police report issued on the shooting. And according to the report, the Queens rapper was shot only 3 times (see below report). http://mediatakeout.com/5...times.html Unfortunately, that's not what 50's been telling everyone. In an interview with hip hop journalist Davey D, done in 2003, 50 was quoted as saying the following: Davey D: DID YOU REALLY GET SHOT 8 TIMES 50 Cent: 9 times on May 24, 2000 I got shot… I was in the hospital for like 13 days...and it sounds crazy... it hurted more to not know what I was gonna do with myself AFTER being shot.. like when I called Columbia Records and they didn’t know what to do And the gunshot distortion is repeated on 50 Cent's official web page. Here's how Interscope Records describes the shooting incident in 50's bio: "In April of '00, 50 was shot 9 times, including a .9mm bullet to the face, in front of his grandmothers house in Queens. " SIDENOTE: This is one more reason why I could never be a fan of 50 Cent OR his music. This dude lies too much and everyone is quick to believe in his bull! [Edited 5/26/07 18:44pm] Tony, I'm not a fan of 50 Cent, and no disrespect, but it's kind of hard for me to believe anything the NYPD says, because they have a history of lying about situations like this. Maybe he was shot at 9 times but only got hit with 3 of the bullets...hey, I'm just saying.. you just can't tell who is telling the truth...who knows....but despite all that....dude still "got paid."$$$$...ch-ching!
[Edited 5/26/07 18:54pm] Now THAT would be a lot easier to believe!  Because if I was the bad guy, and I were to shoot anyone 9 times with the same gun, that person ain't getting up at all!  | |
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lastdecember said: If you think 50 cent will re-invest that money in his community you are smoking some good Bob Marley joints! This goes back to the feud between NBA stars Lebron James and Stephon Marbury, the feud came about when Stephon told Lebron that he should be making a sneaker that "kids" could actually afford instead of putting his name on a brand that sells for 200 dollars a pair and most families cant afford that. So stephon had his own brand made, and was selling them for like 15-20 bucks, same shit, but no phony-ass "Im for the communtiy" bullshit. It kills me that 50 cent and others trashed Oprah and yet i have never seen 50 give back shit to his so called community, OH wait thats because he lives up in the hamptons, protected from the community he preaches to be from!
The comment I made about 50 stating "it would be nice if, and that is a big "if" 50 cent gave back to his community" was nothing written in stone, key phrase being "it would be nice" is just an opinion. I'm sure there are many that buy his stuff will probably wonder the same, but don't expect it to happen, because like Tony said, at least he didn't lie about what his interests were, fake artist or not, apparently it was all about "business" and he's going "straight to the bank" with it. Only 50 will know what he will do with that money despite any of our opinions, and we don't need to be smoking anything to state how we feel about it... , but like I said, I have no hate for the brotha regardless, 'cause it's not my money and I never bought any of his stuff....so again, he got paid and that's good for him.   ..goes to show you...money talks and BS walks! ...ch-ching!$$$[Edited 5/27/07 12:08pm] | |
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lastdecember said: If you think 50 cent will re-invest that money in his community you are smoking some good Bob Marley joints! This goes back to the feud between NBA stars Lebron James and Stephon Marbury, the feud came about when Stephon told Lebron that he should be making a sneaker that "kids" could actually afford instead of putting his name on a brand that sells for 200 dollars a pair and most families cant afford that. So stephon had his own brand made, and was selling them for like 15-20 bucks, same shit, but no phony-ass "Im for the communtiy" bullshit. It kills me that 50 cent and others trashed Oprah and yet i have never seen 50 give back shit to his so called community, OH wait thats because he lives up in the hamptons, protected from the community he preaches to be from!
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TonyVanDam said: 2elijah said: Tony, I'm not a fan of 50 Cent, and no disrespect, but it's kind of hard for me to believe anything the NYPD says, because they have a history of lying about situations like this. Maybe he was shot at 9 times but only got hit with 3 of the bullets...hey, I'm just saying.. you just can't tell who is telling the truth...who knows....but despite all that....dude still "got paid."$$$$...ch-ching!
[Edited 5/26/07 18:54pm] Now THAT would be a lot easier to believe! Because if I was the bad guy, and I were to shoot anyone 9 times with the same gun, that person ain't getting up at all! How about that...he wouldn't of sold enough records if he told the story that way.... saying he got shot 9 times makes his story more fascinating and could sell more records, well according to the record companies it does anyway...what can I say, it's a sick world.[Edited 5/26/07 20:18pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: lastdecember said: If you think 50 cent will re-invest that money in his community you are smoking some good Bob Marley joints! This goes back to the feud between NBA stars Lebron James and Stephon Marbury, the feud came about when Stephon told Lebron that he should be making a sneaker that "kids" could actually afford instead of putting his name on a brand that sells for 200 dollars a pair and most families cant afford that. So stephon had his own brand made, and was selling them for like 15-20 bucks, same shit, but no phony-ass "Im for the communtiy" bullshit. It kills me that 50 cent and others trashed Oprah and yet i have never seen 50 give back shit to his so called community, OH wait thats because he lives up in the hamptons, protected from the community he preaches to be from!
Exactly. 50 was never true to the game. Did you see when The Game broke into his estate and was playing basketball on the securite section and broke the court? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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ABeautifulOne said: Vitamin Water is so nasty...
U take that back!! Vitamin Water is fucking delicious  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: TonyVanDam said: Exactly. 50 was never true to the game. Did you see when The Game broke into his estate and was playing basketball on the securite section and broke the court? Never seen the footage. BTW, is The Game still feuding with Young Buck? | |
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I don't know...gotta check AllHipHop. The footage is from The Game's DVD from last year. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ABeautifulOne said: Vitamin Water is so nasty...
U take that back!! Vitamin Water is fucking delicious No the purple one was nasty as hell. I thought it was the grape flavor everybody was raving about but it was some tropical punch stuff. It had a funny after taste... | |
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I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do. Make Afros not War   | |
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Afronomical said: I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do.
Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. | |
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TonyVanDam said: BlaqueKnight said: Just what we need. Another undercover businessman in the music industry, churning out shit music in order to get the money to do "other things". These jackasses don't care about music because they don't have any talent. They aren't artists. You have Puffy - clothier. Jay-Z - clothier, ball team owner. Nelly - ball team owner, clothier, energy drink distributor. Lil Jon - energy drink distributor. And of course 50 - clothier, vitamin water distributor. I see nothing wrong people diversifying their funds but none of these fools make great records. Jay-Z included. 50 has NEVER talked about his music in interviews. Its always his profits. That's how you separate an artist from a fake. An artist will always talk about MUSIC. He's just another businessman using the music industry. Other rappers use it to wash their drug money. Who suffers? The public. There are too many merchants and not enough music.
[Edited 5/26/07 8:15am] Within the next 5 years, Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson might end up being the next Mark Cuban. Face it, that was his personal goal all along to be finacially bigger than anyone else from mainstream hip-hop and it looks like it's working. At this point, I don't think he wants G-Unit anymore. [Edited 5/26/07 12:12pm] ----- Who the fuck cares? I can only hope he takes his profit and leaves the music industry for good. He is a drug dealing piece of scum and I am sure his investment came from drug profits. | |
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laurarichardson said: TonyVanDam said: Within the next 5 years, Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson might end up being the next Mark Cuban. Face it, that was his personal goal all along to be finacially bigger than anyone else from mainstream hip-hop and it looks like it's working. At this point, I don't think he wants G-Unit anymore. [Edited 5/26/07 12:12pm] ----- Who the fuck cares? I can only hope he takes his profit and leaves the music industry for good. He is a drug dealing piece of scum and I am sure his investment came from drug profits. You just answer your own question. My only concern now is that a lot of children (in the hoods, suburbs, where ever) will finally be "convince" that drug dealing is worth it after all. Keep in mind that it was Curtis' drug money that started the basics of his growning business empire in the first place.....long before he ever thought about teaching himself how to rap. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Afronomical said: I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do.
Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. Right, so you have to look at in 2 ways: 1 - Music fan that doesn't like his music 2 - A person that can respect his business savvy That's all it really is. I separate the 2 because I have no problem with entrepreneurs doing their thing in a legal manner. But then you have to ask yourself which came first? The business corporations turning music into what it is or music courting corporations? They all go hand in hand. Next time go to a concert and see how many alcohol/beverage companies are responsible for even bringing you the show? The artists and corporations are all in bed whether we like it or not. I respect the fact that he got something out of the "game of the music industry" instead of ending up like Hammer and some other artists. Make Afros not War | |
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Afronomical said: Right, so you have to look at in 2 ways: 1 - Music fan that doesn't like his music 2 - A person that can respect his business savvy That's all it really is. To you, maybe. No, YOU have to look at it two ways. If you choose only to see it in those ways, those are YOUR choices. In truth, its a lot more complex than that. You can't define how others view things or offer a couple of choices and force every opinion into either box. That's shortsighted. Afronomical said: I separate the 2 because I have no problem with entrepreneurs doing their thing in a legal manner. But then you have to ask yourself which came first? The business corporations turning music into what it is or music courting corporations? They all go hand in hand. Next time go to a concert and see how many alcohol/beverage companies are responsible for even bringing you the show? The artists and corporations are all in bed whether we like it or not.
I don't have to ask myself questions I already know the answer to. You can't just smear the lines and call it all the same. That's lying. Merchants haven't always been that deep into the music game. Just like NBA players didn't used to get huge endorsement contracts that surpassed their salaries. It was a peaceful co-existence until the takeovers started in the early 90s when the industry almost bottomed out. I've spoken on this many times before. Afronomical said: I respect the fact that he got something out of the "game of the music industry" instead of ending up like Hammer and some other artists.
Why? You MUST be a fan. I don't respect that he "got something out of the game" because he's put nothing in. Mindless, petty JUNK. Another street story that we've all already heard told and told much better. All I've heard from him is silly squabbles with other artists and drama to distract from the lack of substance or talent in his music. Why should anyone other than his fam and friends be happy for him? Tell ya what, YOU go be "happy for him" and I'll go Laura's route and hope that his newfound wealth coupled with the future failure of "Curtis" will show him a quick exit out of the business and on to other things. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Afronomical said: I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do.
Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. Pretty much summed up my thoughts on the situation.The big picture perspective hits the NAIL on the head. N I C E | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Afronomical said: I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do.
Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. Your posts sum up my feelings in a nutshell. As a musician and music lover it pains me to see the tragedy that the music industry has become. It deeply pains and saddens me that an industry that is supposed to promote one of the great arts has morphed into nothing more than a stepping stone for hustlers, wanna-be actors, and other talent-lacking fame/celebrity seekers. It's just not about the music anymore. Like BK said in an earlier post, you hear these so-called artists in interviews and all they talk about is business, money, projects - movies, clothing lines, etc. They hardly ever talk about the thing that is supposed to be their craft - music! No one is against anyone making some coins, but this is ridiculous. Back in the day, when people like Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder did interviews it was all about music and life and things that meant something more than money and material things. You marveled at their genius, creativity, and what inspired them. Prince is one of the few remaining folks who still actually talks about music. The execs are to blame as well. They only care about building a money-making brand, and music is just another marketing tool for them. They invest little money into actually discovering, developing and promoting truly talented acts. Instead, they grab any chiseled-abed karaoke singer off the street, from the mall or wherever and "craft" them into a product. Then mass market it like a new toy. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a talented artist/musician anymore. Quality artistry doesn't even enter the equation. It's all about being a smart businessman on both ends - the company and the "artist." They may both win in the profit department, but at the end of the day it is the true music lover who loses. Looking at the majority of mainstream music out there today, I know I've certainly lost. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week.
20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. Take them church! | |
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bellanoche said: BlaqueKnight said: Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. Your posts sum up my feelings in a nutshell. As a musician and music lover it pains me to see the tragedy that the music industry has become. It deeply pains and saddens me that an industry that is supposed to promote one of the great arts has morphed into nothing more than a stepping stone for hustlers, wanna-be actors, and other talent-lacking fame/celebrity seekers. It's just not about the music anymore. Like BK said in an earlier post, you hear these so-called artists in interviews and all they talk about is business, money, projects - movies, clothing lines, etc. They hardly ever talk about the thing that is supposed to be their craft - music! No one is against anyone making some coins, but this is ridiculous. Back in the day, when people like Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder did interviews it was all about music and life and things that meant something more than money and material things. You marveled at their genius, creativity, and what inspired them. Prince is one of the few remaining folks who still actually talks about music. The execs are to blame as well. They only care about building a money-making brand, and music is just another marketing tool for them. They invest little money into actually discovering, developing and promoting truly talented acts. Instead, they grab any chiseled-abed karaoke singer off the street, from the mall or wherever and "craft" them into a product. Then mass market it like a new toy. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a talented artist/musician anymore. Quality artistry doesn't even enter the equation. It's all about being a smart businessman on both ends - the company and the "artist." They may both win in the profit department, but at the end of the day it is the true music lover who loses. Looking at the majority of mainstream music out there today, I know I've certainly lost. YES !!! | |
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prettymansson said: bellanoche said: Your posts sum up my feelings in a nutshell. As a musician and music lover it pains me to see the tragedy that the music industry has become. It deeply pains and saddens me that an industry that is supposed to promote one of the great arts has morphed into nothing more than a stepping stone for hustlers, wanna-be actors, and other talent-lacking fame/celebrity seekers. It's just not about the music anymore. Like BK said in an earlier post, you hear these so-called artists in interviews and all they talk about is business, money, projects - movies, clothing lines, etc. They hardly ever talk about the thing that is supposed to be their craft - music! No one is against anyone making some coins, but this is ridiculous. Back in the day, when people like Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder did interviews it was all about music and life and things that meant something more than money and material things. You marveled at their genius, creativity, and what inspired them. Prince is one of the few remaining folks who still actually talks about music. The execs are to blame as well. They only care about building a money-making brand, and music is just another marketing tool for them. They invest little money into actually discovering, developing and promoting truly talented acts. Instead, they grab any chiseled-abed karaoke singer off the street, from the mall or wherever and "craft" them into a product. Then mass market it like a new toy. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a talented artist/musician anymore. Quality artistry doesn't even enter the equation. It's all about being a smart businessman on both ends - the company and the "artist." They may both win in the profit department, but at the end of the day it is the true music lover who loses. Looking at the majority of mainstream music out there today, I know I've certainly lost. YES !!! I have to say you both made some excellent points. Where is the creativity in the music industry today? It's there but "real artists and musicians" are not being promoted like they should be. I agree that most of these rap artists songs won't be remembered down the road. Especially the songs with degrading lyrics. I'm not angry at 50 for making his millions, but like BK said, he was in it for business and took the lazy road. Some may disagree and say what's wrong with that. There's a whole lot wrong with that--it gives the younger generation the wrong message, that hard work does not pay off, or why go to college for an education in business/entrepreneurship, when they could take the easy and criminal way like 50 and make millions?. There's a lot that do remember 50 standing on the corners doing his "bizness" before he became a rapper, so that is the reason I brought up giving back and uplifting the neighborhoods he sold, and fed drugs to--that's what he did, which means he very much played a part in the destruction of a community plagued by drugs at that time--and sold to his own people as well. It was some of their money that made him weatlthy, and even wealthier when he became a rapper. It's unfortunate that the music industry does not promote real talent like they used to back in the day, but instead will promote a rapper that talks about degrading women, brag about his magic stick, getting shot, and having a criminal history and call that talent. So-called talent that won't be remembered 10 years down the road. [Edited 5/28/07 16:45pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Afronomical said: I read BK's post and I guess from a fan point of view it would irk some folk, but I have absolutely no problem with him doing what every person of every race is doing - Going for his. I can't knock the hustle. I can't hate on a brotha that's turned the game out and is now reaping the benefits, regardless of if his music is trash. And I'm no way a fan of Fitty, I'm far from a G-rap fan, but cats like him, Jay-Z, Diddy, and Nelly are just pimping the game and guess what, that's exactly what they're supposed to do.
Its this misguided notion that has the music business on the verge of collapse. Pimping the business is exactly what you're NOT supposed to do but every so-called "hustler" and his brotha are getting in the game doing the same shit in different ways. This music business is a place of business for MUSICIANS. ARTISTS. If you're not a music fan then its understandable that you wouldn't care or even condone what these merchants do. Most people seem to be taking the lazy way out these days. They don't care about the music they make. That's why their catalogs ain't worth SHIT. No resale value whatsoever. Nobody would use anything 50 has done other than "In Da Club" years from now. Maybe "Straight To The Bank" will make it onto a soundtrack somewhere one day but that's about it. His music is garbage, like most of the pop-hop at the top of the charts. Its disposable. Great songs stand the test of time and lot of artists are writing filler material and using marketing tricks to sell the music while they milk advertisers and other companies for the "spoils". That shit is dragging the music business down. Everybody's hustling instead of creating great songs that people will value. As it stands, nobody wants to keep most of this bullshit that comes out. Most of it is quick fix music. Look at the top of the charts and you find the lamest 4-bar repeating, 3:20 commercial infused, wack ass BULLSHIT to date; only to be replaced by more of the same the next Tuesday of the next week. 20 songs on a damn CD? Why? Because its FILLER. Kids have the attention spans of gnats from being bombarded with so much advertising that they can't even stand to listen to instrument solos anymore, not that this generation of musicians know how to play any. With no music in the schools they don't know jack about music and are left up to the ad men who flood the radio with jingles to teach them. That ain't gonna happen. The only thing they teach is consumerism, much like the rappers. Let's be honest, rapping isn't nearly as hard has people try to make it out be. That too has been a well planned marketing campaign. As it stands, the business seems to be full of rappers who want to become moguls, rappers who want to wash their drug money, rappers who really want to act, rappers who want to be athletes, and rappers who want to sing but can't. Anytime a rapper who loves hip-hop gets any press, they get called "soft" or "backpack" and get played to the wayside. If these rappers want to be entrepreneurs so badly, why don't they just do it? Don't try to sneak in through "pop-hop", go head-to-head with the boys on Forbes' list. They can't. They're not smart or clever enough and they're too damned lazy. Its all about the easy money. True artists and fans of music love MUSIC so YES it irks MUSIC fans when there's no good MUSIC. It may be fine for casual listeners but its a slap in the face to those of us who actually love music. Dang bro...you on a roll today!  Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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